in the preliminary stages each test has their own conduct you are, mike mcdonnell, north america had the capsule, the first stage of the test conductor, at then at some point they merge to the cvts -- or nasa test director. then i would report to nasa test director. and the unique position was that even through all this time, i did have the ability to stop the count if i saw something wrong, but i couldn't make it go again, because then somebody else had to make that decision. so that was that was the basic concept that we had. early in the game one time, abny, john glenn's wife, asked me can you guarantee me a safe return of john? and aunts usstronauts used to b to our houses. i told annie, annie, anybody who would guarantee that is a liar, because there are so many unknowns that nobody can really guarantee a safe return. i said the only guarantee i can give you is that at the time when i say it is go, there is nothing that i know that could be detrimental to a safe return. beyond that, i cannot give you any other guarantee, because what happens after that we do not know. there was