mike leavitt is actually working pretty seriously on what they would have to do. the disconnect, i do not know if it is good or bad. probably not good, i did not know how bad it is. the disconnect is something close to an all-time high i would say. have a conversation with stuart stevens and then a conversation with mike leavitt. it is just two different worlds. i honestly believe it would not be that the similar period a very different conversation that the one you would have with jack lew it or whoever is thinking through what obama would do in november/december of this year and for six months of next year. i do not think it is impossible. i think maybe it is just the way we will conduct ourselves, which is pick extremely quickly after election day. i do not buy the argument the partisanship is so bad. that will be an unusual situation, what we have not had in a long time. in any case, i think -- it is not going to be a lot of clues about this over the next five weeks, i do not think. >> which is unfortunate. >> congressman gordon. >> the partnership -- partisan

if you have a conversation with stuart stevens, then how they conversation with mike leavitt, to do for. obama's more complicated and i don't have that many private conversations at the top people, but that would not be that the slum under. it's a very different conversation than one you would have a chocolate or whoever is really thinking through what obama would actually do in november, december of this year and in the first six months of next year. so i don't think it's impossible. i think that maybe we have to conduct ourselves, to get about the business of governing. i don't buy the argument that partisanship is so bad you couldn't get democratic votes for republican budget or vice versa. i think there will be a certain momentum to do with programs at the reelected president or newly elected president, given the absence of third-party candidates that will be an unusual situation where we haven't had a longtime, the certain kind of mandate. but in any case, it's not going to be -- were not going to get a lot of clues about this over the next five weeks i don't think. >> which is unf

mike: well, let me say congressman, you look pretty normal to me. two of my very favorite public servants in the world, michael leavitt, a dear, dear friend of mine forre governors together and orrin hatch i think one of the most respectable and truly statesman-like senators in the entire united states senate and both are members of the lds church. nothing in any of their careers over several decades that should give anyone any concern as to whether anyone of the lds church is capable of serving in the church and doing it with integrity and honor. does that help as a great platform if people are worried about mitt romney, to see the people who have served in public offers and there are quite a few of them, who served with honor and distinction, integrity and great competence? >> i think so. i think there's a long list of public servants who are of the lds faith. unfortunately, we also have harry reid, which is sometimes a drag for us. (laughter) >> other than him, i think we have a long list of very honest and men full of integrity. men and women full of integrity. >> mike: we appreciate you very much your joining us from idaho. [applaus [applause] >