host: have you heard mike murdock talk that way? guest: yes.t is called glossolalia, and in some versions it's supposed to be a translatable language, but in most iterations it just sounds like syllables that seem random. but they believe is a spiritual heavenly tongue that is given to them to communicate with god. host: so, norman vincent peale. guest: norman vincent peale does not come from that pentecostal strain unit he comes from mainline protestantism. he had a methodist background plus this theology of self-esteem. they are borrowing from this seedbed of theology: new thought which was a movement that said the man was a really powerful spiritual incubator. whatever you could think or articulate would come true. like you are unleashing a surgical force. so, someone like donald trump who latches onto a figure like norman vincent peale, what we see there is a very respectable version of what you say and confess, you will possess. host: let's watch him, this is back in 1987. it is called the hour of power at the crystal cathedral. >> what do