it was a way of throwing the election to the house and to president trump. >> how does mike lee factoreastman is pressuring vice president pence and his lawyers on january 4, but also trying to get conservative sinners. mike b is an extreme legal mine -- mike lee is an esteemed legal mine. he is seen as a top legal mine, and because of that, the trump white house believed if he could sign on to the memo, it would have a lot of credibility as they tried to make the case in congress, so january 2, john eastman gives this memo to mike lee, circulated from the white house, and trying to get the republican party to come around to this idea that the certification of the victory can be stopped. >> how did senator mike lee respond to the memo? >> it is fascinating for history, not just as a reporter, because woodward and i found that he tried to find out if eastman's argument had any credibility, and what he is saying is that somehow there are alternate electors, people who want to be electors for trump, not for biden. so lee calls up all these different state republican leaders and legislator

mike lee. >> so the cia veteran will run as an independent as we takes on the two-term republican senator in 2022. he says that lee has quote, lost his way. and the numbers actually back that up a little bit. latest polling show lee's approval rating at just 45%. so does the independent have any hope of turning this red state gray? a state that donald trump won by over 20 points in 2020. no better man to ask than the candidate himself. evan, it's great to see you. thanks for joining us. let's start with the very important question. why are you the man to build this bridge between dissatisfied democrats and frustrated republicans and why are you running to unseat senator lee? >> because utah just needs better leadership and better representation in congress. it's just that simple. look, like the rest of the country, we were facing compounding crisis here. we've got rising healthcare costs. we've got this never ending pandemic. here, we have a historic drought. we've got four fires that are fillin

jackie, mike lee seems to have gone mike lee's brand.point where mike lee was still trying to be a senator from utah. he went all in with trump and the bogus election conspiracies that bill barr discarded and left d.o.j. over. do you see some vulnerability for him in utah? >> yeah, nicole. i think there are some major question marks here depending on just how this race shapes up. he faces a formidable contender opposition in mcmullen who had a successful showing against donald trump and hillary clinton in 2016. whether or not this brand of trumpism sticks going into this election remains to be seen. if democrats do decide to run a strong democrat, it could be a problem for both lee and mcmullen. that being said, i think mike lee like many republicans have not been -- and towed the party line when it comes to dealing with president trump. he hasn't in recent months been trump's outspoken biggest supporter. but he also as you noted has not necessarily been out there admonitioning the former president for his false claims and attempting to

i think washington has turned mike lee's head.ead of working to find common ground and solve problems there, what he does is he spends his time obstructing and dividing americans. dividing utahans, dividing americans, and as a result of that, these crises keep getting worse and wore and utah has very little say in washington about what happens. very small role in trying to resolve them. so what i'm proposing is a part of this campaign that we take what i call the utah way which is our way of leadership. it is a way of leadership that finds common ground even while we stick to principle and solve problems. that's how we do it in utah and washington needs more of that. so i'm running to replace mike lee in the u.s. senate to represent utah and the utah way and to solve problems, not only for our state but especially for us. but in the meantime, have greater influence over the direction of the country so that we can help change these politics and get our country on track. >> are you going to try to get the endorsement of senator mitt

there was a scene where it's an extended scene where mike lee is sitting because he reads this memo from john eastman saying the alternative slates of electors in seven states and lee is going i haven't heard that, i haven't seenthat . that would be major news. at a senator can get anyone on the phone as we know and he sits there for a couple of days and calls all the heads of the legislatures in arizona, wisconsin, pennsylvania and georgia and says alternative electors, no . zero. there's nothing there. and he tries to tell trump personally this and convey that message as has lindsey graham, his supporters. it's kind of like the washington post, when we are working on a story and some editors says the story is there and the recorder from the field sometimes has to come in and say no, it's not there. and sometimes these ideas that editors and presidents have in their head, these things do not exist. and the existence of a stolen election is a total fantasy and you know, we scratched around. we call people. we went out into the night. this is old-time stuff, knocking on doors . making sur

i think one of the striking exchanges came during an exchange of senator mike lee of utah and haugen about facebook's reliance on artificial intelligence in order to get to scale. he showed these advertisements that were targeted toward children, targeted toward kids, and her response was given facebook's overreliance on ai, artificial intelligence, it's very possible, most likely, that no human ever saw those ads before they were approved and before some kid saw it on an iphone somewhere. >> you're absolutely right. i appreciate you mentioning the book. that is right, and it did jump out at me in ms. haugen's testimony when she said at facebook we do things on the largest possible scale. it allows pattern recognition software to do work that you could never afford to pay an army of humans to do. one of those things is, facebook argued, we do it to spike content, make sure we don't put bad ads up you wouldn't want to have around kids, those kinds of things. but haugen said artificial intelligence isn't enough. we as a society are being led to believe that artificial intelligence can

mike lee is under water here. he's unpopular. he's polling at about 45% job approval, and most of that is soft. only a small contingent of utahns are strongly in favor of mike lee and that kind of divisive politics that caters to extremism and doesn't solve any problems for us or the country. unfortunately that will be enough to get him through the republican primary, i think. but again, a majority of utahns would like to make a change and that includes principled republicans, of course it includes democrats and the vast majority of independents as well. and so that's why i'm running as an independent in this cycle because we've got to unite all of us who want to stand for our institutions, that protect liberty and justice for all in america. we've got to unite together, and that's true in utah, but it's also true across the country. we're inviting everyone from disaffected republicans to democrats and independents, to come and join us. >> you are running as an independent candidate, is that because you are not identifying as a r

most of that is soft, only a small contingent of utah ends are strongly in favor of mike lee, and thatdivisive politics that he -- he doesn't solve any problems for us or the country. unfortunately, that will be enough to get him through the republican primary. again, a majority of people in utah would like to see of trains, that includes principled republicans, and the vast majority of independents as well. that's why i'm running as an independent in this cycle, because we have to unite all of us who want to stand for our institutions, protect our liberty and justice is for everyone in america, we have to unite together and that is true here in utah, but it's also true across the country, and so we're inviting everyone from disaffected republicans to democrats and independents to come and join us. >> you are running as an independent candidate is that because you are not identifying as a republican or is that because the republican party won't have you? >> i'm running because this is the kind of leadership that the country needs and it allows me to offer the best of what to utah has t

our next guested is a smart, thoughtful man from great state of utah, senator mike lee.asking you a legal question, we prefer, but let's get politics out of the way, manchin would not be center of political universe had we not just won a 6 single georgia senate race. >> you are right. there is still time he could switch parties if he wanted, i encourage him to do so, there is no reason for him to belong to the party of lawlessness and remain with the party that is belittling him at of turn. now, joe manchin should lead the democratic party. i look forward to embracing him when he joining our caucus. trey: i keep getting hung up on he receive -- represented west virginia. what are the ramifications? >> well, what they see here is a chance to make america's little bit more socialist or a lot more. what they see is if they belittle him and intimidate him enough he will relent. that is not happening, join he has backbone and constituents, we represents good people of west virginia they are understanding this is happening as a result of federal government. it is just printing

not count on one thing: some republicans caring if the united states continues, like utah senator mike leery and overturn the results in individual states: "you might as well make your case to queen elizabeth ii." okay, let's ask her. your majesty, can they present their case to you? >> no one wants to hear it. ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: thank you. thankfully, if you want to see a functioning democracy, just look north, because yesterday, with very little drama, canadians re- elected prime minister justin trudeau. trudeau called the election back in august in the hopes of getting a majority in parliament, which led to a 36- day campaign, as opposed to our 2020 campaign, which started in 2017 and will last until the my pillow guy is strapped to a rocket and fired into the heart of the sun. ( cheers and applause ) i got a thing. you got a thing? do you know what the thing is? and unlike the $14 billion america just poured down the election hole, this campaign cost canada $600 million. and those are canadian dollars, which are more fun to use because none of the mooses on their money

mike lee knows that. mike pence knows that. they're all complacent. the guy that wants to be speaker of the house knows that and wants to talk to trump that day. to what extent are they trying to protect themselves from liability because they knew about it if they weren't in on it. >> yeah, all of them look, you know, suspicious and all of them have information that's got to be given to the january 6th committee. so like right now, we're hearing these fancy terms contempt and executive privilege and the like. the bottom line is to what this is all about is people in congress just want to find out what happened on january 6th. they just want the facts. they want witnesses to come and testify and so they've asked steve bannon, you know, trump's friend and former advisor to testify and bannon is saying no, i'm afraid to go and tell the truth under oath and so congress has now done what -- or this committee in congress has done what any reasonable committee would do, which is to say you got to show up, otherwise we'll vote for criminal contempt and you kn

senator mike lee is one of them. he has 12 new anti-mandate bills.e to fox in 2004, we still had sort of that scrappy field. it had been around for a few years and i felt like you could do anything. i was lucky because i landed right in the middle of an election year. i basically said i will stand on the street corner in boston and talk about the traffic coming in and out of town. i'd not had a history of politics so they took a gamble on me. martha maccallum. fox news. but i would always encourage people to ask for the opportunity that he wants. the worst that can happen if somebody says no. so now i get to sit at the big desk and work with brad. but i never forget where it all began, with saying pick me, i would like to have this opportunity. people like it when you say i want to take on that challenge. so you can focus on what matters most. whether it's ensuring food arrives as fresh as when it departs. being first on the scene, when every second counts. or teaching biology without a lab. we are the leader in 5g. #1 in customer satisfaction. and a

mike lee was advising those.n when he finally realized far too late, i guess, that this was a fraud, that donald trump's efforts were fraudulent, he did nothing about it. he said nothing. he said nothing. in fact, after the january insurrection, january 6th insurrection, he said that trump should be given a mulligan and then at some point thereafter went down to mar-a-lago with lauren and matt gaetz and other far-right persons and raised money. so it's not a good look. this isn't consistent with who we are in utah and we shouldn't have a representative in the senate or anywhere else, you know, looking after our interests who is going to behave that way, and that's why we've announced a campaign to run against him. that's why i'm challenging him. and we invite everyone, republicans, democrats and independents to join us. they can do so at evanmcmullin.com. we have a chance to beat lee. he is vulnerable in utah. he is not popular. i think that's the case because of some of these unfortunate decisions he made that p

john eastman gives this memo to mike lee that circulated from the white house to lee and it is all aboutrying to get the republican party to come around to the idea that the certification of the biden victory can be stopped. it's a fascinating scene for history. as we reported it out, we found out that he tried to figure out if the eastman argument had any credibility and what he is saying in the memo is that somehow out in the states there are alternate electors, people that want to be electors for trump and not for biden. he calls up all these different state republican leaders and legislators, trying to figure out if there are alternate slates of electors because if there are, maybe it should be delayed. there were groups on social media saying they wanted to be alternate electors, but what he found from a legal standpoint was that there were none. there was no such movement inside of state legislatures to recognize other slates of electors. this was a dream for some trump allies out in several states, but it wasn't happening inside of the state legislatures. that is what mattered to

. >> reporter: in a senate commerce subcommittee hearing, utah senator mike lee challenged snapchat executive jennifer stout. his staff created an account for a 15-year-old with no preferences and says what showed up on the aldia p wu shouldn't go to bars alone, notices for video games that are rated for ages 17 and up, and articles about porn stars. >> i am unfamiliar and taken notes about what you have said that your account surfaced. >> reporter: stout joined executives from youtube and tiktok, answering questions about how their apps are looking out for children on issues from privacy to safety. >> he was suffering from dental pain -- >> reporter: senator amy klobuchar shared the story of 19-year-old devin noring of minnesota who died after taking fentanyl laced percocet that he bought on snapchat. >> we have deployed proactive detention measures to get ahead of what the drug dealers are doing. they are constantly evading our tactics. >> i think there's other ways to do this as creating liability when this happens. so maybe that will make you work even faster so we don't lose another kid.

>> mike: we will see, mark zuckerberg, call your office. >> sandra: mike lee had a question senator mikechance to question the whistle-blower yesterday. >> the biggest question i had for the facebook whistle-blower was, are you being truthful? is facebook being truthful? what advertisements they allow to be viewed by children? they don't target ads to children, they said. that focus on drug abuse, eating disorders, or activity for children but yet there is a group called tdp that preapproved or received preapproval from facebook to target ads on each of these issues to kids that were 13-17 years old. something is missing here. that suggests that facebook isn't being truthful or facebook isn't being adequately vigilant about protecting children from potentially harmful content on facebook. >> sandra: i haven't had a chance to read through this statement in its entirety but on the senate hearing, capitol hill today with this whistle-blower, in that statement so far but i can tell, and we can put it on the screen. facebook is saying we don't agree with her, the whistle-blower's character ch

utah senator mike lee said his staff created a snapchatted account for a 15-year-old, and it got wildly inappropriate content in return. minnesota senator amy klobuchar shared a story of a 19-year-old who died after taking fentanyl- laced percocet that he purchased on snapchat. >> we have deployed proactive detection measures to get ahead of what the drug dealers are doing. they are constantly evading our tactics. >> there are other ways to do this is creating liability when this happens, so maybe that will make you work faster so that we don't lose another kid. >>> a bill to make social media companies legally responsible for child expectation on their platforms is one of several the senate is working on right now. >>> court documents show deputies recovered this ammunition from the new mexico film set where alec baldwin accidentally shot and killed cinematographer halyna hutchins. the ammo was found in boxes and if any pack. it is unclear if the bullets were real or dummies. the local sheriff and da plan to release more details tomorrow. in the meantime, several shows, including hbo's

joining us now who watched it play out utah senator mike lee.re do you think it all stands right now? >> i think it's a free for all and chaos. i would add that it's really novel to have a party touting something this slimd down budget version when they are spending only $1.75 trillion. every single cent of this is borrowed. which means in effect every cent of it is going to be printed, which means all of it is going to further inflate the u.s. dollar, further impoverish poor and middle class americans who will find everything they buy more expensive. moreover, this isn't a bill. it is a framework. a framework the president said he needed so he can feel comfortable leaving on his trip to go to scotland and negotiate yet another deal that will make life difficult and more expensive for poor and middle class americans. >> martha: i understand your opposition to it and the reasons that you lay out for that. politically when you look at what is happening right now. there was some suggestion this morning oh, well, if we can just get the infrastructur

. >> reporter: in a senate commerce subcommittee hearing, utah senator mike lee challenged snapchat executive jennifer stout. his staff created an account for a 15-year-old, with no preferences, and says what showed up on the social media app was wildly inappropriate for a child. >> tips on, quote, you should not go to bars alone, notices for videogames rated ages of 17 and up, and articles about stars. >> i'm unfamiliar and have taken notes about what you have said that your account surfaced. >> reporter: stout joined executives from youtube and tiktok, answering questions about how their apps are looking out for children on issues from privacy to safety. >> he was suffering from dental pain. >> reporter: senator amy klobuchar shared the story of devon noren from minnesota, who died after taking fentanyl- laced percocet that he bought on snapchat. >> we have deployed proactive detection measures to get ahead of what the drug dealers are doing. they are constantly evading era tactics. >> there are other ways to do this, creating liability when this happens. maybe that will make you work faste

senator mike lee blames the biden administration for pumping too much money into the economy.nings are already being raised about holiday shortages and huge price increases wednesday. the white house blamed the supply shortages on the pandemic and problems with moving the goods from around the world into the united states. president biden announced a new deal brokered with major companies labor unions and shipping ports. the port of los angeles announced today. >> that is going to be began operating 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. >> this follows an announcement by the port of long beach to do the same. something the white house says should help speed up the process of getting goods off the ships and into stores. the president says mega retailers like target and walmart and companies like fedex and ups have also committed to work overtime to significantly increase the amount of goods they're moving at night. >> these commitments will move markets faster including toys. just in case you're appliances. my kids are. >> and this is an effort by the biden administration. not just to

flight off the lights came on and the captain asked her to able-bodied men to come to the front, mike lee is like alarming. know, we're going to make an emergency landing in denver. they stop with the flight attendant said i'm she said that the flight attendant was punched in the face twice and her nose was broken. so she needed to get up and go to a hospital and the police and it got it on an arrest man. >> american airlines issued this statement. it reads in part, quote, we are outraged by the recourse of what took place on board acts of violence against our team members will not be tolerated. this behavior must stop and aggressive enforcement and prosecution of the law is the best deterrent. the airline added the passenger involved in the altercation will, quote, never be allowed to travel with american airlines in the future. but we will not be satisfied until he has been prosecuted to the full extent of the law effect reports of unruly behavior on airplanes have increased since the start of the pandemic, the faa says 923 incidents have been investigated this year so far. into violati

senator mike lee joining us this morning in dc. we will see you soon.est facebook outage since 2008 causing a global disruption, we will talk about the market impact when we come back and then the cover-up of china on covid-19. the new evidence shows the virus was spreading through wuhan earlier than reported. world health organization member jamie has a thing or two to say about that. he will be here. joining the conversation all morning long joe concha and ryan payne, you're watching mornings with maria live on fox business. ♪ ♪ ♪ [swords clashing] - had enough? - no... arthritis. here. new aspercreme arthritis. full prescription-strength? reduces inflammation? thank the gods. don't thank them too soon. kick pain in the aspercreme. maria: welcome back, rally underway, triple digit move right out of the gate. dow industrials up 160. some facebook services restored, worst outage the site has seen since 2008. the stock is also rebounding a bit after a 5% selloff yesterday. joining me right now center square investment management chief investment strategi

there is no alternative but to e mike lee of. >> laura: i want to get to another issue that caught mysecond wall street bank full control of one of the holdings. underwriting fees on transactions especially ipos and china's expanding capital markets is the driving force for western banks to increase their stakes in their mainland business. michael, the elite courtesy of our own government policies have enriched china for decades. not turning around anytime soon. >> they have been enriched by china in return. if both sides of this equation in the transaction are getting a good deal. it's not the american people, the american workers, and the american companies but to some extent it's went upper management wants to keep labor costs low and production costs low and keep the profit margin as high as possible. whatever it does to american communities does not matter. american banks that financed the transactions with complete disregard for what happens. as long as the numbers look good on the balance sheet. >> laura: michael, great to see you tonight to enter terrific piece, everybody shou

joining me now is it utah senator mike lee who was at today's hearing with the attorney general merrick garland, and senator leahy, it was fascinating to watch this unfold. could garland cite any specific instance or pattern of threats or intimidation against school boards that would necessitate or justify this level of federal engagement? >> not even a single one. he couldn't identify a single threat of violence basically acknowledged that he couldn't. nor could he explain to my satisfaction or that of anyone why is this needed to be a federal investigation. most crimes as you know occur in violation of a state law and most criminal prosecutions occur under state law in state court systems. i asked him to identify with the basis for federal icing this, he couldn't, he wouldn't, he didn't. why? is weaponizing the department of justice were blatantly partisan political purposes. it was distressing, discouraging and wrong. >> laura: here's senator cory booker pressing garlanded to make a connection somehow between parent protests and domestic terror. watch. >> domestic terrorism in the un

host: yesterday's exchange between senator mike lee of utah and the snapchat executive.f you missed it, you can also go to our website, c-span.org, and find the points of interest from that hearing. we are asking parents to dial in and tell us your concerns as well as all others, grandparents, family members. if you are a young adult also, what is your reaction to using social media platforms? what do you think the government should do about it? facebook's nick clegg wrote in usa today an opinion piece on october 12, we agree it is long past time for congress to set fair and clear rules for the internet. here is what he wrote. we have argued for creating a new digital regulatory agency to navigate competing trade-offs in the digital space, much like the federal communications commission overseas telecoms and media. we have proposed ways to reform section 230 of the communications decency act, including requiring platforms to be more transparent about how they remove harmful and illegal content and requiring large companies like facebook to demonstrate they comply with be

in utah mike lee is out of step with that.lf. >> evan, thank you for coming to "the sunday show." this gives me an opportunity to do what i haven't had a chance to do and that is wish you congratulations on your marriage. you are going to be celebrating your fifth month anniversary next week. so evan mcmullin, you've already won in that regard. thank you very, very much for coming to "the sunday show." >>> coming up in our next hour, an election preview. could the outcome of tuesday's elections be an omen of what's to come in 2022? plus, my interview with new jersey governor phil murphy. ready to sound off to the other sunday shows. don't go anywhere. so much after the break. amazon prime members get select meds as low as $1 a month. who knew it could be this easy? your new pharmacy is amazon pharmacy. who knew it could be this easy? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ with chase security features, guidance and convenience, banking feels good. chase. make more of what's yours. want your clothes to smell freshly washed all day without heavy perfumes?

at least two republican senators, wisconsin senator ron johnson and utah senator mike lee, are currentlycking the confirmation of president biden's nominee to be the u.s. attorney in washington, d.c. it's the u.s. attorney's office in washington, d.c., who will be responsible for overseeing hundreds of prosecutions of people who participated in the january 6th attack. that's also the office that would head up the prosecution of steve bannon for criminal contempt of congress if the justice department tries to do that. republican says they're holding up president biden's nominee to be that u.s. attorney because the justice department hasn't responded to a letter of theirs that equates the january 6th attack to the mostly peaceful protests that followed the murder of george floyd last summer. so there can't be a u.s. attorney in washington? in practice it's not like the u.s. attorney's office in washington is empty right now, while papers keep stacking up on the desk. there's somebody in that job in an acting capacity who will continue to perform the duties and responsibilities of that offi

his january 2nd memo to lee expanded into a six-page memo. at gist, how mike pence could pause the process. it also asserted there were dueling slates and offered a scenario where vice president pence opens the ballots and determines on his own which is valid. but eastman acknowledged those alternative slates remained goals not something that was legally tangible. you really need to listen to john, he is a scholar, hear him out trump, listen to john. if you listen to john each in this passage it is clear that john knows there isn't an alternate state of electors. talk about what we understand of trump's exploitation of anybody with a fancy degree. >> i mean, that's something that he holds high, right, pedigree. he's talked about that. we've seen that. i time he talks about someone joining the administration, pedigree is really important to him. but it also means he tries to use it as a way -- as almost a blunchon for other folks. he did with it eastman and pence. "peril" as well as other books, the entire eastman affair reminds us how fragile democracy is, tha

this research and found that two of trump's biggest supporters, senator lindsey graham and senator mike leed these claims in depth and found zero, absolutely zero evidence and this was not somebody who was opposed to trump. these big trump supporters. >> listen, colin powell was, again, as we said a lifelong republican until he said he couldn't be republican anymore considering what the trump administration had done but he was, you know, a type of old school republican with integrity. this isn't the first time he had concerns about someone in power and especially possible racism. am i correct? >> that's correct. when he first was asked to join the bush senior administration, i have in my book the commanders, how powell was very reluctant because bush senior in the run against due caucus 1988, the very famous race baiting willy horton ads, powell was app appalled. found this was unacceptable and so he wouldn't take the initial jobs that were offered. stayed in the army and eventually bush made him chairman of the joint chiefs and powell accepted and they had quite a close relationship but th

. >> i spoke to mike lee who put up a couple ads that were targeted to children. and francis haugan said the way it works in facebook, the way they rely on artificial intelligence to heavily, she said it is more than likely no human at facebook saw those adds before they were surfaced on a phone and a kid was looking at it. that it was all done through artificial intelligence. facebook is rejecting things she is saying and talking about what they have added to their apps. what are they doing to fight misinformation? >> i think the misinformation piece is very, very important. we heard about the a gor -- a gor rhythms. it is in many cases about influencing people. but there is also a very significant national security issue here. we know that they have utilized plat forms for years to push information to undermine the united states around the story. to influence people, to push out leaks of information, and this is a very, very significant concern. i think that organizations need to demonstrate a level of responsibility and as consumers we need to understand this i

through the flight off the lights came on and the captain to able-bodied men to come to the front, mike lee is like alarming. know, we're going to make an emergency landing in denver they stop with the flight attendant said i'm she said that the flight attendant was punched in the face twice and her nose was broken. so she needed to get up and go to a hospital and the got it on an arrest. >> american airlines issued a statement that reads in part, quote, we are outraged by the reports of what took place on board acts of violence against our team makers will not be tolerated. this behavior must stop and aggressive enforcement and prosecution of the law is the best deterrent. the airline added the passenger involved in the altercation will, quote, never be allowed to travel with american airlines in the future. but we will not be satisfied until he has been prosecuted to the full extent of the law. take a look at what's going on in this year. the national weather service posted this video showing a time lapse of plenty of fog and low clouds this morning. >> in the valleys and over lake surfac

we're not getting that out of our current senator in this seat, senator mike lee, who has become a partf this divisive politics that dominate our country, but we have a better way. that's what i'm running to take to washington on behalf of the people of utah. >> okay. i appreciate the thought. i'm sure many of our viewers do. the fact is the republican party remained enthralled of donald trump. you see that in the polling, in republican leaders who expressed criticism or even alarm in the past, like a nick kki haley. is there a realistic challenge to trump as we face 2024? >> it's not naive. it's what we need. if we're not going to do this kind of campaign that seeks to unite people in the face of the kind of division that you're describing, then we're going to see more chaos, more dysfunction, compounding crises that are making our -- that are negatively impacting our quality of life, weakening the republic. we have to do this. by the way, part of the answer is to unite people, to build new political coalitions. that's why i'm running as an independent. this is the only way to win in t

now we have gop senators, ted cruz, mike lee, marsha blackburn, they sent a letter to attorney generalarland okay, you're aiming massive federal firepower at parents allegedly threatening school boards but your son-in-law is the cofounder of this profitable big business panorama. got at least $12 million worth of contracts from at least 22 school districts across the country? what is this toxic agenda they're selling for children? >> so panorama education does quite a few things. in fact the survey that goes out to my children once a year and all students in the state of rhode island is administered by panorama. one of the things they do they create and administer what has become quite intrusive surveys to children. in my state a sixth-grader would take the same one as 12th grader. 11-year-olds are asking intrusive questions about their sexual orientation, gender identity. the terms on these surveys are terms these children are not familiar at all. and then there is also a lot of questions around issues about race and again, and then panorama also peddles quite a bit in, what's loosely

and evan mcmullen challenged mike lee as an independent. aept trump republican. partisans see these moves as naive and insane. proponents see the opportunity for constructive disruption. so let's dig into the data and see who is right. record 62% of americans say there is a need for a third party now, according to gap all. 33% say the two parties are doing an adequate job. and the rise of independent voters the past two decades. as of last month, 41% of americans identify as independent compared to 29% for republicans and democrats alike. you've got to go back to 2004 to find a sustained period where there were fewer independents than republicans or democrats. and not coincidentally, the two parties have only gotten more polarized since that time. so why hasn't a viable third party materialized? well, a big part of the problem is structural. while the constitution does not mention political parties, george washington was our only independent president to date. the u.s. doesn't have a parliamentary system. moreover, state laws make getting o

ted cruz, mike lee, rand paul, and two or three others. the rest are the "r" just the same as the democrats. they've been there too long. they're establishment. they don't care about the american people because they're in their elite little tower. and so we're just sick of it, you know? we're not going to take it anymore. i see a civil war coming. i do. i see civil war coming. >> malcolm, what do you think when you hear her say there is a civil war coming? >> you know, a year ago i was on bill maher's show and i predicted the united states was heading into a multiyear insurgency. within 60 days, we had the insurrection where they tried to overthrow the u.s. government and start a coup d'État. we thought they were going to be chastised. they weren't. the republican party established their solidarity around them, and from that point on, they have quinn up theled down. they are looking at the use of force at some point here. you know, i've seen many you insurgencies, i have trapped terrorists all over the world. what we're looking at here, fi

you have maybe six that are worth their salt, ted cruz, mike lee, rand paul and two or three others. the rest of them are just same as the democrats. they've been there too long. they're establishment. they don't care about the american people because they're in their el let little tower. we're just sick of it, you know. we're not going to take it anymore. i see a civil war coming. i do. i see civil war coming. >> reporter: i see a civil war coming. that's the sort of sentiment that we're hearing from a lot of folks here in des moines from the economy to afghanistan to the border. folks are very upset with the way this country is going right now. they believe donald trump running in 2024 could fix all that. >> gary, it does appear as if any different day you're in a different city. we listen to those sound bites right there and ones in the last hour and it was frightening to many people. is that an anomaly, or are you goating a sense that this is what some people all across the country are thinking. >> reporter: one of the things i asked, do your friends think this way, do your neigh

mentioned my good friend evan mcmullen who founded ram with me and is running for senate against mike leed i are calling coalition campaigning. not coalition government, not running a coalition government with the democrats, but coalition campaigning and teaming up with them to go win races that otherwise would be unwinnable. i think that test in this cycle in the midterms is going to help us determine whether we can do something like that on a bigger scale in 2024. and i'll say this, if donald trump is the nominee of the republican party, i actually do think in 2024, you will see the greatest viability for a third party candidate that we've ever seen in american politics, and so we'll be trying to build the foundation for that if it's needed. >> i thank you for what you've written and for the great thought that you're putting into this. i leave you with another line from the op-ed that the two of you have written. a compact between the center right and the left may seem like an unnatural fit. but in the battle for the soul of the american political system, we cannot retreat to our ideolo

are at herd immunity right now joining us in this legislation senator loomis, senator marshall and mike leeks like dan crenshaw is moving something on the house side. has any democrat expressed they want to join you? >> no. there will be all kinds of different pieces of legislation pushing back on this mandate. but, brian, something else tell america, we do not have an fda approved vaccine being administered in the u.s. the fda played a bait and switch. they approved the kohman naty version of pfizer drug. it's not available in the u.s. even committed it. i sent them a letter three days later what are you doing. extended the emergency use authorization for the pfizer drug vaccine available in the u.s. here more than 30 days later they haven't asked that very simple question if you are saying that the pfizer drug is the same as the komanati why didn't you provide fda approval on that. there is not an fda approved drug, they announced it so they could push through these mandates so people think now these things are fda approved. they are not, and, again, maybe they should be, but the fda isn'

ted cruz, mike lee, rand paul, two or three others. the rest of them are just as same as the democrats. they've been there too long. they're establishment. they don't care about the american people because they're in their elite little tower. so we're just sick of it, you know? and we're not going to take it anymore. i see a civil war coming. i do. i see civil war coming. >> hmm. all right. joining us now to start the hour, "washington post" national reporter and co-author of "i alone can fix it," carol leonnig. and ian bassett, the executive director of protect democracy. carol, we'll start with you. donald trump, as you well know, he's held several rallies since the capitol insurrection but the one this weekend in iowa was different, i think, because of who was there lending their support. this one was attended by long time iowa senator chuck grassley, the iowa governor kim reynolds was there, there were members of the republican congressional delegation, otherwise mainstream republican officials, some of the very same people who jus

of the monuments, which we should note that are in utah, he did get pushback from mitt romney and mike lee but they were polite about their disagreement over the steps you just took a few moments ago. >> the event has ended. this is the second event after which the president did not take any questions. we know he often takes a few questions. not today. this is also the day that we got those disappointing jobs numbers. 194,000 jobs were added in september, far fewer than economists projected. unemployment rate now at 4.8%. second straight month of disappointing numbers for the administration. how is the white house reacting, kaitlan? >> well the president is choosing to focus on that second number there, the unemployment rate falling below 5%. of course the first time since he's been in office that it has been below that but also the bigger question about what it looks like in the wake of the pandemic and what this american recovery is looking like. and the numbers are obviously a r road block and the 194,000 jobs added to the economy, that is tough for any president to sell and it was toug