amy: mike mcginn?> my proton primaries come and primaries you put the candidate you love and in the general, you pick between who you think you like better. that is kind of the way the process works. then you have to take that energy and try to get that next person to win a primary, and come out of it. you want to get the people you love and the positions they can win. that takes a lot of work between elections. i reflect back on the gore-bush race. many people were skeptical of gore that he was too tied to the establishment. remember back then, how a comfortable it was to defend him against an attack from the left from nader that he was too tied to the big-money and status quo for looking -- doing things. i look back at the iraq war and climate, and i think out or could have benefited us as compared to bush. that would be my fear here. i believe the clinton has some convictions that we could benefit from. i think trump has some convictions that scare thet of . amy: what advice do you have for hillary

david: here to weigh in former mayor mike mcginn of seattle, who supports bernie sanders. sh sussman is back with us. mike, what does he mean by messy? >> i don't think anybody would ever claim democracy is perfect and frankly bernie sanders shouldn't take the bait from the media who would love nothing more than a very tell again i can convention and something they could cover. david: wait a minute. hold on a second. mike, i have to totally disagree with you. the media would like nothing more than some dramatic thing happening so people would tune into it. that is what the media wants. go ahead. >> i had to laugh at the idea, media wanting a nice quiet convention. david: right, right. >> they don't want that at all. david: finish your point, mike. >> they don't want that at all. of course they don't. i think media is fishing for those types of quotes from the candidates right now because that is what they want to cover. bernie sanders ran, he cares deeply about inequality. he wants to see that reflected in the platform. frankly if he can focus on those issues, inequality an

former mayor mike mcginn from seattle. he supports bernie sanders. mayor, first to you, bernie has won 10 out of the last 15 primaries of the. even if he wins california there is suspicion he could not be the nominee. does that make you angry? >> look, it is a campaign and bernie sanders has put it he has a narrow path but he has had extraordinary success. pushing a message that we haven't heard before about representing working class democrats. that message is needed within the democratic party. david: but, julie, there is anger among a lot of bernie's supporters. bad enough hillary has email problem she is slipping in the polls against trump. now she has to deal with this. >> well, look, you know i was not necessarily somebody who was hillary or bernie supporter until it became apparent to me mathematically bernie will make up difference among pledged delegates, never mind superdelegates everybody complains about. when math becomes apparent you're wasting money making democratic party -- david: he would say you're not wastings money. you're forcing