that was mike martin of kings college one. as well with me here in the studio is our middle east unless shawnee was on is so shiny. we're now into the cease fires has begun. it's supposed to go on for 4 days . at least that's the plans right now. it could be extended, we understand, but uh, what are you expecting to happen when the sparren's? well, 1st of all depends on when it ends. i mean, if this going to last only for, for days going to be much easier for is really, i guess, forces the military to re gain momentum to go back. they still have some parts of the northern part of the street. they, they say that they still need to, and it was clear out from, from terrace, what they say to tours, a tourism from us. and then we will see them trying desperately to go into the southern part of the street with the main goal. is eunice, this is where her muscles is strong hold is where lots of the leaders are coming from. that will happen if this only last for 4 days. good chances though, this won't last only for 4 days. you've alrea

that was mike martin of kings college london here in germany. there's also hope that the hostages who hold german citizenship will be among those released many of the people could buy him us our dual citizens, including members of one family from keyboards very, whose house was burned during the october 7th terrorist attacks. a relative told, dw, the 11 family members were taken hostage that de 8 are still believed held hostage in gaza. for those are german citizens, including 2 small children, among the families hoping to be be reunited with our loved ones or some with roots . going back to the nazi era here in germany, 11 members of the show home of the door, a family were killed or kidnapped by him. us the youngest, 3 years old. you wrote navy and 3 year old. yeah. hell. siblings snatched by how most terrorist, the whole family ripped apart. know they may just be coming home for grandfather the lot, the beginning of the end of a living nightmare. and i goes to hug them, use them. and they also, they and probably they would be most be done in

mike martin is a former british army officer and senior fellow in the department of war studies at kings college london. mike, the id f says hundreds of homeless fighters are beneath the chief of hospital in a command and control center. in layman's terms, that's an awfully harry situation. how do they route those fighters out while minimizing their own casualties? so come on and control sensor is a slightly strange ton for minutes in group because that's not how they operate. they open rates and cells, but let's say that there is a grouping of how much that i'm in, in very simple in blunt tons. these writing, these can use an asteroid, who missed all strikes, to take out. that is how much flights is, but of course then they have to put them of legality in weighing up the inevitable civilian casualties that will be caused by such a strike. they're all things that they could use um, obviously encouraging civilians to leave the sides and then they can use things like special forces, right? or even the cycled s p v. the little drive ends with the videos that can fly in and then explode. jus

of civilian so israel is actually traps between achieving its goals, unclosing too many civilian casualties, which will lose its international supports. that was like martin from the king's college london. mike, we appreciate all of your insights. thank you so much. thank you. a u. s. secretary of state anthony blinkin is meeting with arab leaders in jordan's capital amman. he said to join assignment with foreign ministers from the region later to discuss the situation and gone some ahead of those talks blinking met with his guitar, a counterpart mohammed bin of the rock mon autonomy. he also sat down with lebanon's caretaker prime minister and james, the cottage air of leaders have been calling for an immediate cease fire and gaza to allow humanitarian aid to be delivered. o israel says if foiled an attack from lab and on on friday is really military, is that a terrorist cell was destroyed after they attempted to launch anti tank missiles into israel? the latest attack from lebanon comes after the leader of the militant has the law group. praise be october, 7th from aust. hair attacks on israel is 1st statement since the attacks us on this are all out stop short of thing has blog would full

on the little they have in order to help the rapidly growing number of one that mike martin is a worst that a senior fellow at king's college london and earlier he told us under what circumstances an ambulance con boy could become a legitimate military target. it's so ordinarily under the laws of war, things like hospitals, ambulances, you know, other medical facilities, protected. and so then not to come under attack, of course, if those a medical facilities are used for military purposes, they lose that protection. so what you see in this argument between how often is about to head over exactly what happens. both of them law states in that case, as low as well as we've seen already in this conflict is very, very difficult to determine exactly what has happened and it will probably take a few days of forensic analysis of footage and the like to determine if it's all possible, what exactly is happening to and now we're also hearing that gaza city is besieged and israel says it's entered the 3rd phase of the war. what do we know about the urban warfare that's under way there now? so over the last week or so, israel h

now we can also talk to mike martin, he's a former british army officer and senior fellow in the department of course, studies at kings, colleagues, london, mike negotiating us lease fire agreements and hostage release. deal between warring parties is obviously complicated. how do these kinds of talks normally proceed? i super complicated. i mean you need 3 things really. both sides obviously need to want to come to a deal. and this taken actually some time with this particular deals that both sides to one to be in that place. you need an intermediary it into a key to who's trusted enough by both sides to conduct that diplomacy. initially shuttling between the 2 sides, i think not highlights the importance of cuts out of here. and then of course, you need once the deals going through, you need someone. so want you to make sure that the, the terms verified. so as you say, it's very complicated to get those 3 conditions in place from a military point of view, how complex is an exchange of hostages and prisoners which this deal for st. it's again, very complicated and you know, you just said in your package the, the, the

mike martin, senior fellow at kings college london, no doubt will continue to see more of you. many facts. thank you for the german foreign minister has met with palestinian leaders in the west back. and elaina bare bach will also hold talks with her is really counterpart the like cohen in tel aviv later this evening. the trip comes on the heels of a meeting with golf state leaders, including the united arab emirates, saudi arabia and capital bear buck discuss efforts to free german hostages being held by moss, as well as the humanitarian crisis in gaza. is what she said after the talks to him in all my life. naturally in my law, he pushed back we spoke, 1st of all about the terrible situation in gaza. indulged on the a journalist in this news now, you know, as journalists know, how deeply moving on, how concerning this, as for the german government. but once again, i'd like to emphasize here in my life that no one here in europe can be left closed by the terrible images we've been seeing. 9 in the last few weeks, i'm see small children covered in blood funds from under the rub

mike martin is a former british army officer and senior fellow in the department of war studies, a king's college land, and asked him if the hosting agreement has been successful so far. i think it has been a very successful deal. i think the truth is with these sorts of operations is that each time it's, it's the rates. so the how much with these people and then these res, release people, it builds up a very low level of operational task. the sorts of deals kind of happening can work . and so that obviously we'll build on some of the, some of the successes that we've seen. but at the same time, it's very easy to have an accident or perhaps a spoiler to break these deals of parts and say it and everything needs to be wash very carefully planned, very costly, lots of communication between the sides. so it's very early, but so far so good. uh, i mean they're based on what you just said. well, any of the sites want to jeopardize the situation right now? no, i don't think they will box the sides and not commotion as well. these ladies side is much more how much in this and then then how much.

i spoke to mike martin and for british office, army officer and senior fellow with the department of worst studies in kings college, london. i asked him about how difficult it is to arrange such deals. i see for complicated, i mean you need 3 things really like sides. obviously need to want to come to a deal and is taken actually some time with this particular deals that both sides the one to be in that price. you need an intermediary, it into a key to who's trusted enough by both sides to conduct that diplomacy. initially, shuttling between the 2 sides, i think not highlights the importance of cuts out of here. and then of course, you need once the deals going through, you need someone. so want you to make sure that the, the terms verified. so as you say, it's very complicated to get those 3 conditions in place from a military point of view. how complex is an exchange of hostages and prisoners which this deal for st. again, very complicated and you know, you just said in your package the, the, the deals been delayed. the concerns the i would have would be around spoilers to the deal. so you've arranged th