mike novogratz got into crypto early when people thought it was terrible he made a lot of money and holds people going against conventional wisdom. >> what's an example where you went against conventional wisdom and it served you well >> i started a private equity firm in washington, d.c. people said you can't start a private equity firm in washington because it's a government city. >> if you're not following the lobbyists, what makes the difference why is it good to be there >> because we've started in washington, we were able to say correctly, i think we understand companies heavily affected by government aerospace, telecommunications companies, maybe we have a better understanding of those than people in new york did. at least that's what we said and think it was probably true >> what about habits of successful investors anything these people have in common >> yes, they're workaholics. nobody nine to five. these are workaholics, and for these people, investing is not work, it's pleasure f if they weren't making the mone they'd still do it they love it >> you mentioned going against the