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what are the chances you think mike pence's vice presidential ambitions are greater than his fealty to for a long time. may have discussed the possibility back in 2012. pence was considering the best path to the presidency then. so ambition dies hard, and it's not easily quashed, so i think 2024 might well be mike pence's last and well chance. he'll be 65 years old and there are younger fresher faces coming along in the republican party, if you look at glenn youngkin and his victory in virginia. he may have to run against his former boss in donald trump. >> even if his former boss isn't running, given what he did on january 6th and going against the former president, you know, can he win in primaries? and i know you spoke to mike pence's former chief of staff about this idea of the former vice president being called to serve. he kind of refers to it as a biblical call. >> he talks about it, if he feels he's called to serve he'd do it independent of what anyone else does, meaning donald trump. there are people in the republican party who have worked with both trump and pence who say it'

mike pence is silent at the home but is dropping bread crumbs. rty, but maybe not to everyone. some share their thoughts in an article in if the can atlantic" they talk to peter nicholas who covers the white house for the magazine and joins us now. it's a fascinating article that you have. what are the chances you think mike pence's vice presidential ambitions are greater than his fealty to the former president? >> i think he's been wanting to run for president for a long time. he is a mentor of dan quayle and they have discussed the possibility back in 2012. pence was considering the best path to the presidency then. so ambition dies hard, and it's not easily quashed, so i think 2024 might well be mike pence's last and best chance. he'll be 65 years old and there are younger fresher faces coming along in the republican party, if you look at glenn youngkin and his victory in virginia. if pence wants to fulfill this ambition, he may have to run against his former boss in donald trump. >> even if his former boss isn't running, given what he did on j

suggesting pence should hang up his hopes for the oval and leave it to his former boss. >> could mike pencelified. but, uh, trump had -- he had charisma and an aura. >> do you think pence should run if donald trump runs? >> no, i don't think so. >> why not? >> because we really want donald trump to win. >> reporter: based on these voters, it seems pence's biggest obstacle may be january 6th and the fact that he defied trump's demands and certified the 2020 election results. >> the votes for president of the united states are as follows. >> will he be blamed for that? will people consider him disloyal to donald trump if he enters the race, will he be punished in some way? >> there are laws pence had to follow and legally he did the right thing. now, is it something -- who are hard core trump lovers that the president walks on water no matter what, they'll say he's terrible. >> conservatives are very aggressive and sometimes territorial. if you have a faction out there who believes he did desert the party, they're not likely to support him. >> reporter: beyond january 6th there is also the qu

hang mike pence. >> they are chanting hang mike pence. just days earlier on january 4th, short was with pence in the oval office with trump and conservative attorney john eastman trying to pressure pence to delay the counting of the electoral college votes. joining us is olivia troye, former adviser to vice president mike pence and director of the republican accountability project. olivia, thank you for being with us. just so people understand the context here, broadly speaking, where does marc short fit into pence world? >> he is a critical player. he is the former vice president's right-hand person. he still is very much in the inner circle of mike pence. i worked very closely with marc short during my tenure in the white house and he's definitely mike pence's confidant. >> from what you saw, was he more squarely ensconced with the former vice president? more part of pence world than trump world? >> you know, i think it is a mix of both. i think he certainly became more of the mike pence world the longer he was in his tenure in his role

clearly mark short and other people around mike pence, their loyalty is to mike pence, and it seems at least some of them, the loyalty is to telling the true story of what happened as opposed to the true die hard maga types who are going to go down in flames or do whatever they have to do to protect donald trump. so there's a key distinction there, and i think the committee is absolutely right to focus on that and try to get whatever information they can out of that rift. >> charlie, i almost called you mark, charlie. >> i got more hair. >> good one. >> do you think short would be cooperating if he didn't get the go ahead from pence? you said you think he's doing it with his blessing. are you sure about that? >> i can't be completely sure, but i think mark short would do it anyway. i'm just looking at the politics of this situation. i think mike pence, you know, wants to secure his place in history as the guy who stood up and did the right things. >> at times, though, he's speaking up for the president. i'm very proud of what i did, you know, as the lean in and the pence voice, and the

want to cooperate with the committee perhaps because their still angry with what trump did hang mike pencey decided they need to distance themselves. we know that pence has indicated he would like to run for president but i think one thing we know short is considered one of pence's most loyal aides. it's hard to imagine he would be cooperating with the committee without mike pence's blessing, don. >> andrew, let me get you to respond to jamie's exclusive. short is a first-time witness to what happened on january 6th and his testimony is critical for the committee. what would you ask him if you were questioning him? >> wow, there are so many good questions i would have for mark short. essentially, don, you want mark short to put you in the room. you want him to go through in detail who else was in the oval office on january 4th. where was everybody sitting? who spoke first? who was making what points? how did you respond to that? how did the vice president respond to it and the big question, how did the president of the united states respond? what did he say? how did he try to pressure pote

the other guy was hearing hang mike pence while he was presiding over ceremonies at the capitol. of course they won't see eye to eye. but it is not yet clear exactly how pence is going to try to navigate a path forward if he does run for 2024 that is one independent of trump. we all saw his four years as that loyal vice president. it is going to be so difficult for him to have an identity apart from trump's in a republican nominating race in 2024 if that's what comes to be. >> david, you're exactly right. but -- and -- and pence was one way and the other way. he was with trump. he was defying trump. but in -- in the end, and, you no, this is the end of this ball game -- pence did the right thing. >> no doubt about it. >> he stood up to trump. and in the meetings we report with trump, it -- it was interesting. pence was always saying to trump, i'm praying for you. i continue to pray for you. and that's a signal of the religious component and it's a signal you know who you do pray for the most? the sinner. >> be interesting to know what the former president, you know, how much comfo

hang mike pence is still ringing in their ears or maybe politically they decided they need to distanceelves. we know that pence has indicated he would like to run for president but i think one thing we know, short is considered one of pence's most loyal aides. it's hard to imagine he would be cooperating with the committee without mike pence's blessing, don. >> andrew, let me get you to respond to jamie's exclusive. short is a first-time witness to what happened on january 6th and his testimony is critical for the committee. what would you ask him if you were questioning him? >> wow, there are so many good questions i would have for mark short. essentially, don, you want mark short to put you in the room. you want him to go through in detail who else was in the oval office on january 4th. where was everybody sitting? who spoke first? who was making what points? how did you respond to that? how did the vice president respond to it and the big question, how did the president of the united states respond? what did he say? what did he try to influence? how did he try to pressure potentiall

so what ou're somebody like mike pence. so what you're telling _ somebody like mike pence. then is that this i you're telling me then is that this goes right to the heart of the political debate in america? that it could be when it comes to the decision i think you next year, this could really make things worse, could really make things worse, could it not? i could really make things worse, could it not?— could it not? i mean, it will certainly — could it not? i mean, it will certainly come _ could it not? i mean, it will certainly come at _ could it not? i mean, it will certainly come at a - could it not? i mean, it will certainly come at a prime l could it not? i mean, it will. certainly come at a prime time could it not? i mean, it will- certainly come at a prime time for congressional midterms in 2022. with the verdict _ congressional midterms in 2022. with the verdict coming up reasonably in june _ the verdict coming up reasonably in june. this— the verdict coming up reasonably in june. this could certainly deepen partisan — june. this could certainly deepen partisan g

mark short was with mike pence a lot of the time.st of january 6th, as you've just put up here. he was in the oval office on january 4th, and, remember, that was the time when donald trump was really making his argument to pence and saying, you know, you've got to stop -- you've got to stop this count, these electoral college votes, and after he did that, you know, he was banned from the white house by donald trump. i think mark short has a lot of information about pence and pence's conversations perhaps with him and how the vice president really felt, and i think he is probably going to be very forthcoming because he's probably very upset at the way mike pence was treated. i mean, remember, the former president did not even call mike pence on january 6 when poem in the capitol were saying hang mike pence to see how he was doing. >> elie, good investigators use short's cooperation to encourage others to cooperate with the committee? >> absolutely, aprila. that's the real path here to finding truth. the committee realistically is neve

he could provide more insight on all of the pressure that donald trump brought on mike pence, not to s of the election. and it does signify where the pence world is differing from the donald trump world on this. a source told my colleagues that the committee is getting significant cooperation from team pence and that's so important because of the role that the vice president played on january 6th in the events leading up to it. >> the threat he faced during that time on january 6th. >> yeah, absolutely. so we know too that former trump associate steve bannon in the other camp, not in the cooperation camp, but set to take part in a conference, that could set a trial date for his contempt of congress charge. what are we expecting to hear from him out of all that? >> yeah. steve bannon is very much in the digging his heels in and not cooperating camp, why he's facing this contempt issue. and he really wants to slow walk these proceedings. lawyers made that very clear, they made it clear in a filing last night. they're suggesting, you know, perhaps we should go to trial in october of next

on that day when you'll recall the rioters were hunting for mike pence. >>. [ chanting hang mike pence ] mark short was also reported to be in key meetings just days before the insurrection when trump team lawyer john eastman was trying to convince pence to subvert the process of certifying joe biden's election. "the washington post" reports that two days before the riot, eastman quote made the case for pence to act during a meeting in the oval office with trump, pence, and pence's chief of staff mark short. recently pence spoke about his decision not to turn over the 2020 election. >> i don't know if president trump and i will ever see eye to eye on that day or that many of our most ardent supporters will agree with my decision that day. but i know i did the right thing. >> meanwhile, the committee is still working to get information from other witnesses because not all people react the same way to a subpoena evidently. mike flynn and nicholas luna were supposed to give a deposition. they have been postponed. alex smith, the aforementioned john eastman, and former trump aide jason mil

he definitely does not want to impair mike pence's path to the nomination in 2024 that mike pence believes he has. that said, i think he's going to be a very helpful witness to the committee. >> robert let's talk about john eastman. he has indicated he will take the fifth before the committee, but he did go on fox news tonight, let me play that exchange for you, we will discuss on the other side. >> betty thompson wants to presume people guilty rather than presume innocence. they are just shredding the entire constitution and then claiming that it's us who don't support the constitution. why comply? >> at this point, if it is totally fake, just a soviet show trial, which it is. why would the rest of us have any kind of obligation to play along with it? >> we shouldn't. but congress has the power to issue criminal contempt. normally, those don't go anywhere in such raids as this. but the department of justice is fully in line. you know they've already brought one criminal indictment against one of the people that refused to comply. >> this is the guy who wrote the memo and engaged however b

this is someone who is and remains very close with mike pence. he was with the vice president during january 6, was part of a group of aides and advisers that were evacuated from the capitol with pence on that day. so short has unique insight into everything that happened on january 6th. it's not just january 6th that will be of interest to the committee, though, because short was one of the former vice president's closest advisers as he was facing a major pressure campaign from the former president donald trump and other conservative leaders who believed that pence had legal authority to prevent the certification of the november election. that certification, of course, was scheduled to take place on january 6th. >>> now, pence had a meeting in the oval office with president trump and john east man, who is a controversial conservative lawyer. he was the first author or architect, i should say, of this theory that pence had the ability to prevent the certification of the election. and marc short was in the room during that meeting. of course, pence

this is what trump had to say about mike pence. . >> i think mike has been very badly hurt biff what took place with respect to january 6th. i think he's been mortgagely wounded, frankly. because i see the reaction he's getting from people. >> trump says pence has been mortgagely wounded by following the constitution. >> after signs to hang mike pence were all over the capitol, saying mortally wounded is not a coincidence but i think is enormously important to just remind ourselves that for as much as people on the left and on the right even may have been disa incident poed -- disappoid is because mike pence upheld the electoral count act by proceeding forth with the counting of the pal lots. mike pence is one of the heroes of january 6th whether you like it or not. he may have been politically mortally wounded by donald trump's base but he did the right thing for history. >> also mike pence thinks he can get back in good graces the next couple of years. i'm not so sure there is a path. >> he doesn't seem to be kowtowing as much as mark meadows and the others in the world. he was just

that's the former mike pence chief of star mark short.me to share their reporting rachel bay, cnn's jeff slenly, thea mitchell and cnn legal analyst laura coates. i draw the point to people at home. if you're the committee, had a deal with this witness last week. he said he was going to come in and now his attorney sends a letter saying the select committee has no intention of respecting boundaries concerning executive privilege. they had that conversation a week ago. this, why? >> i can imagine they are pretty frustrated. i can also imagine they are pretty confused because on the one and he just released a book that talks about a lot of the same things that they would like to question him probably in a more direct way than he would like to answer, but, you know, it does come across that perhaps he wasn't genuine earlier when he indicated he might work with the committee. >> and is there any privilege? obviously we're awaiting for the appeals court case involving the former president and everybody else would flow from there. the conversat

that mike pence did do the right thing on january 6th.n't mean he didn't think about was there a way out before january 6th. he did do the right thing on january 6th. we're approaching the one-year anniversary of that. i think it would be helpful speaking on the christian broadcasting network to talk about the things we just talked about. you don't have to agree or disagree with mike pence, he has a platform, where is his voice on the hate speech? it is the biggest defining challenge now in the republican party. we need a competitive two-party system. we need to have big debates about big issues in the country. why listen to the republicans at all when they invite hate to the table. think about it as a parent, if an executive in this organization said or did the things lauren boebert did, they would be fired. they would be pushed out. but in the republican party, they are not. and so, yes, mike pence did the right thing on january 6th, he has a difficult lane ahead of him in politics, we talked about charlie baker stepping aside, it would

. >> they said hang mike pence. >> it's common sense.ow can you -- if you know a vote is fraudulent. right? how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to congress? >> jimmy: it's a betrayal of everything i've been lying about for two months. [ laughter ] you can't -- but enough about mike pence being hung. what about me being hung? you want to take a look? it's huge, jon. [ laughter ] then karl follows up with a question asking for clarification on a story about a conversation trump had with mike pence before the riot. >> there was a report, and excuse my language. not mine. it was in the report. that you talked to him that morning and you said you could be a patriot or you can be a [ bleep ]. did you really say that or is that an incorrect -- >> i wouldn't dispute it. [ laughter ] >> really? >> i wouldn't dispute it. >> jimmy: what if he tried to grab mike pence by the patriot? [ laughter ] mike pence now claims he has no problems at all with his former boss. so i guess trump was right. there's another mcnugget from the book. it says trump w

. >> so margie, why do you think vice president mike pence or josh hawley would go to simon into stir and go through several extra hoops rather than being published by regnery? >> there are -- of course, i don't know. and either case specifically. but there are two obvious reasons that come to mind. one is, hope that they can navigate their way through a very liberal very woke culture that at the big publishing houses that they can navigate their way through. and still be able to get their message out. and the other answer is money. unfortunately, there are, for the biggest celebrity authors, the new york publishers office will still pay a very big advance. and that's not to say that regnery hasn't paid very big advances we have. but in some cases, they will overpay, new york will overpay, for authors because they like the idea of the celebrity on their list. although i think it's changing as well. as we've seen recently, they're a lot of big celebrities, donald trump being number one, big celebrity authors that new york has said they won't publish. so, i think it is -- my belief is i

watch. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> looking at that, seeing the violence at the seat of our democracy that day, it is just stunning to realize that less than half of the capitol rioters -- listen to this -- less than half of capitol rioters who have been sentenced so far have gotten any time behind bars. that is according to a new cnn analysis. and meanwhile, the clock is ticking as the former president tries to keep his secrets from the january 6th committee. it's got less than two weeks to appeal to the supreme court with a conservative majority and three justices that he appointed. then, there is republican david perdue. who lost his senate seat in that hotly contested georgia run-off election the day before the attack on the capitol, and is now running for governor of georgia. he's got this whole new thing. you decide if you think it's grifty. because he's still pushing the big lie of bogus-election fraud. filing a lawsuit just today, more than a year after the election, a lawsuit to inspect absentee ballots from

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he was with mike pence at the capitol on january 6th. he was also in the oval office on january 4th when former president trump tried to convince pence not to certify the election results. in addition, wolf, our sources say that short's assistance signals a greater openness among pence's inner circle with one source telling me the committee is getting, quote, significant cooperation with team pence, and another source telling me that short's help is an example of the momentum the investigation is having behind the scenes. wolf, i do think it's important for context to remember this: short is considered one of pence's most loyal aides. he has worked with him off and on for more than a decade. it is hard to imagine that mark short would cooperate with the committee without pence's blessing. wolf. >> that's really an important point, jamie. why is short's cooperation as a result so, so significant? >> we've heard a lot about trump officials, allies of trump claiming executive privilege or saying they'll take the fifth. this marks a significa

luck, if you're thinking about 2024, mike pence. thank you, gentlemen. joining me now, cnn's white house correspondent kaitlan collins. >> in studio, not at the white house. >> we're glad to have you. kaitlan, thank you for joining us. listen, joe biden was in kansas city, touting his economic message today on the heels of some good economic news, including dropping gas prices. what did we hear today? >> you see how the average has gone down here. this is welcome news for the white house, because they have been plagued by this, talking about these prices and where they were. and so as the president was there, he was talking about this, and he was giving himself some credit for a move he made recently. >> two weeks ago, i announced the largest ever release of the u.s. strategic petroleum reserve, increased the supply of oil to help bring down prices. and i met with our friends around the world, other countries joined us. and those savings are starting to reach drivers. >> now, don, a few things we should note. by the time the preside

. >> they were yelling hang mike pence. i'm sure there could have been violence against other members of congress, other democrats. but the one they were targeting so voekly was mike pence. i wanted to ask you, this group of prominent conservatives, including former lawmakers sending a letter to kechb mccarthy the house republican leader calling him to expel congresswoman liz cheney and congressman adam kinzinger from the republican caucus because of their roles on the committee. it leads in part we ask the gop conference meet immediately to vote on stripping them of their membership on the republican conference. is that something he is likely to do? >> it is totally counterproductive and i think mccarthy knows with him on the cusp of potentially being the next speaker of the house is the last thing you want to do is get fully distracted. it is interesting many of the same conservatives calling for the expulsion of some members of congress from their own caucus were many who a decade ago in the tea party hay days were the v

how former vice president mike pence could overturn the presidential election. this as the january 6th committee issues a slew of new subpoenas, including one for a former trump aide running for congress. and the united states supreme court leaves a narrow path to challenge the nation's most restrictive abortion law. but the near-total ban on abortions in texas is still in effect tonight. we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin this hour with the inflation crisis here in the united states and the strains it's putting on the u.s. economy and on the biden administration. it to go to our chief white house correspondent, kaitlan collins. kaitlan, the president says that the economy is bouncing back, so how does this grim new inflation report released today figure in? >> reporter: well, it complicates the figure that they're trying to paint. because, yes, there are several signs that the economy is recovering. those are the big, strong indicators that the white house

>> hang mike pence. hang mike pence. hang mike pence. >> right. in an interview with christian broadcasting network yesterday, the former vice president give a rare statement about trump and january the six. and it was, well, see for yourself. >> i don't know if president trump and i will ever see eye to eye on that day. or that many of our most ardent supporters well agree with my decision that day. but i know i did the right thing. >> yeah, you don't generally see eye to eye with someone who incited a mob that was trying to kill you. talk about stockholm syndrome. this comes just weeks after audio was released of trump speaking with abc reporter, jonathan coal, and basically not giving a damn about pence's safety or the threat to his life that day. >> were you worried about him during that siege? were you worried about his safety? >> no, i think he was well protected and i had heard he was in good shape. no, because i had heard he was in very good shape. but -- >> you heard those chants. that was terrible, i mean you know -- >> he could have, a

he was already leaning on mike pence in private and on social media. so, it's hard to imagine the congressman jordan's text by the 5th of january was all that new to the chief of staff. but it is remarkable that a sitting member of congress was texting this bunk to aid in the attempted undermining of a free and fair election. but the committee has done so comprehensively in these last few days has been to not only raise serious questions about the possibility of mr. meadows and the likes of mr. jordan aiding in the insurrection. the three days have also exposed fox news -- and i use the word news in name only -- as being completely a part of the fraud. their biggest stars, we now know, were sending texts to meadows begging him to get the former president to call off the mob. suggesting, of course, that this was the president's mob to call off. they knew it and what's more, they knew that meadows knew it, as well. here is committee vice chair liz cheney. >> multiple fox news hosts knew the president needed to act immediately. they texted mr. meadows and

most interesting things was the former president donald trump talking about his vice president mike pence him the election. this is what donald trump said out loud. >> i think mike has been very badly hurt by what took place with respect to january 6th. i think he's been -- i think he's been mortally wounded, frankly, because i see the reaction he's getting from people. >> david, why do sources familiar with david chalian's thinking think this is so notable? >> listen, we know there is no love lost here this year since january 6th between donald trump and mike pence. and trump has been out there sort of questioning, still smarting over the fact that pence didn't go through with his attempted coup plan that trump had depfvised for him that penc followed the constitutional order probably in terms of counting the electoral votes. what i find amazing about this, now donald trump is stepping up this game. he's trying to ensure mike pence doesn't have a political future in the republican party. he is, by saying he's mortally wounded, and by the way, trump's analysis, it could be right, there ar

. >> host: why do you think mike pence were senator josh holly would go to simon and schuster and go through several rather than being published by regnery? >> guest: of course i don't know in either case specifically, but there are two kind of obvious reasons that come to mind. one is hope that they can navigate their way through a very liberal and will culture at the big publishing houses they can navigate their way through and still be able to get their message out and the other answer is money. unfortunately, they are some of the biggest celebrity authors that new york publishers will still pay a very big advance. that isn't to say that they haven't paid big advances. they have, but in some cases they will overpay because they like the idea of the celebrity on their list. although, you know i think that is changing as well and there are as we have seen recently big celebrities, donald trump of being number one, big celebrity authors that new york has said they will not publish. my belief is that it is incumbent upon all authors to ask is this a partner that i feel has enough inte

are getting cooperation from marc short, who is the former chief of staff to the vice president mike pence. and short was with pence in the days and weeks leading up to january 6, and he was with him here on that day. pence part of a group of aides and advisers to pence who were evacuated from the capitol as the rioters stormed the building on that day. so there's a lot the committee probably wants to know about the time line of events on january 6 itself. but short also has unique insight into what pence was dealing with in the days leading up to january 6. of course, pence was being put under enormous pressure from the former president donald trump and allies outside of the white house to try and intervene in his role as president of the senate, to try and prevent the certification of the election results on january 6, including one key meeting in the oval office with conservative lawyer john eastman who was floating this pretty much debunked legal theory that somehow pence had the authority to prevent the certification of the election. of course, pence said that he did not have that aut

revealed a legal strategy that jim jordan forwarded on to mark meadows suggesting that vice president mike pence ability to decide which leele electors vot legally. it said mike opponents as president of the senate could call ought owl electoral votes he believes and no at all. that was the only portion read monday night. this is the rest of it. in accordance with guidance from founding father alexander hamilton and judicial precedent, no contrary to the constitution can be valid. there's some other legal cases that they cite. essentially the premise wall pence, all by himself, could stand in the way of the certification of the electoral votes. meadows received this text from jim jordan on january 5th, the day before the certification process took place. his office did confirm he forwarded that text, but they tried to make is seem as if jordan warrant endorsing this plan. this was a statement from his staff to us, that said, quote, mr. jordan forwarded the text to mr. meadows, and mr. meadow certainly knew it was a forward. but still he presented that information. a word document had more extens

still waiting for an apology from mark meadows, mike pence, keith kellogg and others who called me aloyee about telling the truth about trump's recklessness on covid when it mattered and not saving it for a book. what are your thoughts beyond that tweet? it sounds like you got a lot. >> yeah. i found it infuriating because all of these people know and lived what i did. they know how firsthand how reckless trump was, especially during the onset of the covid pandemic. and thinking back to that moment of the fact that here we have the leader of the country of the time putting these families' lives at risk. these are the families that had a family member pay the ultimate sacrifice for our country, and the plain disregard and disrespect shown. and yet you have a whole group of people surrounding this man who are enabling him. none of these people came forward to tell the truth about what was happening. and coming forward could've saved lives at the time. and i think it's just -- it just goes to show that a lot of this is done in self-interest. mark meadows decided that this was a story th

dan quail explained it to mike pence and they were right. and so these lawyers were coming up with outrageous theories to prevent the peaceful transition of power and it's as simple as that and again, i lay the blame at the former president. that's why we're having these conversations today. i know most republicans with whom i've dealt with who served were currently in office believe they were all elected legitimately and if the democrats are going to steal elections, they wouldn't have just stolen the presidential election. they all know that. so i think this is really sad that we're in this position in this country right now. >> laura, the national archives -- say again. >> others are watching. as america backslides, that's really smelling trouble for the democratic institutions around the world because they always look to us for leadership. we were the paradigm, the model. not so much anymore, unfortunately. >> national archives working with mark meadows to get records he had on personal accounts and may not have been given to the agency.

," where is mike pence.communicating with the white house the status of the vice-president, and there is a turning point that happens here for mark short, which is a person who has been watching then-president donald trump exert one of the most excruciating pressure campaigns on his boss, to do something that's not legally or constitutionally viable. to press, and press, and press and threaten him. he's watched this for several days, been at his boss's side while the president used every tactic in the book and now learns, after january 6, after 2:20 that president trump is doing nothing to check on the safety of his boss, the safety of his boss's family, the safety of his employees himself and doing nothing to call off the individuals he encouraged about two hours earlier to fight like hell and go up to the capitol and stop the certification of the vote and insisted that one of their key targets should be vice-president pence. so mark short, now let's rush forward, to today. he's had multiple interviews with

we know he harassed mike pence in public on a rally stage in georgia.and his allies paid money for those events. they got permits for those events, and they all shuttled there with secret service protection and went back to the white house to watch the hell that he had unleashed. what we don't know, though, is what was said by him to aides as the violence went down, as mike pence was rushed out, as he stood in the basement and refused to get in the car. a lot of that has started to be filled in by investigative journalists, but i wonder what sort of your questions are for what was going on inside the west wing and at the cabinet agencies, the pentagon and other places, during the insurrection. >> you know, there's a picture that's emerged of trump, and i would love to know, is this, in fact, accurate? that he was watching the insurrection and the violence as it unfolded on cable news and was enjoying what he was watching. if that's true, we've got a real psychopath in the oval office, and did he, in fact, in any way, aid and abet and encourage that to c

they were going to kill mike pence. mike pence is the number two man in the country. nancy pelosi is number three. so you have the number two and the number three, he wanted to kill. he would have called a state of emergency. you ever hear the emergency broadcast system, this is the emergency broadcast system? donald trump was going to -- the president has a right to take the whole tv station over, nbc, cbs, and abc, so this is what he was doing. and if you do not know about thompson, you republicans -- host: the national guard was mentioned. in a unanimous consent vote yesterday, our capitol hill producer points out this, the senate unanimously passed legislation to empower the chief of the united states capitol police to unilaterally request the assistance of the d.c. national guard or federal law enforcement agencies in emergencies without prior approval of the capitol police board. the speaker, nancy pelosi, talked about the impact of january 6 on both political parties on capitol hill. [video clip] >> a lot of conversations among members and staff about the break

democratic president bill clinton along side former republican vice president, the most recent one, mike pence >> reporter: in addition to vice president pence, you also have former vice president cheney, who is expected to be in the audience as well, really a nod to the close friendship and the legislation and many of the years they spent together on capitol hill, getting that type of -- you know, the hard work that they wanted to get done. i had an opportunity to speak with dole back in 2006 after gerald ford passed, and he said it was one of the greatest things that he and gerald ford wanted to accomplish in their legacy was to work with those who they did not necessarily agree to come up with the compromises necessary for the american people. >> the ceremony there about to begin inside the beautiful, breathtaking washington national cathedral. suzanne malveaux, thanks so much. to all of you, please stay with us. >>> we are going to take a quick break here. ahead, our cnn special live coverage of the funeral of the late senator bob dole continues. stay with us. people, with quickbooks live

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part three of the plan was to get vice president mike pence to go along with this when it came time on january 6th for him to actually count the electoral college votes. that's what the mob was for at the capitol on january 6th, right, to help vice president mike pence with that decision, to make sure he did the right thing when it came to counting those fake trump electors or not. but the part that happened actually in the states has received comparatively less attention ever since. i mean, the footage that exists of these republican fake electors banging on the door trying to negotiate their way past that state police captain. that got some attention. that gave us insight how they did it in michigan. consider what happened next door that same day, that same time in wisconsin. in wisconsin republicans there approached it in a way that is more unsettling. what we're seeing here, this is footage of the actual electors. the actual wisconsin electors casting their vote. wisconsin has ten electoral votes, biden and harris won the vote in wisconsin, so these are ten biden/harris electors n

and mike pence is trying to test the waters, trying to put himself in a position where he could run for, his inner circle says that he would run whether or not president trump runs. i think most outside political analysts say it's unlikely pence will run if trump runs. it would be difficult to make an argument that he is better for the republican party than donald trump, and certainly the base is still upset with mike pence for certifying the election results as was his duty as vice president of the united states. >> how does the trump, though, shadow loom for the former vice president if, in fact, he does choose to run, whether or not, irrespective of whether or not the former president runs. for folks that supported the former president, as we know on january 6th, people were rioting and storming the capitol and calling for pence's life. for folks that were not supportive of the former president but still republican would see pence as being his former vice president in lock step with the former president for four years. how will that shadow loom if he chooses to run again? >> well, i

electoral votes and being rushed out because his life was in danger, the maga mob chanting hang mike penceump in the oval office and he testified today. what do we know about that and how significant is it? >> keith kellogg is a critical witness, and what we've learned today, his lawyer stopped in the middle. they took a break. spoke to our cnn team and told them john cole is his lawyer. he said he's testifying on what happened. he is cooperating. when asked whether kellogg was providing the committee with documents pertaining to that day, cole said they are all logged in at the national archives, that he didn't have any personal emails or texts. they've been handed over. frankly, the way mark meadows should have handed them over. but here's the key point. cole told our team that there was nothing being withheld over privilege issues. this whole business has hardly anything to do with national security problems or anything that he was doing as national security adviser. this is the first firsthand witness, keith kellogg was in the oval office, in the personal dining room with donald trump

, and importantly, marc short is a mike pence guy, not a donald trump guy.c short's also kind of a washington politics guy. this is not the end of the road for marc short. he's not likely a candidate that needs donald trump's approval in the years going forward. his cooperation means a lot, but we clearly are at the stage where those with direct knowledge of donald trump's actions and words that day are now covering up for him, and the question is, what are you covering up, and why? because even if you stand on that privilege claim, it doesn't mean you have to use it. even if you think the former president is afforded it, it doesn't mean you have to use it if you have knowledge about the attack on the capitol. >> carol leonnig, thank you for spending time with us. david sticks around. when we come back, there are new developments in the case of the michigan school shooting, including new leads in the investigation and more heart-wrenching tributes to those victims. we haven't heard action in washington to end the growing risk. coming up, we'll talk to two le

i think about that, yeah, mike pence was almost hurt. he was almost killed at the direction of you.erfect picture of describing this group of people who continue to spread this disinformation, that continues to be pervasive, whether it's, you know, fox news and those texts and you see the cover up afterwards, which i think shows complicitness across the board by these people, and then you have mike pence who did do the right thing that day, he did his role, his job and he certified the election, under tremendous pressure by the former leader of our country in that moment. >> olivia troy, always great to talk to you, thank you. >>> president biden is in kentucky right now. he's continuing his tour of several towns that were just devastated by last week's deadly tornados. these are live pictures we're looking at right now. >> he's in dawson springs. he was in mayfield earlier. you see he's conversing with members of law enforcement. chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins is there with the president. what do we expect to hear from the president today? >> well, he's going to ma

this one reads, on january 6th 2021, vice president mike pence as president of the senate should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all. you can see why this is so critical to ask mr. meadows about, about a lawmaker suggesting that the former vice president simply throw out votes that he unilaterally deems unconstitutional. >> i mean, jeffrey, how significant is that, a sitting lawmaker texting that to the white house chief of staff? >> you know, one useful way of thinking about this whole coup attempt was there was this sort of legal side of it, this attempt to get mike pence and members of the house of representatives to undo the results of the election, to, for the first time in american history, overcome the will of the voters. that's one side of it. the other side of it is the violence, is the riot. meadows is a key witness on both parts of that, as we learned today and have been learning for several weeks. and this is what this committee should be investigating. but shouldn't that lawmaker have to answer for his or her att

. >> on january six, 2020, one vice president mike pence, as president of the senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all. >> jim jordan couldn't put his hand up on that on monday right away and very proudly said, hey, that was me. that was mine. i sent that text. but he didn't. he stayed quiet. he could've said something all day and all night tuesday. when that tex was making news all over the country and in his congressional district in a whole higher. but jim jordan said nothing. that is exactly what jim jordan is accused of doing by members of the ohio state wrestling team when jim jordan was an assistant coach of the team and some of the members of the team were being sexually abused by the team doc after. jim jordan said nothing. members of the team have insisted, under, old that jim jordan knew. they insisted that jim jordan knew that the doctor was sexually abusing teammates who jim jordan had an obligation to protect. jim jordan had an obligation to those teammates. he had an obligation to their parents. he ha