attorney's office that prosecuted mike milliken and mike milliken when rudy giuliani was diagnosed with prostate cancer, he called him on the phone to give them guidance on treatment. rudy giuliani came out in favor of this part of mike milliken, that is some incredible forgiveness and redemption and this cancel culture we live in that we must point out. >> melissa: go ahead, talk to me about the three when we were talking about. >> elizabeth: it is being criticized as a re-the swamp. your points are well taken, but the three women were supported by alice johnson, she had her life sentence for an nonviolent drug offense commuted. the president has commuted three other women sentences. it's a broad perspective about excessive prosecutorial sentencing. harmful to a lot of these cases and that is where the debate is, president is defending. speak to anyone that's out there saying they want a more equitable and fair criminal justice system but thinks it's fair for roger stone to get 7-9 years or for blagojevich to serve 14 years in jail for a nonviolent offense isn't for a fair or equitable

we have bernie carrick, we have mike milliken who has done an incredible job around the world with allsearch on cancer, and he's done this, and he suffered greatly. he paid a big price, paid a very tough price, but he's done an incredible job, and yeah, these are all people that you have to see the recommendations. i rely on recommendations. >> are you going to pardon roger stone? >> i haven't given it any thought. in the meantime he's going through a process, but i think he's been treated very unfairly. yes. >> you are listening to president trump there as he departs andrews air force base. i want to go to kaitlan collins at the white house. kaitlan, he announced he commuted the sentence of the former illinois governor and also "apprentice" contestant rob blagojevich who was a democrat, is a democrat, and he's pard pardoning former u.s. commissioner bernie carrick. he said there were recommendations that were made but there are also signals here. >> he pardoned the former 49ers owner as well. of course, bernie carrick who appeared on fox news last night. and rob blagojevich's sentence