tonight, a conversation with mike morell, former acting director and deputy director of the central intelligence agency. >> the morality question is actually quite difficult much on the one hand, the question is, how could you possibly do the stuff at the far end, right, to another human being. particularly done by a country that stands for human dignity and stands for human rights. how could you possibly do that, right? i understand that. resonate with me to some extent as it does to a lot of people. but then you look at the other side of the morality coin. how could you possibly not to those things when you believe that you need to do them in order to stop plots and save americans from being killed. >> rose: mike morell for the hour, next. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> rose: additional funding has been provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of news and multimedia information world wide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: mike morell is here. he's a cbs news national sec

mike morell is here. he is a cbs news security conservator. he was involved in preparing the cia's response to the senate intelligence committee's report. the study was made public last week and claims the cia misled the white house and congress about the effectiveness and interrogationts methods. john brennan responded in a press conference. our reviewsated indicate the program produced useful intelligence that helped the u.s. tort attack plans, -- thwart attack plans. but let me be clear. we have not concluded it was the use of interrogation techniques that allowed us to obtain useful information from detainees subjected to them. the cause and effect relationship between the use of the techniques and information provided by the detainee is, in my view, unknowable. inthough directly involved creating and running the program, you have come forward in defense of the agency, i am pleased to have mike morell back at the table. we want to have a sensible conversation about this. we also want to ask ourselves, as a country, what have we learned fro

i am pleased to have mike morell back at the table. we want to have a sensible conversation about this. we also want to ask ourselves, as a country, what have we learned from this and how do we go forward? at the same time, because this has been driven by a report from senate democrats on the intelligence committee, with the cia and its former directors pushing back, it seemed to me a time for a conversation. >> i was given this report. i read it. >> how many pages? >> 6000 pages. the summary and findings and conclusions were several hundred pages. i read the summary findings and conclusions carefully. i skimmed the 6000 pages. one of the things that struck me, when i read the report, was how much of the story that was missing. the pieces of the story that were missing were cia's interactions with the executive branch. and cia's interactions with the congress undertaken and done while the program was carried out. that was missing. i asked our historians at cia to put that story together. they produce a report, in my final weeks as depu

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. >> pelley: mike morell, former number two at the c.i.a., thank you, michael. >> you're welcome, scottlley: moving on to other news. after 9/11 the c.i.a. used extreme interrogation tactics including water boarding to try to get information out of terror suspects, a practice that was criticized last week in a u.s. senate report. well, a new cbs news poll out today, 69% of americans told us they consider waterboarding to be torture, but nearly half, 49%, said such tactics are sometimes justified. and more than half, 57%, said these interrogation techniques often or sometimes provide reliable information that can help prevent terror attacks. a hunt is under way tonight for man that the police say went on a deadly shooting rampage today in montgomery county, pennsylvania, north of philadelphia. six people have been killed and jericka duncan has the latest. >> the shooting spree started just before 3:30 a.m. these two bullet holes show an area where the alleged gunman fired shots. police say the woman who was found dead inside the apartment was the gunman's ex-wife. one neighbor who did no

. >> mike morell served under him.was deputy director from 2010 until last year and was acting director when the agency responded to the report. good morning. >> good morning. >> lots of opinions about this report. character the report from what you know about inside the cia and characterize what was done and why. >> charlie, this was, this is a deeply flawed report and it's flawed in two ways. one is that many of its main conclusions are simply wrong. for example, program not effective, not true. cia lied to congress lied to the white house, lied to the department of justice. simply not true. the republicans agree with that. >> except john mccain and lindsey graham. >> correct. but the republicans on the committee. second, second, is it leaves out much of the story. what part of the story does it leave out? it leaves out the extensive discussions the cia had with the executive branch and it leaves out the extensive discussions that cia had with congress at the time. and congressman who were briefed on this program in

. >> mike morell served under him. he was deputy director from 2010 until last year and was acting director when the agency responded to the report. lots of opinions. characterize what you know about the report from what you know inside the cia and characterize what was done and why. >> charlie. this is a deeply flawed report and it's flawed in two was. one is that many of its conclusions are simply wrong. for example, not effective, not true. they lied to congress, to the department of justice, simply not true. the republicans agree with that. >> except john mccain and lindsey graham. >> correct. but second, it leaves out part of the story. what portion does it leave out. it leaves out the extensive studies. when they were breached in 2002, 2003, 2004, they supported this program and some even thought we did not go far enough. >> not whether it was legal then and whether you had authorization. when you look at what was done would you call that torture today? >> one of the reasons he reacted so strong ler is they say t

former acing director of the chretien mike morel who heavily edated talking points. >> you cannot watch the surveillance video from that night in benghazi and have the word spontaneity come anywhere near entering your mind. yes, it was politics. >> reporter: rice and rose would appear voluntarily. the white house spokesman said he would question the motivation of republicans adding that the administration would continue to cooperate but only with what he described as legitimate oversight. lou? lou: there's also the question who of decides what is legitimate in washington, d.c. >> reporter: exactly, that's the wiggle room word for sure. lou: catherine, thanks so much. we'll have much more on the benghazi select committee hearing. talking with congressman lynn westmoreland. we're coming right back. stay with us. whose side is this president and the democratic party really on? our military around the world is on high alert because of the feinstein cia report. we'll be joined next by former u.s. ambassador to the united nations, john bolden with the answer to that question next. how can pow

. >> i do not believe it is accurate given the role mike morel has played. why didn't the reports say that? crap is a technical term meaning it is accurate, full of facts. there was talk about morale's r ole in the case. if other condemnation was some witnesses did not get interviewed and that was true. ofre were even department defense or state which was beyond the jurisdiction of my committee to investigate. a lot of people thought it was going to be the big mother load of investigation. it was narrowly tailored. get into the other questions but it still leaves questions open. lindsay is a good friend of mine. maybe i differently ripped him that either a graph of wine or coffee in the morning to sit down and read the report would really be worth the time. nobody comes out in great shape candidly. -- examines every body as i said or damnation to everyone. and multi-sourced corroborative. i encourage people to read before they make comments. >> as you know, some people in clinton's run for presidency believed what happened during benghazi might be a difficul

and just yesterday former acting cia director mike morell sounded the alarm about a possible threat in the homeland in the coming year. >> we're going to see this kind of terrorism around the world. and we are going to see it here, nora. we are going to see this kind of attack here. and we need to be prepared for that. it shouldn't surprise people when this happens here some time over the next year or so. guarantee. >> and meanwhile this news comes after more fallout over the weekend regarding the senate intel report on the cia's enhanced interrogation techniques. now, former vice president dick cheney he continued his criticism of the democratic-led panel's findings. watch this. >> torture to me, chuck, is an american citizen on a cell phone making his last call to his four young daughters shortly before he burns to death in the upper levels of the trade center in new york city on 9/11. there's this notion that somehow there's moral equivalence between what the terrorists did and what we do and that's absolutely not true. we were very careful to stop short of torture. the senate has s

. >> rose: i don't believe the report is accurate given then role mike morel has said.y didn't the report say that. >> full of crap meaning it's a pretty accurate report filled with facts. there was talk in there about morel's role in this case. the other condemn nation was some of the witnesses didn't get interviewed were on the compound and that's true because they were either department of defense or department of state which was beyond the jurisdiction of my committee to investigate. i think a lot of people thought this was going to be the big mother load of investigations. it was very narrowly tailored and so it did not get into those other questions and it still leaves questions open. so4ec lindsay's a good friend ofmine and i may have friendly ribbed him either a glass of wine or cup of coffee in the morning to sit down and read that report to really be worth the time. nobody comes out of this report really in great shape candidly. it isn't some you know great report that exonerates everybody as i said or doesn't dammation to everybody. but i think it's fair and

former cia acting director mike morel who is cbs news senior security contributor oversaw preparations of the cia rebuttal of the senate report. >> the democratic report is deeply flawed. in fact, there were some members of the congress who didn't think we were going far enough. >> reporter: justice department has already decided no cia officials will be prosecuted. in washington susan mcginnes for "eyewitness news" at cw philly. >>> 70:00 in the morning. change is coming for one of the world's largest on line retailers find out how you can haggle for a bargain on ham son. >> who knew. >>> also ahead another night have of unrest in berkley california we have the latest on the protest plus what berkley's marries saying. >> then a local couple has a simple wish this christmas season but they say it will take a miracle to come true. we will explain when we come back. >>> we're looking live outside our control room with all of the great people behind the scenes is that joe there, give us a way, joey see vince, matt, lets dough roll call, is that it. okay. thanks, guys. >> this is don't cha

. >> and former deputy director mike morell said in january of this year. >> the people who say it it wast effective want this to be easy. legal and effective. then you get to the morality question. you get to the question of is it okay to do these kind of things to other human beings? and reasonable people can differ on that. and there is a reasonable debate to be had. but it is very important for the, i think for the american people to understand that when you have that debate about whether it is okay to do this to other human beings you also have to have the debate about the flip side of the coin, charlie which is if you don't use these techniques, americans are going to die, what is the morality of that question? >> rose: joining me now from washington, peter barack, chief white house, peter baker, and david ignatius, thanks both for coming, peter let me begin with you, what is the what i house attitude about about this? we have seen what the president said but did they want this released and for what reason? >> well, they say they want this released and they said transparency is

mike morell, the deputy direct yafort cia changed the talking points in a way politically beneficialo the white house. the original talking points to clearly showed this was a preplanned attack. they gave it a different flavor and susan rice took the ball and ran. so when you tell me this report doesn't show any manipulation or intentional wrongdoing, it's just a -- it's complete garbage. bill: this was conducted by republicans. >> i don't care thought it was conducted by. the accountability review board was tipped by hillary clinton to look at the state department's actions. they never talked to her but they basically cleared the state department. you had the house armed services committee came out with a report absolving the departmenfense. now you have the house intel committee coming out with a report that's being pushed as the definitive document on benghazi with it was all a misunderstanding. i don't care who is doing these reports. not one person has been fired, nobody has been held accountable for the death trap called benghazi, not coming to their aid for 9 hours and lying a

next up this morning, three cuban intelligence officers flocked for american cia insider, mikee morelc and so, yourmy dad broughtught you me out here when.... anyway. ♪ ♪ i get a strange magic dad! did you see that?! ♪ got a strange magic hey dad! wait up! >>> it is thursday, december 18th, 2014. welcome back to "cbs this morning." more real news ahead including america's release of cuban spies. cia insider michael morell weighs in on what it means with future relations with cuba. but first here's look at today's "eye opener" at 8:00. >>> hollywood, corporate america, the u.s. government all agree that the sony hack attack and its aftermath have been unprecedented. >> for it to have happened it had to have happened over a long period of time. it would have taken months, maybe even years. >> alan gross's first words to his two daughters were i'm free. >> it's the first day of hanukkah and i'm celebrating. >> cuba wakes up to a new reality now that sweeping changes have been announced. >> president obama said it's time to end the experiment and diplomatic isolation that dates back to th