with mike morell, former deputy director of the c.i.a.earlier this week, president obama ordered the deployment of 200 special opens forces to iraq and syria. in a conversation with nora o'donnell in cbs news, obama defended his current strategy and said that the deployment will not lead to an iraq-style invasion. >> we have been able to push back i.s.i.l from territory they had taken both in iraq and in syria, and we are developing partnerships, although they're not as strong as we want yet, with local tribes and sunnis who are willing to fight i.s.i.l. and what i've said is we're going to continually modify and adjust our strategy based on those things that work and those things that may not work. >> rose: i'm pleased to have mike morell back at this table. welcome. >> thank you, always good to be here, john. >> rose: let me begin with san bernardino. tell me what questions we ought to be asking based on the information we know. >> so we really don't know the motivation at this point, right. we don't know if it was workplace venus o --

but it's what mike morel is saying there is absolutely right. we've got to get in our heads. if this is a battle, we really are determined to win, we have to will the means as well as the end. >> all of this you're talk about, the fallout has entered the presidential race in the united states to the point that donald trump, who is leading still the republican pack has said ban all muslims, no refugees, all of that kind of thing. and he is still rising in the polls. >> but this is the important thing for the center ground to be as it were muscular enough in the solutions we put forward, that we don't leave the ground to those who are putting forward demagogic solutions that a, by the way would alienate the necessary allies within the muslim world and be deeply inhumane and unfair. but if we don't -- this is not a problem for americans simply, but across europe. if we don't put forward what people in our countries think is a coherent, strong deep-based response to this terrorism, then they will become more insecure, more anxious, and more prone to fall for the rhetoric of peopl

melissa: let's go back to state senator mike morell. i don't know if you heard that report. >> i did. melissa: it was rented out by the county for the department that was targeted. what is your reaction? >> my reaction is i hope to find these criminals soon who prey on anybody, the weak, anybody. this is just tragic and i hope they're caught soon and justice and i pray that the people who are in the hospital, you know the good lord will heal them and heel our community and heal our nation at this time. david: senator, you know the area well. >> i do. david: you know this facility. >> i've been in that facility. david: you've been in the facility. >> yeah. david: so i can't imagine anybody, in the fartherrest reaches of their imagination something would happen there. doesn't seem to be a target of anybody but was there any kind of defensive precautionary measures or alerts for something like this happening there? did they have any procedures for either evacuation or dealing with a situation like this? >> you know, i don't know that speci

mike morell is a former acting director of the c.i.a., and deputy director. >> it's the part of the c.i.an.s.a. and the intelligence community to penetrate the leadership of isis just to know what they're doing, just to know what they're planning, what they're thinking, what their capabilities are, who they're in contact with, et cetera. so that you can find out what they're doing and stop it. >> rose: and know what they plan to do six months from now. >> that's one piece of the intelligence responsibility here. the other piece of the intelligence responsibility, charlie, is to collect intelligence on exactly where these guys are and where they're going to be at a certain moment in time so that our special forces, either by capturing them or killing them, can remove them from the battlefield. so that's what the president has just done, right, is to ramp up the number of guys on the ground who are going to be able to go after senior isis officials and remove them from the battlefield, hopefully capture them because you get more intelligence. >> rose: that's the purpose of the special opera

disagreement among the directors, the so-called wartime directors who followed 9/11, george tenet and mike morelltheychael will all tell you. there is absolutely no doubt in his mind set enhanced interrogation techniques saved lives and disrupted plots and took al qaeda combatants off the field. other hand, you have the other directors passionately opposed to torture. trias --as -- david raeus will to you that the most effective way of interrogating is that it takes time and skill but to become the detainee's best friend. >> it is interesting to see, -- he does sayta , you know. hold on. if there is a scenario with a nuclear bomb in new york city. we have the guy who knows. it is very hard not to try everything at your disposal to get it. so they all say they are against it but there is a caveat. charlie: the interesting argument is that they will say that people who are tortured will say everything just to stop the torture. that is the argument. on the other hand, you don't have time to be the guy's best friend if you've heard the bomb is going to go off in 24 hours. tenet. his george he would s

and the experts talking about the looming tower and i would mention mike morel and the great war of ourople who live this and study this don't hesitate to say what is obvious to them. bob bair has been on several times. i'm a commentator, i'm not reporting facts. all the evidence says look with your eyes, listen with your ears, these are terrorists. >> one is a journalist and one is a commentator and people often get the two confused. as a journalist you want more facts. as a commentator, you are free to say how you feel however the facts melee out. but i want to talk about this. some of the neighbors said they didn't want to report to police activity they thought might be suspicious because they didn't want to be perceived as profiling someone. do you think -- is that a concern for you? >> that is a real problem. the same thing was said in paris and is true here. >> what gives then? people are afraid of doing that because they don't want to be isl islamaphobic. >> we have seen the same thing in minneapolis getting the community to report suspicious behaviors. and it's an up hill strugg

directors, the so-called wartime directors, who followed 9/11, george tenet, mike hayden, even mike morelo was acting director and also under obama, will all tell you. he put it succinctly. he said there's absolutely no doubt in his mind that enhanced interrogation techniques saved lives, disrupted plots and took , al qaeda combatants off the field. on the other hand, you have the other directors passionately opposed to torture. david petraeus will to you that -- who is hardly a bleeding heart, who had more detainees than anybody in iraq, thousands of them -- will tell you that the most effective way of interrogating is that it takes time and skill, but the most effective way is to become their best friend. >> it is interesting to see, even leon panetta -- he does say at the end, you know. hold on. if there is a scenario with a nuclear bomb in new york city. we have the guy who knows. it is very hard not to try everything at your disposal to get it. so they all say they are against it but there is a caveat. charlie: the interesting argument about that, which they do not necessarily close

. ♪ charlie rose: we continue looking at the threat posed by isis with mike morel.lier this week president obama ordered the employment of 200 special ops forces to iraq in syria. he defended his current strategy and said that the deployment will not lead to an iraq-style invasion. president obama: we've been able to push back isil from territory they had taken both in iraq and in syria. we are developing partnerships, although they are not as strong as we want yet, with local tribes and sunnis were willing -- who are willing to fight isil. what i have said is we are continually modify and adjust our strategy based on those things that work and those things that may not work. charlie rose: i'm pleased to have mike back at the table, welcome. mike: always good to be here. charlie rose: tell me what questions we ought to be asking based on the information we know about san bernardino? mike: we really don't know the motivation. we don't know if it was a workplace violence or al qaeda, isis or some combination of the two. it's absolutely clear they give the metal weapon

. >> that was part of my interview with california state senator mike morel, a republican who representsuch of san bernardino, a city that long before this week's massacre had been devastated by economic hardship. in fact, it's now the poorest city of its size in the entire state of california. to understand better what the area has been going through over the past several years i spoke with cheryl brown, california state assembly member, a democrat who grew up right here in san bernardino and represents much of the city. >> we felt like we were ignored many times because we don't get the resources here that others get. we have a city that's in bankruptcy. and our police force is stretched so thin. so before we feel that -- i feel that i had to always be a champion for san bernardino and for the 47th assembly district. and i continue to be a champion. every time i get on the floor, every time i'm speaking with someone, the first thing i ask them is what does that have to do with the 47th assembly district? because this district has been marginalized. we're the poorest district, and this

(sot mike morell) what it adds up to to me is that this is a guy who was probably radicalized by isis or al qaeda officials recovered thousands of bullets and more than a dozen pipe bombs inside the couple's home. cbs news has learned those devices were made from christmas tree lights and radio controlled toys.(sot san bernardino police chief jarrod burguan) clearly they were equipped and they could have done another attack. we intercepted them before that happened authorities are now searching for the person they say legally bought two military style rifles used in the massacre.chris martinez 3 a law enforcement source said the suspects' explosive devices are nearly a carbon copy of bomb constructing qaeda magazine. bernardino shooters' links to terrorism are very telling to security experts in washington. our national correspondent kristine frazao spoke with two... who share their concerns over this latest evidence of terror recruiting in america. 3 nats from san bernadino shootingas the incident unfolded, the details were just a little too familiar for the planning, the military pr

. >> that was part of my interview with california state senator mike morel, a republican who representsuch of san bernardino, a city that long before this week's massacre had been devastated by economic hardship. in fact, it's now the poorest city of its size in the entire state of california. to understand better what the area has been going through over the past several years i spoke with cheryl brown, california state assembly member, a democrat who grew up right here in san bernardino and represents much of the city. >> we felt like we were ignored many times because we don't get the resources here that others get. we have a city that's in brubs. and our police force is stretched so thin. so before we feel that -- i feel that i had to always be a champion for san bernardino and for the 47th assembly district. and i continue to be a champion. every time i get on the floor, every time i'm speaking with someone, the first thing i ask them is what does that have to do with the 47th assembly district? because this district has been marginalized. we're the poorest district, and this is th

. >> that was part of my interview with california state senator mike morel, a republican who representsuch of san bernardino, a city that long before this week's massacre had been devastated by economic hardship. in fact, it's now the poorest city of its size in the entire state of california. to understand better what the area has been going through over the past several years i spoke with cheryl brown, california state assembly member, a democrat who grew up right here in san bernardino and represents much of the city. >> we felt like we were ignored many times because we don't get the resources here that others get. we have a city that's in bankruptcy. and our police force is stretched so thin. so before we feel that -- i feel that i had to always be a champion for san bernardino and for the 47th assembly district. and i continue to be a champion. every time i get on the floor, every time i'm speaking with someone, the first thing i ask them is what does that have to do with the 47th assembly district? because this district has been marginalized. we're the poorest district, and this

mike morel is a former deputy with thecia and news consultant consultant. in the age of isis, getting threat information mean the same as it used to mean? >> i think it's probably a little harder because there's so many voices out there. >> reporter: social media. >> social media. there's isis itself and isis supporters and you've got people saying different things and making different threats. so i think it's a little harder today to sort fact from fiction. >> reporter: vektsers are still looking for the person who sent those e-mamas. they were routed through a server in germany and tonight the server's owner says he is cooperating with law enforcement, but he would not tell us if he knew where the e-mails originated. >> well, wherever they originated, they shut down more than 1,000 schools in l.a. population only to new york and covering 710 square miles. here's ben tracy. >> all lausd s sools have been shut down today. please do not bring your children. >> reporter: the robocall alert went out at k466:32, stopping students in their tracks. nicole's son d

isis in particular sends mike morel is a former deputy with the cia and news consultant consultant. in the age of isis, getting threat information mean the same as it used to mean? >> i think it's probably a little harder because there's so many voices out there. >> reporter: social media. >> social media. there's isis itself and isis supporters and you've got people saying different things and making different threats. so i think it's a little harder today to sort fact from fiction. >> reporter: vektsers are still looking for the person who sent those e-mails. they were routed through a server in germany and tonight the server's owner says he is cooperating with law enforcement, but he would not tell us if he knew where the e-mails originated. >> well, wherever they originated, they shut down more than 1,000 schools in l.a. population only to new york and covering 710 square miles. here's ben tracy. >> all lausd schools have been shut down today. please do not bring your children. >> reporter: the robocall alert went out at k466:32, stopping students in their tracks. nicole's son d

and a former deputy director mike morel of the cia made a comment that we didn't go after oil wells,actually hitting oil wells that isis controls because we didn't want to do environmental damage and we didn't want to destroy infrastructure. are those still key factors in whether or not you go after isis targets? >> i don't know of the rules of engagement that he's talking about. but as we developed deliberate targets, we do bring environmental considerations into the factors that we consider. but they do not limit us from striking the infrastructure. they just change the way we strike it. so we try to do as little environmental damage as possible, but still limit the capacity of the well to produce. >> and, secretary carter, maybe just to close out with this, just to go back to the brunt of the problem. if we make a distinction between tactical and strategic containment, but if we shift our global perspective aware from the narrow focus of maybe tactical what we're doing in iraq and syria, is there any grounds of describing isis as contained? >> i'll let general dunford, who's not h

director mike morell said we didn't go after the oil wells, hitting oil wells that isis controlled, because we didn't want to do environmental damage. the president has the sided that the threat to the environment is more serious to him than the threat of isis terrorism. mr. speaker, oil funds isis' murderous reign of terror but the president's new limited war doctrine has one rule of engidgement. no climate casualties. mr. speaker, it's time for bombs to rain down over the isis war chest. stop the flow of the blood money, oil. not one more life should be lost because of a negligent and backwards strategy of a limited war based on climate change. a war that promotes not harming the environment over harming people. that's just the way it is. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yield back the balance of his time. for what purpose does the gentlewoman from connecticut eek recognition? without objection the gentlelady s recognized for one minute. >> thank you, mr. speaker. yesterday this house rose once again to observe a moment of silence for victims of gun violence, this time

former deputy director mike nor rael -- morell of cia said we didn't want to do environmental damage and destroy infrastructure. are those key factors whether or not you go after isis targets. >> i don't know the rules of engagement that he is talking about, but as we develop deliberate targets we do bring environmental considerations into the factors that we consider but they do not limit us from strucking infrastructure. we change the way we strike it. we try to do as little virtual damage as possible but still limit the capacity of the well to produce. >> secretary carter, just to close out with, to go back to defining problem, if we, you made the distinction between tactical and strategic containment, by if we shift to a global perspective away from the narrow focus of maybe tactically what we're doing in iraq or syria is there any grounds for describing isis as contained? >> i will let general dunford who is not here speak for himself. i described and, i think we need to be concerned about, we've talked about metastasize to the homeland and talked about getting the parent tumor.