i'm back here with the round table, mike needham lobbyist with heritage action. here's the question i think we have to resolve. how does hillary clinton position herself as something other than a default establishment choice with a complicated past and members in your own party are saying we're not going to let the past be forgotten. >> i think it's a big challenge for her and probably the biggest challenge out there is actually obamacare. if you look at the policy in obamacare, it's similar to what hillary ran on in 2008 than barack obama. barack obama in the ohio primary said it would be unfair to make people purchase something that they can't afford to purchase with regard to the individual mandate. so i think she like many democrats coming up in the 2014 senate races are going to have a big trouble getting away from obamacare which are the policies she advocated for six years ago. >> whether it's impeachment, whether it's obamacare, it's benghazi, mona, is that you're a veteran now of the obama white house. same question. how does she position herself as a ca

mike lee and he will take questions afterwards. [applause] it's good to be with you today. mikewas on my way in, needhamasked if i was ready to talk about railroad policy. i thought maybe i got the wrong message and i realized it was mike being mike. it reminded me of a story told by a former member of my staff, david barlow who was my chief counsel a couple of years ago. he has a son named william who is sometimes restless during church. he is five years old and was sitting in church one day and david said, william, it you need to be quiet during church. if you have all -- if you have a hard time holding still, maybe you should stop and think about davis and william would not hear that. he said to be perfectly clear, i'm not thinking about jesus. i am thinking about trains. [laughter] said minutes later, david just hold still for a few more then this part of church will be over and you can go to sunday school and see your friends and that will be fun. i will just to be clear, not be thinking about jesus during sunday school. i will still be thinking about trains. [laughter] as i was on my way to delive