mike pence says that is the rule of law. he wants to clearly be april of law candidate, and he says he will not pardon. those that's a lot of space between him and trump. the other is on the ukraine war, and that point, mike pence made a very, very strong defense of supporting ukraine. really, there is no daylight between what he was describing and what the current administration is doing in terms of providing substantial support to ukraine. there is no indication to a future president trump do the same. i would observe from interviewing chris christie today that chris christie and mike pence are aligned on both at those issues when it comes to law and order and january six and also support for ukraine. we will have more on the pitch that vice president pence made and is making two republican voters in iowa and across the nation. that is next. retinol overnight means... the smoothing benefits of retinol.. are e now for your whole body. plus, fast-working crepe corrector diminishes wrinkleled skin in just two days. gold bond.

well, mike pence says he is praying for donald trump.is christie called him out as, quote, lonely, self consumed, self serving, -- i think this afternoon he used the expression with you that he was a spoiled baby. let's say for the record that mike pence is ahead of chris christie. chris christie has a lot of work ahead of him. but the republican sources that i need to see a role for chris christie in this campaign. because they think he can go on this stage and take it to donald trump in a way that nobody else can. certainly not to mike pence. >> and one of the things, i read a great color by jonah goldberg, one of our contributors who writes for the dispatch. and the overton window has something to do, with like, somebody when you open the overton window, one you can, that you are making something more acceptable. i don't know this but i am 24 people at home. the overton window. and what jones argument was is that chris christie is going to expand the overton window as to what is acceptable to say about donald trump. >> yeah, i mean, h

mike pence. a lot of people say i look like him. no, he looks like me. remember i'm older. ok. today i can't be more proud than to be here and stand with my brother in this race that he is starting off today. [applause] mr. pence: michael as i know him, mike pence as the rest of the world knows t. he's a wonderful man. no other republican in this field has the ability to defeat joe biden other than my brother. he will turn our country around and he will be the next president of the united states starting today. [applause] somebody asked me if my brother has changed for the times or the times are watching up with him. michael has always said i'm christian, conservative, and republican. and i'm not mad about it. in that order. that's the type of man we need today in 2023. on issues of life, liberty, and loyalty to our constitution mike doesn't actually talk the talk, we have seen him lead here at home and around the world. mike is a man who will unflinchingly stand his post. if you are a veteran li

mike pence is in political— alluding to. mike pence is in political purgatory.al purgatory. in the pre— trump era he would be a strong — pre— trump era he would be a strong candidate to win the nomination for the republican party, — nomination for the republican party, a — nomination for the republican party, a former member of congress, former governor, vice president. — congress, former governor, vice president, christian evangelical, perfectly made for iowa _ evangelical, perfectly made for iowa but — evangelical, perfectly made for iowa but that is not whether republican party is today with donald — republican party is today with donald trump in its froze. even today— donald trump in its froze. even today alone, every time mike pence — today alone, every time mike pence tried to define himself ended — pence tried to define himself ended up contradicting himself because — ended up contradicting himself because of about donald trump. everywhere he goes it keeps bumping into him. at a town hall— bumping into him. at a town hall meeting today, he was saying _ ha

if intent was so key in determining no charges against mike pence, where does intent fit into the bidennvestigation. >> start with biden. seems to be somewhat similar to the pence situation. did a voluntary search and disclosed he had documents, and denied that he knew that he had the documents and pence similarly denied that, and sort of vindicated by doj. and dr. is different, because he knew that he had classified documents, and he has acknowledged that. and the intent, and the new reporting of paula and team shed light on that, because we know that he held these classified documents, and use it to influence some of the political news coverage of him and did he know that he had the documents, for sure. and what was the intent. >> and so there is a special counsel investigating president biden, and so does that mean that there needs to be a much longer investigation by the doj. nobody wants a special investigation, but they are doing nothing more than anybody else, because they are doing it in the same way of the investigation of mike pence. there are administrative differences here n

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mike pence? the real mike pence, now disguised as donald trump, have to chase him down and prove his true identity? and if that was the plan, and we suspect it was - [ light laughter ] it backfired spectacularly, because they forgot one thing. mike pence can catch donald trump, because mike pence runs like this [ laughter and applause in reality, the biden and pence revelations show that this is a lot more commonplace than most of us realized, and that if trump had just given the documents back when asked, there wouldn't have been a problem instead he lied and obstructed for over a year. that's what makes his case different. that and the fact that he probably had top secret documents stuffed inside - >> chick-fil-a bags on the floor. [ laughter ] >> seth: this has been "a closer look." ♪ [ cheers and applause we'll be right back with alex wagner, everybody [ cheers and applause ♪ (vo) consnsumer repororts evaluatates vehiclcles for c ppers s in... reliabilility, safetety, ownr satisfacaction, and

mike pence is already well—known to voters, and yet he is still trailing badly in the polls behind trump candidates like pence who get into the race, the more they split that anti—trump vote. and the easier they could make it for mr trump to win the nomination. these voters did not get to hear from trump himself but skipping this event doesn't seem to undermine his support. can i ask you, have you decided who you are supporting for the nomination? who i'm supporting? trump. yeah? yeah. or desantis. i'd go for either one but trump first i think. well, i voted for president trump last time. i love his policies. the name—calling has got to stop. pence is definitely one - of the guys i'm looking at. i think he needs to be a little bit stronger but i think— if you are going to be i the president, you got to have a little bit - of the bulldog in you. mike pence will do what he can to attract attention. straddling a harley—davidson, if that is what it takes. in a very congested race, it's still candidates like him versus the absent donald trump, and it is the former president who still is clear

mike pence is in a fix.er it is was, he was loyal on the verge being obsequious. and then he did a very courageous thing. and he has managed to tick people off on both sides of the donald trump debate. people very loyal to donald trump think he was a traitor. people who watched over the four years give him credit for what he did, but still hold him accountable for essentially being an apologist for trump over the four years. it's a very tough place to be. >> scott, what do you expect? >> well, i think i'd like to know whether mike pence would pardon donald trump. to me, it's fairly obvious that he's likely i guess to hedge, to be indicted that might lead to a conviction. i think it's a relevant question and probably ongoing in the primary. i think pence is in a different argument spot than say desantis. desantis' argument against trump is we have to end the culture of losing. the argument mike pence made today is he violated his oath of office and cannot and must not be returned to the white house that is no

crowd chanting: hang mike pence!e" was the cry from rioters who stormed the rioters who stormed the capitol onjanuary 6. now, defying donald trump and defending the constitution is a campaign pitch. i believe that anyone who puts themselves over the constitution should never be president of the united states. mr pence is on much safer ground in iowa, which will be the first state to pick a republican presidential nominee. also gripping and grinning with voters is florida governor ron desantis, senator tim scott — in fact, eight presidential candidates were all under the same roof last weekend. i want to say to you with deep conviction that god is not done with america yet. mike pence is already well—known to voters, and yet he is still trailing badly in the polls behind donald trump, the clear frontrunner. who knows? the more candidates like pence who get into the race, the more they split that anti—trump vote, and the easier they could make it for mr trump to win the nomination. these voters didn't get to hearfrom t

and mike pence is the person who they believe is the person for iowa. this is a place where pence has almost universal name id. republicans all know him. he was in congress as a conservative member. it's here in the living rooms and diners of iowa that retail politics, winning votes, hand shake by hand shake where pence will excel. and it is here with the midwestern values and deep faith they believe that mike pence will align with the caucus members in iowa. they say that won't be the case for mike pence. he drifted into i will relevant vancy since the 2022 campaign. there are iowans that are persuadable, 75 to 80%, and that persuasion begins for mike pence today. he's not the only one jumping into the race. and now joining my colleague in north dakota. >> yeah, good morning to you from fargo, north dakota. two-term conservative governor doug bergam will ent they are crowded republican primary. arguing that this race could use someone from this part of the country. his pitch will focus on the economy, energy policy, and national security. he's not incli

mike pence joins his former boss donald trump. who said nice things about him and former new jersey governor chris christie just launched his campaign yesterday and the former president did pick out the fact that chris christie he says, watch chris christie will go after the spiralling governor desantis. i think he will go after president trump >> ainsley: he said he's willing to take on the front-runner, desantis is willing, too. chris christie is someone to watch, someone we enjoy hearing. his sound bites can be colorful. he's not afraid. remember in 2016, he was yelling at someone who stood up and he yelled back at them. he is always interesting, can he beat donald trump? he wasn't able to in 2016, not sure he will get traction. >> steve: it is 517 days until the election. >> ainsley: the countdown is on. >> steve: absolutely. it is interesting, going back to former vice president mike pence, what they're trying to do and if the former vice president is watching, happy birthday, 64 today. his team -- >> ainsley: you said he is

look, there is no question mike pence is conservative. i enjoyed working with him when i was in congress. but again, he has four years is a lot of things to disentangle yourself from and so that will be a problem with a large part of voters. how does that help in november? we have to make sure we're putting somebody up who can appeal to independents and conservative democrats. that's the opportunity. joe biden's numbers are terrible. he is one of the worst polling at this time of any president. that's the opportunity for republicans and we have to make sure that we are putting forward a good candidate. we have to make sure we're making the case for a modern republican party. and i don't know if there are many candidates making that case. >> julie: look at joe biden. mark, he campaigned as a moderate but not a moderate whatsoever. i think this country would like to see a moderate. it is hard to trust what we are electing into office these days. >> well, i think that's right. i think that the country has wanted a moderate for a long time. a

crowd shouting: hang mike pence!was the cry from writers who stormed the rioters who stormed the capital. now defending the constitution is a campaign pitch. i believe anyone who puts themselves over the constitution should never be president of the united states. anyone who asks someone else to put themselves over the constitution should never be president of the united states again. mr pence is in much safer ground in iowa which will be the first state to make a presidential nominee. also gaining with voters is ron desantis, senator tim scott and eight presidential candidates under the same roof. god is not down with america yet. mike pence is already well—known to voters, and yet he is still trailing badly in the polls behind donald trump, the clear frontrunner. who knows, the more candidates like mike pence who get into the race, the more they split that anti—trump vote and the easier they could make it for mrtrump to win the nomination. these voters didn't get to hearfrom trump himself but is giving this event.

this is when an attorney for mike pence found about a dozen documents marked classified in mike pence's possession. evan perez and katelyn polantz is with us. i am going to you first, kate. >> well, it is clear that the justice department is not bringing any criminal charges related to the discovery of classified records or records with the classified markings with them in the possession of former vice president mike pence. what happened to start this investigation, buzz that back in january, a lawyer had gone to pence's home in indianapolis to make sure that he had no records after he left the vice presidency. they found a dozen of documents there with classified markings on them, and called federal government and got them back into the hands of the fbi. after that, there were fbi searches of both mike pence's home in indiana to make sure there were no others, and they recovered one, and then a search of the office in washington, d.c., but then, fast forward a couple of months and not is a very long time when those searches took place in february of this year, mike pence's team did rec

>> mike pence, he's a good and honorable man, but i think mike pence is trying to stake out his own lane run as a traditional, conservative republican, socially very conservative, trying to appeal to evangelicals and frankly, i think that's a difficult road at this point. especially mike pence is well-known on the abortion issue for example. he'll take the hardest position of all the candidates. not a great issue, frankly n a general election, and i don't think it's that great an issue in the republican primary. i think he's going to have a difficult time finding a lane. also, like the other candidates, they need to draw a sharp contrast with donald trump. mike pence is going to have to do that. he has been so tied to donald trump, but for post 2020 election when mike pence stood up and did the right thing. that's going to be mike pence's challenge. as was just stated by vaughn, these candidates can't try to battle themselves for second place. they have to go against the lead candidate. that's donald trump. fighting with each other, winning second place is really not a victory at all. yo

it's a tough thing to do but i have faith in mike pence.diana, the real part! that's actually right. also, he knows the former president very well. he served alongside him and kamala harris was passed with healing the border as the border jargon and she's done a horrible job, mike pence, he was tasked up and come up with vaccines and operation warp speed. >> what i appreciate is all about that in a inevitable calm and peace that will have with him, as a gop border, i don't want in a tizzy domestic crew. i like to hear those policies and differentiation clearly, without me feeling like i'm sort of in the battle. save the battle for against democrats and one against these candidates. perhaps a refreshing welcome antidote to that might be the former vice president. >> kennedy just made really good point that he was the calming hand with the corn verse task force when the vaccines were rolled out. history will show the operation warp speed was a huge success. the wall street journal is making a point about that he was in the room, kayleigh know

mike pence michael after trump on abortion.p is a little more liberal in that regard but he did appoint three supreme court justices that overturn roe v wade. it is a great question because we are looking at a field that is very much like it was in 2016 it is shaping up to be 10 candidates maybe 15 candidates that voters what to know. tell us exactly what your policy differences are the former president. the reason it is so difficult to particulate between gop primary voters is a lot of those voters frankly like trumps policy. that does not leave a lot of room for someone like mike pence days to appeal to the base of trump conservative voters and bring in enough moderates to distinguish himself. eric: the former vice president has also talked extensively about january 6 going down to that loading dock refusing to leave the capitol. wanting to fulfill his constitutional duty. he has been hailed to someone who stood fast with the democracy in our country by what he did by certifying the election. how does he navigate the trump ba

you've been looking at mike pence, his odds and the historic nature of a former vp running against ance starts at. this was the monmouth poll from a week ago here. trump the leader right now, desantis the only other candidate in double digits and then the former vice president mike pence at 3%. he starts out 40 points behind his former boss. the other liability pence brings, they're asking favorable or unfavorable. what's your impression of these candidates. note that number for mike pence, 35% unfavorable, that's the second worst number of this republican field. second only to chris christie. 47% of republicans view christie unfavorably. pence and christie by far with the highest unfavorable scores against republicans. january 6th all the things that trump said about mike pence betraying him, there does seem to be a segment of the republican party that feels that way and agrees with donald trump. for a strategy, he launched in iowa and talked about iowa in the opening sentence of his speech right there. it is to go after the social conservative, evangelical christians in the iowa cau

it's the same mike pence but a different g.o.p. and it's a different g.o.p. ng to try run on. you know, he can say he is a solid conservative. nobody would dispute that. but the field is fuel of solid conservatives. view not different from mike pence's views despite the "new york times'" assertions that the party has gone completely different. it hasn't entirely at all. if you are running to be the alternative to trump, ache solid traditional conservative is where you want to be. there are lots of people that can make that claim e also likes to talk, does pence, about the achievements the administration which he serves, the problem is, of course, he does that without mentioning the name of the president and mr. trump. hard to run on the accomplish. s of the trump administration when you are running against trump himself. so i think it's a quandary for him. i'm interested to see how he tries to deal with it. >> trace: a bit of a quandary. steven a. smith said this to sean hannity about president biden's run. >> i'm looking at him and i don't like what i see. i'

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mike pence is mike pencing.tical sideshow of complete double-talk and contradiction. in other ways, it's quite significant. he is running for president today. it's not often you see a former running mate going up against the person that was his president in a subsequent election. that's a hard political trick to pull off even without everything else that went down between these two. pence launching a campaign and as you just saw there embracing trump but then also -- i mentioned thisarlier in the broadcast, as a political matter, while running and talking to republicans, who he needs to win over, pence tried out this argument about january 6. >> january 6 was a tragic day in the life of our nation. on that day, president trump also demanded that i choose between him and the constitution. now, voters will be faced with the same choice. i chose the constitution. [ applause ] and i always will. >> as they say in washington, no, dog, nobody is buying this. as a factual matter, republicans and trump maga fans don't b

i'm -- i don't know if it's just as nen as mike pence. the argument that because pence wasn't charged he shouldn't be charged either. and by the way, margaret, this is not the only case he could be facing this summer. >> that is a good point. that is also true. but look, the former president is in a completely different level of legal jeopardy than political jeopardy. the base of the republican party is not developing how they view his conduct with records on the basis of legal briefs or what the constitution said or, you know, what the legal analysis of his responsibilities are. they're basing it on news coverage on conservative outlets and on the idea there is a distrust of the establishment or there is traction to this idea inside of the base that the fbi is gone left on -- on politics or something like that. that is completely different than whether he has actually put himself in legal jeopardy because of this conduct. i think you condition look at what jack smith is going to be or what the findings are going to be and say how that wou

mike pence is many thins but you make of this? mike pence is many things but he — you make of this?nce is many things but he won't _ you make of this? mike pence is many things but he won't be _ you make of this? mike pence is many things but he won't be president - you make of this? mike pence is many things but he won't be president or . things but he won't be president or the republican nominee. that's pretty conclusive. well, here we are. many assumed mike pence was a perfect candidate before donald trump, a christian conservative which really matters in iowa, especially on the republican side, pre—trump, but she's not that any more. the republican party has been hijacked by donald trump and he is in a very distant third place right now with little prospect of winning up. he would have to win iowa, he won't do that. and you heard through his speech today, he is trying to thread a needle and showing where he is different from trump, he's an old school republican, fiscal conservative, yet he did everything trump ask them to do every day for four years except onjanuary six. he is a

but mike pence cannot escape from four years of servile loyalty as vice president. >> mike pence is goinghave come through a -- for us. if he doesn't, that will be a sad day for our country. >> until he reviews to block joe biden from becoming president. -- refused to block joe biden from going president. >> writers called for him to be hung. -- rioters called for him to be hung. defending the constitution is now a campaign pitch. >> anyone who puts themselves over the constitution should never be president of the united states and anyone who asks someone else to put them over the constitution should never be president of the united states again. >> mr. pentz is on much safer graph if i want will be the first state to pick a republican nominee. also competing is ron desantis, and in fact, eight candidates were under the same roof last weekend. >> god is not done with america get. -- yes. >> mike pence is a well-known vote -- well-known to voters but is trailing badly in the polls behind donald trump. more candidates like pencil get into the race, the more they split that antitrust vote an

you used to work for the former vice president mike pence.ing this bet that there are enough remnants of the old version of the republican party, where he can still gain some peel, what's your sense of it? >> i think that mike pence is going to make a very strong case. i think it's going to be a similar lane to what we've seen from tim scott looking to run, and nikki haley. and keep in mind with vice president pence, he goes into the race as somebody who can say, on day one, i'm ready to be president. he's held head of state meetings, he's traveled all over the world as the representative of the u.s. government. he's been a governor, the credentialing is all there. what's going to be, he's got a number of challenges i think that to that stand to me at this point art, how do you diffraction yourself in the other traditional conservatives in the race. and nikki haley and tim scott. and then secondarily, how do you navigate trump -- we all know that there is that core 30% that you've got to pull a little bit, of that are die hard with trump. and

mike pence stood in the breech. he gave a good speech yesterday but then i think someone else did this, maybe hailey did this. he didn't say this, but if trump is the nominee, he will support the nominee. so there's the whole era in a news cycle. there's courage, there's an example of courage under fire, and anybody -- there may be center left folks who think you shouldn't celebrate for doing their duty. it is just -- here's a human history biographical fact check. a president of the united states bears down on you in the oval office at the highest levels, putting this choice to you, it's not easy to do your duty. if it were easy, you wouldn't call it duty. so i do not believe, on the conversion point, with my baptist colleague. i don't think you apply a character test for a conversion. if you applied a character test you wouldn't need the conversion, right? >> right, right. >> that said the last thing he said about supporting the nominee no matter what contradicts his statement from earlier in the day. >> it's a tr

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>> i think mike pence is going to make a strong case.lane to what we're seeing tim scott run in and nikki haley. and with vice president pence, he goes into the race saying, on day one, i'm ready to be president. he's held head of state meetings, he's been a governor, he's travelled all over the world. the credentialing is all there. what's going to be -- he's got a number of challenges that stand out to me. how do you differentiate yourself from the other conservatives in the race, nikki haley and tim scott? and how do you navigate the trump of it? you know there's the 30% that you've got to pull a little bit of that are die hard with trump. it's uniquely hard for mike pence post-january 6th to get those folks. the other theory of the case is you try to activate some registered primary voter who is didn't turn out in the trump years with a hopeful leading message. i don't sleep on mike pence as someone who may rise in the polls. he's politically astute, he's travelled all over the country boosting other candidates before. >> i totally a

mike pence, still at 4% in the poll. you see donald trump continue to have a significant lead over the likes of ron desantis as well as the rest of the field. we are two months out from this debate taking place. again, the issue for each of the candidates is that they are going to have to take on these indictments head on, because the reality is, the hearings will not be playing out until well into next year. likely beyond the point in which they are going to be running against donald trump in the primaries that are slated to begin this next february. >> peter baker, let's talk about a number of things that have come up on the indictment itself. and the strategy prosecutors as well as the defense has handled this. "the washington post" reporting in the fall of last year, trump attorney chris kise tried to get the former president to negotiate a settlement with garland and return the documents. other members of the defense team disagreed. in the end, trump wouldn't do it. you know trump so well. you covered him for years.

january 6th, a lot of republicans thanked god mike pence was there who was -- showed fidelity to the constitution and certified the electors. but there are so many people who support donald trump who think pence betrayed them on that day that they would never vote for him, and without getting those voters, how do you become president? >> i think you bank on the fact people will want you more than they said joe biden and increasingly i think on both sides it has turned into that. donald trump has been a polarizing figure, are you for the other guy or for him and that's all it is, and the same would hold true if the nominee was someone other than trump, and how polarized the parties are. when i said the wpa poll a few minutes ago, that was iowa voters, not the national one. thank you for the national correction. >> sandra: thank you very much to our panel, garrett, jessica, great to have you on. john, the former vice president any moment now, and also monitoring the situation with the haze, that is something with the ground stuff. i don't know how you o he oh ground traffic, let alone a

he did a spot on impersonation of mike pence.i'd say, you know, i'm a believer in jesus christ. i know donald trump is a good man in the depth of his soul. he's a good christian. we're all sinners we all get carried away sometimes. sometimes we do things that are wrong. . he did such a great job as president. >> when you have a future, anyone needs to call george conway. he's available to play. -- donna, did he hit the nail on the head. he said that mike pence can stand by all the things in the administration, you know, i can't stand by what he's doing now. >> this is an example, simone. charlie is right. mike pence can't decide who he wants to be in this race. and that accounts for why his numbers are so low. he was part of the administration. , on one hand he dances between criticizing donald trump. on the other, defending him. there's not a real rationale for the candidacy. i think. that was some of the other candidates in the race rather than christiane asia hutchins, then, they are former prosecutors. they understand the gra

. >> bret: your vice president mike pence says he is, quote, deeply troubled by what's in the indictment and he says, quote: of the indictment contains serious charges and i cannot defend what's alleged. >> mike pence had documents that were classified. >> bret: and he turned them over. >> no, he didn't turn them over. he got caught. his lawyers found some documents and then he turned them over. why did he have them? he shouldn't be saying that because he had classified documents. and immediately they said oh, that's okay. and i suppose it's going to be okay with biden, too, even though he has them in chinatown? even though he has them in

mike pence is already well—known to voters, and yet he is still trailing badly in the polls behind trump who get into the race, the more they split that anti—trump vote. and the easier they could make it for mrtrump to win the nomination. these voters did not get to hear from trump himself but skipping this event doesn't seem to undermine his support. can i ask you, have you decided who you are supporting for the nomination? who i'm supporting? trump. yeah? yeah. or desantis. i'd go for either one but first i think. well, i voted for president trump last time. i love his policies. the name—calling has got to stop. pence is definitely one i of the guys i'm looking at. i think he needs to be a little bit| stronger but i think. if you are going to be the president, you got to have a little bit i of the bulldog in you. mike pence will do what he can to attract attention. straddling a harley—davidson if that is what it takes. in a very congested race, it's still candidates like him versus the absent donald trump, and it is the former president who still is clearly in the lead. sarah smith, bb

applause mike pence is already well—known to voters and yet he is still trailing badly in the polls behindke pence who get into the race, the more they split that anti—trump vote. and the easier they could make it for mr trump to win the nomination. these voters did not get to hear from trump himself but skipping this event doesn't seem to undermine his support. can i ask you, have you decided who you are supporting for the nomination? who i'm supporting? trump. yeah? yeah. or desantis. i'd go for either one but first i think. well, i voted for president trump last time. i love his policies. the name—calling has got to stop. pence is definitely one - of the guys i'm looking at. i think he needs to be a little bit stronger but i think— if you are going to be i the president, you got to have a little bit - of the bulldog in you. mike pence will do what he can to attract attention. straddling a harley—davidson if that is what it takes. in a very congested race, it's still candidates like him versus the absent donald trump, and it is the former president who still is clearly in the lead. sarah

mike pence did the right thing. he followed the constitution. rump thinks you're a threat, he attacks you. he did not attack pence there. and in the end, he said something that's true. there's no election where is we see people voting for the vice president, per se. but the point that pence gets the soft silk treatment where ron desantis gets every nasty nickname under the sun tells you everything you need to know. >> everything to do with funding and more the threat. he hasn't always been nice to mike pence. we should note that he has said some quite harsh words about him. and if mike pence does become a threat, you better believe that's coming back. >> i think also with mike pence, for trump, because he shifted, sometimes he said things that are supportive of trump and then he goes after trump. at the gridiron dinner where there's no cameras and then he isn't as biting towards trump afterwards. i think that's part of the reason why trump can hold his fire because mike pence at times holds his fire. now if mike pence decides to become more consi

mike pence _ this. not everyone is backing him. mike pence said _ this.s. not everyone is backing him. mike pence said this was - this. not everyone is backing him. mike pence said this was a - this. not everyone is backing him. mike pence said this was a very i mike pence said this was a very serious day, but ron de santis, they were going... they were supporting them. i think the people who are against him in the primaries, they are struck by the irony of how trump was able to get in power in the first place, back in 2016. remember ten days before the election, hillary clinton was the target of an fbi probe about her handling of classified information and that e—mail server, and trump attacked her vigorously, she was not protecting the secrets of the country, now he is accused of the same thing. there is a supreme irony here that he is now account of the pot calling the kettle black ear. —— he is the pot. pot calling the kettle black ear. -- he is the pot-— he is the pot. this fbi acts, you are able to _ he is the pot. this fbi acts, you are able to enl

then in february, that is when the fbi makes sure that there are no other documents in mike pence's possessione's a search of his indiana home, of his office in washington, d.c. there's one more document recovered. then things go silent until june 1st, when pence's attorneys get the letter say this was over. mike pence and his advisers says they're pleased, but not surprised. they told us that, and there's been a discovery of classified information, but they believed he handled it much different live. to highlight that, this is what pence said in january after this news broke that were found. >> while i was not aware those classified documents with in our personal residence, let me be clear, those classified documents should not have been in my personal residence. mistakes were made. i take full responsibility. >> of course, this is a very separate investigation done by an entirely separate section of the justice department. then the special investigation that jack smith is doing into donald trump, and the investigation around documents found in president joe biden's possession from his previo

but mike pence is a good example of what i'm talking about. for mike pence, knowing that a good portion of the republican base wanted him taken out, right, to hang him. for him to come into this race is his way of saying defiantly, i'm still standing. and i forgive you. that would be his nature. but also that in the final analysis, you want to win. you want to win on the traditional things that have always one for republicans. donald trump can't give you that. i can. that is gonna be the tim scott who's running also, a christian. christian right republican candidate. in mike pence are gonna try and hold down that space as much as they can. for bike it's good to be very difficult. we will be one of the more intriguing test. just because of what we know happened to him. >> victor, i'm sorry, i have less than a minute left. here but i want to ask, you we want donald trump to win this nomination, right? he's a proven loser. he can be been again by president biden. >> i think whether or not is donald trump or any other candidate, all you have to sa

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this is elsa 0 life from the also coming up today, former us vice president mike pence enters the race for the white house, fitting him against his former foster. donald trump hopes for political and economic reforms in kuwait, the gulf states is preparing for its 7 problem injury election in 10 years. i'm saying, prescribing the cargo refugee camp in eastern chad were organized or say the camp is at full capacity, but the displaced from the warranty done keep coming. it is just past 1700 gmc, that makes it 8 pm invest mote. the commander of ukraine's ground forces says his troops are advancing on the russian occupied city. in the east of the country, footage, released by ukraine's army, appears to show russian positions under fire. now moscow declared victory there in the mood just last month. and russia is saying it stop the major ukrainian offensive elsewhere in the eastern. done yet screech in those reports, not in the dependently verified yet, but moscow has released pictures that it says show some of the fighting. meanwhile, pro ukrainian forces have launched a raid on the russia

was on the back of a pickup truck, watching mike pence, getting great shots of pence and joni ernst. that's probably going to be the smoothest ride he face as he prepares to launch. a town hall coming up wednesday in des moines with dana. it's a question now, i'm looking at him how he's going to handle this. how does he talk about january 6th? there's so much around trump. pence never puts a lot out there. fair or not, this is central to his story. and we've heard a little bit about it but not a lot. >> and he's almost afraid to take credit for something that a lot of americans give him credit for, which is standing firm and going ahead and counting the electoral votes there on january 6th and finishing that job. and yet it seems that he's reluctant. he'll get out there and say the former president was wrong about what he said about the 2020 election results but it's almost as though he knows in the back of his mind he can only go so far with that base. >> what's so ironic about it, what is a campaign? a campaign is i.d.ing voters, putting yourself out there, gaining recognition, get

vice president mike pence has formally declared himself as candidate for the republican party presidential nomination for 2024. the all-time trumpoyalist now finds himself competing head-to-head with him. pence ditch trump over bogus claims of electoral claims -- bogus claims of electoral fraud. pence was also one of the congresspeople who had to run for their lives on january 6, 2021, when angry trump supporters stormed the capital. pence says different times call for different leadership. >> today, before god and my family, i am announcing i'm running for president of the united states. we can bring this country back. we can defend our nation and secure our border. we can revive our economy and put our nation at on a balance, defend our liberty. mark: with those words, mike pence set him up -- set himself up for a dramatic showdown with his former boss. for the first time, a former vice president is running for the white house against a president who served under. the former indiana governor never mentioned donald trump by name but signaled he would be a better fit for the job. >> we cou

you know, the hawkish neocon of yore -- that's not the president mike pence was serving.n winkel syndrome, where he's emerging on the presidential stage, where the candidate stage, forgetting about what happened in the four years when he was vice president. i have a hard time understanding how a man cannot know what he did for such a long period of time. do you? >> no, especially, because the other thing mike pence and chris christie have in common is that they are the two people that donald trump tried to kill. chris christie -- he has great soundbites now. -- he's calling him a mirror hog. he's pretty funny. he's funny on the stump making fun of trump. he acts like someone who stopped supporting trump in 2017, when he's actually somebody that was with trump every step of the way, when trump was being exactly the same person he was on january 6th, as he was on january 5th and january 4th and every day before. the reason that chris christie was almost killed by donald trump is because he was in debate prep with him for 2020. so, it's like -- it just doesn't make sense, ri

while mike pence was inside the building. ce has now played trump's civil sexual abuse verdict. he's refused to speak to the january six committee, despite condemning trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. look, let's be clear here. there is a close to zero chance that chris christie or mike pence will be the republican presidential nominee. but that's not the point here. the point is that both of these men are nothing more than opportunists who only attempt to separate themselves from trump when it is politically expedient. that is what i fear will happen this time around. they're going to stand on their own, and denounced trump on the campaign trail. until they need to, or want to fall in line. we've seen it time and time again. then they will willingly jump back on board the trump train, if he wins the nomination. let's bring back my panel, danielle, you're up first. who do you have, who's your pick, worst of the week? >> it's always so difficult. they're both abysmal human beings. >> that's the purpose of the segme