>> mike pence, i hope you're going to stand up for the good of our country. to be very disappointed in you. >> when the people came for the people's house... >> if pence caved, we're going to drag mother(bleep) through the streets. >> ...and the attackers scaled the walls... >> we just heard that mike pence has betrayed the united states of america. (crowd booing) >> (chanting): hang mike pence! >> ...and the mob started beating the policemen, what did all these people do inside of congress? all these people who had fomented this, all these people who had enabled the lies, all these people who had invited this violence, what did they do? they ran. >> (chanting): hang mike pence! >> they went looking for cover. >> stand down, mother(bleep). >> bust it down! >> he's got a gun! (gun fires) (crowd shouting) >> we gotta get e.m.s. here! >> i think about the fact that ashli babbitt, who lost her life that day, was a veteran. she served our country in the air force. but she believed people that she thought she was supposed to trust, who she thought were supposed to

is what he told mike pence.n or you can be mike pence, trump told haberman, reporting an inaccurate comparison to the election of 1800. and, quote, he chose to be mike pence. so, alice, do you think that mike pence is offering republicans a version of the party that they're interested in and a potential candidate that they could be interested in 2024? >> let me just say thank god mike pence was mike pence on january 6th and did what he could to help certify the election. but, look, the good thing is gop has a deep bench right now. we have several candidates that are already testing the waters and going out to these early states, and we have a good number of people that would be good, viable candidates. mike pence, we certainly have desantis. we have tom cotton. we have tim scott, several people. so whether it's mike pence or any of these others, i am encouraged to know that the gop has several other options than donald trump to choose from. >> i want to play a little bit of sound from republican congresswoman na

getting mike pence to attempt a coup. >> if mike pence does the right thing, we win the election. >> i hope mike has the courage to do what he has to do. >> and trump kept pushing pence on this, as late as january 4th, and those other unlawful plots were re-emerging as a kind of pretext, even though as you've seen, they didn't all work. indeed, senate republicans were trying to get that fraudulent elector material to pence on that very day, with pence's aide pushing back, don't give him that, that's the elector fraud stuff. this was, as you see on the screen, roughly 20 minutes of mike pence arrive can, and over 130 republicans did vote to object to the certification, including eight republican senators. so these different disparate plats are not dispar rat. they all congeal. and then you have trump, with what he knew, sending what he knew were armed people at the capitol, at a point he knew he needed something more than all of those other seven forwarded plots he tried. >> i heard the president say something to the effect of, you know, i don't care that they have weapons, they're not

and to show you just where the party is at, almost immediately after the court overturned roe, mike penceer republican vice vice president now running for president possibly and 124 said, quote, republicans must not rest until abortionea is illegal everywhere. that means a nationwide ban. that doesn't lead up to the state. in fact, he doubled down on just this last night saying a national abortion ban is profoundly more important than republicanne short earns intere. that's one of the leaders of the republican party, which has moved so far to the right, even someone like mike pence who doesn't always go along with trump feels compelled to say that extreme, to take that extreme position. and lest we forget, folks, nearly every senate republican, nearly every senate republican already voted to push national abortion bans in 2020, in 2018, and 2015. during one of the salt the senator from south carolina who introduced a nationwide ban again yesterday said, , quote, these pieces of legislation will continue to be advanced until they pass. how do we know that republicans will put a national ab

i think mike pence is a fine person. not taking votes that he knew were wrong. >> a whole lot of nonsense in there, in that clip. welcome back to "state of the union." that was president trump in an interview at mar-a-lago saying why he wouldn't or couldn't pick mike pence were he to run for president again. that interview was with susan glasser, r, author of a brand new book, the divider. susan glasser and our panel join us now. that's a pretty shocking exchange. first of all, pence is not in charge of taking votes and pence did not do anything wrong. he did what the constitution said he should do. what was it like being in mar-a-lago with trump? >> to your point, we spent more than three hours over the course of two interviews at mar-a-lago trying to interview the former president, and i don't think there was a single sentence with a noun and a verb and a period attached to it. there were a lot of rants about the rigged election, but the bottom line was that trump was very focused even after leaving office on defining e

do you think there's a new world in which mike pence testifies? >> i believe mike pence is different than donald trump in many ways, and i think that while he had to tow the party line during the course of that administration, that he is more like traditional republicans than daca president trump. whether they will force him to, i hope that he does. i think jacobs's testimony was incredibly powerful. seeing the footage of what he and his family went through on that day was horrific. >> what about money laundering? i know you have fraud on there as well. there has been some talk of the investigation into the save america pack. but what specifically -- where do you see the money laundering factoring into all of this? >> this is interesting, but if you think about it, this is exactly what happened to steve bannon with the build the wall. they brought charges for steve bannon for money laundering. when you raise money for fraud, that's illegal proceeds, then when you use those proceeds for purportedly legitimate, that's a form of money laundering. it'

mike pence. and he really expects pence to have his back on this: >> i hope mike pence comes through for us. i have to tell you. (applause) i hope that our great vice president-- our great vice president-- comes through for us. he's a great guy. of course, if he doesn't come through, i won't like him quite as much. >> stephen: if this were an after-school special, this is the part where we would tell mike pence that if the president says he won't like you unless you give him what he wants, then he doesn't really care about you! he should like you for who you are. although, we understand why he wouldn't, because who you are is mike pence. thousands of maga protesters stormed the capitol building. it's a horrifying day that will go down in u.s. history... however much longer that is. now, in case you were wondering what kind of americans would try to violently overthrow the government, you guessed it: it's this kind. is it just me, or does that thing always seem to show up at only the worst events?

that seems meaningful f you're mike pence and you hear your service detail saying that about the hazard you were in, i just wonder if that moves the needle in terms of his decision making. also, legally, what does that do to the case that is being built by the doj as far as the actions of certain individuals on january 6? >> it dove tails with his chief of staff's testimony. that also said that he had anticipated there might be serious threats against the vice president's life because trump would turn against had him on january 6. so if that is the ok, at least in terms of the criminal case that could be mounted against trump, one of the clearest cases is the pressure campaign on pence. if he knew that pressure campaign on pence was included in that, use of violence, threat, implicit threat of violence and within pence's authority to do anything but count the votes, then i think that's one of the lowest hanging fruits for the justice department and then to have people like this come forward, i think that also puts something in the mind of mike pence. he has to think, look, these are the

rioters he knew were armed, and he was essentially cheering them on as they tried to find and kill mike pencect, he even tweeted angrily at pence as the mob was moving through the capitol looking for pence, providing further fuel to the insurrection and today, we found out more about what was going on behind the scenes as that happened. >> the witnesses are former deputy national security advisor matt pottinger and former deputy white house press secretary sarah matthews, both of whom resigned on january 6th. sources say pottinger is expected to paint a picture of chaos in the west wing, punctuated by the president's tweet attacking pence. >> that's where i knew that i was leaving that day, once i read that tweet. >> matthews is expected to testify how alarmed she was that trump refused to quickly call off the mob after the violence erupted. >> we thought that the president needed to tweet something and tweet something immediately. >> seth: i'm always amazed by these people who thought they were working for a normal president right up until january 6th. it must be super easy to throw surprise

. >> they're debating still about subpoenaing former vice president, mike pence. i imagine if they subpoena him and he says yes, probably have to get to another hearing. >> you've got to imagine that's true. this is a group of lawmakers that have been very nimble. when a group of information comes up, they're willing to present it in most compelling way possible. the conversations around pence are so different than those around whether or not donald trump would come in. every member i've talked to about this is aware of the fact that donald trump is different than mike pence. especially when you have mike pence saying if he were subpoenaed, he would entertain talking to him and liz cheney said they are still having conversations with mike pence's counsel over whether or not he's going to come in. they've also still got to answer the question of what about those republican lawmakers who come to work every day in this building and buck their subpoenas. >> denver, any date yet for ginni thomas? >> no date yet. just keep being told coming weeks. >> thank you very much

that is donald trump himself, and mike pence. they will eventually either make a formal request for both of them to come in or issue a subpoena for both of them to come in. i don't know how you get to the end of this investigation without at least attempting to do those interviews. they may get rebuffed. certainly, i don't think donald trump will come in willingly. but i do think it could get there, and they have to show the public they tried as hard as they could to speak with both pence and trump eventually. >> so, you know, seeing that they haven't formally asked him, are they sort of trying to build the case as strongly as possible before they put that out there, as far as getting trump to testify? >> well, umm, to get trump to testify, it may be impossible. but i do think it may well be -- with some of the staffers and committee members. this has been a matter of debate the entire time about asking trump to come in and testify. he, you know, some view it as distraction to their work that there's a big spectacle to get trump

to discuss today when they meet, deciding whether or not they will formally invite donald trump, mike pence, his vice president, to testify before the committee. there is not really an expectation here as my reporting colleagues on capitol hill have really learned. there's not an expectation that trump and pence will sit for an interview, but they do want to create a historical record of some kind, at least potentially making that request. >> jen, how important do you think that request is? >> for pence, i think it's important. he has information they legitimately need and have so they should make that request. trump maybe is just for show, maybe saying they gave him an opportunity for him to say what he wants to say. there's no way he will testify nor should he testify. that one for me is for appearance's sake. >> there's a difference between making a formal request that they voluntarily testify versus subpoenaing testimony, right? is there any reason not to subpoena mike pence, for example? we know in the past others who were trump allies or considered to be close to the former administra

people should never forget that what donald trump was pressuring mike pence to do was illegal. it was unconstitutional. because of the gravity of what happened, the direct threat to the republic that he has an all the geisha to come and talk to the committee, i think executive privilege is a crucial part of our constitutional framework. it's not absolute. cheney was also asked last night whether the committee is still interested in speaking with former president donald trump, whether that would be necessary to complete the investigation. she says that he interaction donald trump will have the committee will be under oath so as we get closer to this wednesday hearing day the, committee does know that there is a high bar of expectations they need to meet to break through the current news cycle in the more than two months it's been since the committees last public hearing the new cycle has just been dominated about headlines of the former president so they know that there's a very high bar to really make news and have some revelations come out of this -- >> alley, quick follow-up,

a mob chanted, "hang mike pence."th him at the capitol x you said if the rioters had gotten closer, there would have been a massacre. much of the media say that trump incited that riot and did the little to stop it. is that fair given the 187 minutes of inaction on the 6th? >> well, i think, howie, i think there's a fair question about what the president was doing during that time period to quell it. but i think it is unfair to suggest, in my opinion, that he wanted that riot to occur at the capitol. i don't believe that, and i think that that was more of a combustion of a lot of factors at the time. and i do think that the secret service did an amazing job that day, and they should be commended for the way they protected not just the vice president, but his family and staff around him. howard: you've testified before the grand jury in the trump probe, given a deposition in the january 6th committee. i've noticed that you don't criticize president trump directly. you say he was poorly served by people feeding him cons

neeghtser mike pence -- neither mike pence doing what every vice president in the history has done nor lawful constitutional objections being filed caused a mob to attack. and clarifying those responsibilities won't prevent another mob. that's why this bill won't even see the light of day over in the senate. and why we should have used the bipartisan senate version as a starting point. maybe then we could actually enact some necessary updates to improve and clarify the certification process and focus on the big unanswered problem. the security of the capitol. bad actors by definition don't follow the law. so any changes made to the electoral count act aren't a silver bullet. as i've been saying this entire congress, we need to be focused on why the capitol was left so unprotected on that day in january. why was a mob able to breach one of the most significant buildings on our planet? i invite all of my democratic colleagues to work with me to improve the security of this building and the people it holds. that that's how we prevent another attack. i urge my colleagues to oppose this bil

former vice president mike pence supporting the move. though tonight, several other high profile republicans trying to distance themselves from the idea. rachel scott on the hill. >>> there is breaking news at this hour. yet again involved r. kelly tonight. >>> the new tropical threat we're tracking that could affect the u.s. in the east. >>> and the queen in her own words tonight on her crown. >>> good evening and it's great to have you with us here on a wednesday night. we do have a lot to get to tonight. this country now bracing for a potential nationwide rail strike. what could this mean for prices on nearly everything? and what those workers are demanding tonight. but we begin with queen elizabeth leaving buckingham palace for the final time. at this hour, the long lines. they predict they will be several miles long, as the british people now file past her casket in westminster hall. this will continue until next monday morning, the day of the queen's funeral. the day's journey beginning at buckingham palace. members of the processi

trying to murder mike pence. ( laughter ) and the first part of today's hearing focused on the now- infamousto have pence just reject biden's electors out of hand. that was concocted by disgraced lawyer and cotton swab seeing where you're about to stick him... ( laughter ) john eastman. according to the committee today, eastman knew his theory was complete b.s. and to prove that, they called pence's former lawyer and man who has no problem with the "hearing" part of congressional hearings... ( laughter ) greg jacob. now, mr. jacob recalled what he said to eastman about a vice president being able to name who won the election. >> "john, back in 2000, you weren't jumping up and saying al gore had this authority to do that. you would not want kamala harris to be able to exercise that kind of authority in 2024 when, i hope, republicans will win the election, and i know you hope that, too, john." and he said, "absolutely. al gore did not have a basis to do it in 2000. kamala harris shouldn't be able to do it in 2024. but i think you should do it today." >> stephen: well... ( audience reacts ) it'

by president mike pence's staff to. i think it shows his level of concern. >> another investigation into the former president this is involving seized documents in his mar-a-lago home. a new poll by abc news that shows that 50% of americans believe president trump should be charged with crimes for handling classified documents. how are you ranking the chances of the former president in charge. we're not talking about if he's going to jail, we're talking about being charged. >> these numbers are striking. these should never be a reason for prosecution. phone numbers are in a sense political. prosecution should never be political. it should be independent judgment of a prosecutor elected or appointed. that's really the point here. no prosecutor state or federal at their core really wants to take on a prosecution like this. it is one thing to have probable cause to execute a search warrant. it's entirely different to know if they can prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt against one of the more elusive defendants be a

mike pence, were you afraid for your life? no. why you were in the basement?u on the phone? did he call you the p-word? he can't go in, because he can't lie to congress, but he -- to tell the truth. >> i might disagree with jackie here. i think for that reason, maybe at the end of the day, the committee does not want him to come forward. he is not going to be the kind of witness that is helpful in a case, when a prosecutor thinks about having a witness that is being cooperative and getting credit for their cooperation and they have an incentive to tell the story, versus someone who is there only pursuant to a subpoena who will answer questions as if you are pulling their teeth. you might get a yes or a no, but not a lot of collaboration. you could kind of damage the impression of what we currently have, having heard from his aides, a very realistic view about just how dire that situation was that day, and what the role of donald trump was and what the role of mike pence was. now, i do think he would need to testify in a criminal case. because you need first-ha

he said if vice president mike pence comes through we will win the presidency. which the president bullied and belittled the vice president for refusing to go along with his potential coup. >> i don't remember if he said you are a wimp, wimp is the word i remember. >> it's also been reported that the president said to the vice president that something to the effect of you don't have the courage to make a hard decision. >> worse. i don't remember exactly but something like that. yeah. >> soon after the call ended, trump would repeat his dangerous lies and put a target on vice president pence. >> i hope mike is going to do the right thing. i hope so. and mike pence is going to have to come through for us. >> as that speech neared the end, inside the capitol. >> the senate and house of representatives are meeting in joint session to verify the certificates and count the votes of the electors. >> but outside, headed their way. >> i got three men walking down the street carrying ar-15s. that you should be empowered to shop when you want, where you want, wearing whate

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i think obviously mike pence understands the importance of that day, he lived that day, i think there vice president testifying about personal conversations with the president. vice president pence wrote open letters to the american people explaining his decision that were published on january 6th. he was very open, he was following the constitution, but if a vice president is forced to testify about personal conversations it could change the role of vice president forever. >> didn't he suggest that he was open to it? >> he'd look at it if he got a formal invitation, but i think there were severe constitutional questions about that kind of testimony. >> meanwhile, we have, donald trump made some comments to hugh hewitt that were quite eerie, saying terrible things would happen to cuntry if he were indicted. what's your sense how worried a message like that plays? >> i think there's real concern, certainly in washington law enforcement about the effect of donald trump ginning up people like that. it's why i think the constitutional issues with the mike pence going before the committee

if you watched our hearings closely, you know that mike pence was essentially the president for mostof that day. white house staff knew it, so did every other republican and democratic leader leigh washington. ho -- in washington. how could donald trump's refusal to act, his betrayal of our republic, our constitution, our principles, come with no costs? many of the same elected officials who rationalize donald trump's conduct also continue to spread the toxic lie that the 2020 election was stolen. even though they know that is a line. for anyone who is remotely on the fence about that issue, i urge you to download and watch our second hearing from the select committee last june. listen to what the republicans on president trump's campaign in his justice department, his might house -- white house, listen to what they all said. they said his claims were false. they were complete bs. he knew it, they told him, we all knew it. we also, today, are watching members of my party excuse trump's decision to ignore the rulings of more than 60 courts, as if those rulings were irrelevant. apparen

cnn is reporting they're considering whether to call mike pence and donald trump to testify.e's any reason to believe that either person will, but beyond that, what is there? >> i think there's a couple of pieces, john. one is we have not heard a ton from the committee about something that i know that they have been focused on in their work, which is questions about how seriously the 25th amendment was considered if really at all by trump cabinet officials beyond it sort of being thrown around in that first day. i think that's one piece of their work. i think another obvious piece of their work is trying to figure out exactly what was happening in the lead up to the attack. they have a ton of testimony, but they've also had a ton of people who have said to them executive privilege or people who wouldn't testify at all. i think that for the huge volume of work they've done -- and we've seen it in these hearings, i think they still feel as if there are key gaps that they need to fill in. i think getting trump to testify i think is probably not something that they're really bank

and mike pence called me and said, "well, what are we going to do?"'m like, "i think we're going to have to issue rolling economic sanctions against the state of indiana." [laughter] and he's like, "well, what does that mean?" i'm like, "i don't know, but i think it's gonna be bad." and he's like, "well, what should we do?" i'm like, "why don't we just resolve this? you know, we know each other. this is not that hard." and, in fact, i sent two of my employees to his office. and within a coue days, it was worked out. he changed the law, and it was all behind us. and by the way, i think that's how it should work anyway. you know, it was very easy. [applause] david: now, you did a similar thing not long ago when, in san francisco, there was a tax that was proposed to help pay for homelessness, which is a big problem in san francisco. most ceos in the tech world said, this was crazy. "we're against it." you said you're supporting it, and you lobbied for it, and it was actually passed. why did you get so involved? marc: so we've been working for years to d

mike pence for a specific reason and joe biden picked for a specific reason.ctually who barack obama wanted. this is the person that will deliver us a win against john mccain. barack obama and bill clinton very special people, charisma, way they connect with people is almost unrivalled. there is going to be jealousy. same thing at a party. everyone wants to talk to that person. they make you feel like the most important person. so magnetic, so charismatic. i am not going to reduce it to the friendship bracelets. >> harris: who else has that magnetism. in that room that would be charlie. >> jessica: charlie for president. >> kayleigh: it is an understatement. obama said shoot me now when biden was talking, old school, condescending at best. guy can talk and talk. obama reported as saying. >> carlie: i am sure all of that is true. i get so tired of listening to barack obama complain about joe biden. you have nobody to blame but yourself! joe biden laughed off the political stage. he run for president multiple times, caught lying each time. everybody found him in

>> no, i'm telling you what mike pence is. i think if you go back to the time he was a house leader, it's because during the bush years, when there was a lot of expansive spending, mike pence is only one of a handful of republicans who is consistent in voting against republican priorities like medicare expansion, like the wall street bailout, like no child left behind. he was the conservative calling republicans back to their standard. and that's what he's always been and is going to continue to be. >> what is the sense of how the raid on mar-a-lago or the search of the former president's home in mar-a-lago, how has that impacted the behind the scenes thinking for republicans who are thinking about challenging him? i mean, the trump team blassed o out today a several weeks old story about how desantis fell in polls against trump because the raid happened. >> i think there is truth to that. i think it energized republican support behind donald trump because they felt like there had been an out of control state here. think about

he chose mike pence as his running mate. he released a list of conservative names of potential conservative justices. it wasn't even a choice. host: let's hear from robin, cleveland, tennessee. caller: i am calling from the bible belt. i want to ask mr. perkins the invasion to local christian, all you need to hear about the religion. i am wondering at this point what values do evangelical christians have that anybody would want to follow? they are big liars, racist, you go along with any dirty low-down thing donald trump does. the black church don't do that. the black church is true. they say if you a liar you burn in a lake of fire. so how do you justify following a racist, lying criminal and call yourself christian? guest: first off, it is the policies. when you look at the policies and what actually came out of the trump administration i make no apologies for supporting donald trump. when you look at the fact that he one of his first actions was to issue a reinstatement of the mexico city policy which would expand it to m

and olivia troy served as former koubt terrorism adviser to mike pence. so paul, the appellate court said the judge wasn't wrong on some of the points. they went point by point by point and said she was basically wrong on all of them. what's your take on this ruling? >> sometimes even when a judge's decision gets reversed, the i pelt lat court is sympathetic and says this was a hard case and the judge's mistake was understandable. that's not the message the circuit wanted to send to judge cannon. the court was emphatic that the judge abused her discretion in a way that puts our national security at risk. and the appellate court said trump's lawyers don't get to look at the classified materials that the fbi seized at mar-a-lago. so this has been a horrendous week, legally speaking, for donald trump and a really good week for the rule of law. >> let's talk about ha that means for the investigation specifically. what happens to those classified documents at the center of it now? >> so those documents have been in a secure facility since they were taken from

to show where the party is at, almost immediately after the court overturned row, mike pence abortion is illegal everywhere. that means a nationwide ban does not leave it up to the states. 'double lunches this last night's tank national abortion ban is profoundly more important in republican-t short-term interest rate that's part of the republican party. new stuff parts of the rights. even if someone like pence is not always get along with trump feels compelled to say that extreme to take that extreme position. lest we forget focused nearly every senate republican nearly every senate republican party voted patient national abortion bands in 2020, in 2018, 2015. one of these about specific consent of colette handpiece the nationwide ban again yesterday, said quote these pieces of legislation will continue to be advanced until they pass. how do we know republicans up at a national c abortion ban on the floor if they control the senate? not only because technically i'm committed to doing it, they have done it before. three times and they will do it again if they get the majority. in amer

expected to discuss whether they should ask former president donald, trump and former president mike pencetestify. for more, i want to bring in senior legal analyst, -- , and julia cayenne. good evening to both of you. so, jennifer, they're going to debate whether they should ask trump and pence to testify. do you really think either of them would? or is this just so they could get on the record that they asked? >> certainly trump will not, he has criminal exposure. we know that he's [inaudible] so he would not appear. if he did, he would plead the fifth. so that's more of a political thing. pence, they have a legitimate reason to ask for. and i think that he will delay also. i don't think he'll want to appear. he made that pretty clear. but he has actual legitimate testimony that he ought to give. so that, i think is a request that the committee ought to me. >> yes, julia, some members say that it's all about putting the invitation on the record and they're still debating whether to criminally referred him to the -- at the end of this. it will be important to ask him to speak it if they d

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if i were going to brief my former boss, mike pence, i would inform the original classifier that thisi would return the document for the safe, and like he said, a safe within a security office usually -- i mean, it is security within a classified facility. this is the level of effort that goes into this. so i can tell you, in terms of the former vice president, the briefer, anyone who would go in, would come with a briefcase, unlock it, then read, lock up the information, then leave. nothing would be left behind, but that's not the same experience i saw with donald trump. certainly now we're seeing the extent, and the people who serve in this community, the fact that it is damaging to our country, and puts lives at risk, and the fact he just has a plain disregard and thinking he's above the law, apparently. >> where did you see documents, in your experience? you wrote about this. >> yes, i found them in the ladies' room. i picked them up, walked direct li to security, said i have just found them, i don't know how long they've been here. i walked them up here, i covered them in a close

going on at the capitol, all sorts of senior officials in the white house including vice president mike pence as far as the rigged election goes, you have republicans putting up candidates against other republicans who defend the rigged election idea so is endorsed by mike pence and mike pompeo, governor bryan kemp of georgia, governor doug ducey of arizona put their careers at risk by imposing the rigged election narrative so what joe biden did i think was over the top, hyper- partisan speech, unfortunate to see the u.s. president delivering something like that in advance of ele election. paul: i want to get your take on this speech, to but i also, my own view is the strategy of this speech is basically one main goal, to elevate donald trump in the election, to make this election about fundamentally donald trump versus democrats. what you make of that? >> no doubt you are right about that. i think it's a few months since president biden rolled out the term maga republicans, it clearly seems to be something they focused, the idea of labeling the entire republican party with donald trump and s

on the capitol steps saying that the president said to go home or, you know, the president said mike pence is a traitor, let's get him. it is clear. and he knows very well that these people will do whatever he says. so in my opinion, it was another call to arms because he is getting nervous and it is disgusting and once again i'm waiting for republican leadership to start saying now there is no room for violence. i mean, we're ramping up, we've got how many investigations going now. so it is scary to me. i hate hearing that rhetoric. and i hope -- i don't really think, but i hope that people will step up and say let's let this play out. >> and "live olivia, having worr mike pence, i suppose you understand what trump is saying here? >> absolutely. and we've seen it before. what he is trying to do is intimidation, trying to scare americans. that is what he is trying to do. he is trying to message and say he is above the law and i don't want toccountable. >> and sending a message to the justice department too. >> exactly. this is what he does. >> and stephanie, let me ask you about the new bo

so, hannah, you've also got mike pompeo and mike pence, the mikes, who are spiking the football hopingthe gop nomination. what do you think? >> i think nobody's asking for my -- any of this. i kind of laughed when it said that pete buttigieg was waiting for the call. the only call is his own ego. the democrats can't win without the black vote. it's dead on arrival. so that's just absurd. i think with mike pompeo, he's a very forgettable person. he's a neo-con, he's a war monger, and that's not where the gop is anymore, thank god. that's one of the good evolutions we've seen. i don't think any of this is actually based in reality, and i think it's kind of a sad portrait of where we are in our political system where there's just not a very deep bench of the left, and many on the right are going to crowd out people that could be better for americans. kennedy: so is there anyone in the two with major parties that you like at this point, hannah? >> yeah, rand paul, all day. all day long. he has held the line on multiple issues, the number one people fighting to get us information on the ori