let me do a mike mccurry impersonation. i was working for usa today covering clinton, and in the morning my phone would ring and it would be joe lockhart, and he would yell at me about stories that i had done, that other reporters had done, stories i have not yet read. in usa today. and the first time i got this call, are would think, mike, are you asking for a --? no, he was just yelling. the third time this happened, i thought i know it's happening. so, you're talking to clinton in the morning, and he's saying that usa today, this story, and then mike would then say to joe, call susan, and then joe would come back and say i gave her and he would go to clinton and say we really told them off. is that correct? >> 100% correct. i got a few of those calls, at cnn. i like those calls. the key element, i always had my -- deputy joe lockhart, went on to be secretary i had him make the call so i could be, we'll be friends forever. >> i have a similar story. one day i get a phone call from scott mcclellan, then deputy press secret