honig, joyce vance and mike lupica. i'll begin with you. you've tried many cases and been around many cases. have you ever seen live leaks of interview negotiations on a call-in show. >> no, i've never seen anything like it. i think what's happening is there's a chess game getting under way. rudy giuliani is making these demands on conditions for an interview that are really just outrageous. he wants written questions. i've done hundreds of witness interviews. i've never once submitted a written question. it defeats the whole purpose. you need to size the person up. you don't just want their lawyer to turn out some lawyerly response. certain areas are out of bounds. >> well, in a lot of cases there's what's called interrogatories which are the kind of low stakes written question thing that nobody considers as serious as a real interview. >> exactly, they're formalities. it's no substitute for sitting across from someone and sizing them up. >> and i believe, mike lupica, if you could work on a lyric about interrogatories, you have one minute

. >> mike lupica, you draw a line from lebron's work as sort of a reluctant warrior for social justice billy jean king, arthur ashe. talk about the place lebron is carving out at this moment of complete vacuum of leadership in washington. lebron seems to be filling an important place in the conversation. >> nicolle, i think this guy is in the process of leading a great american life. and he's going to build it out of his own experience in akron , ohio. and i think he's going to be a world figure the way arthur ashe was, the way billy jean king -- ali did not start out wanting to change the world. he didn't want to be drafted. he didn't want to be in vietnam. over his life he became an important figure in the area of social justice. lebron is only 33 years old. think how far he can go with this. and, again, as kimberly was saying, you look at this, both sides of this debate. he can't just say that he's angry at what lebron james said. he has to imply that he's stupid. it's like when meryl streep took out after him. not only did he not like that, she was a bad actress, too. he ascribes a