, hang mike pence. you asked a minute ago, ayman, does anybody care that mike pence is out of the race? and really, no. in two or three points that he was carrying there. but the one person who does care is donald trump. because if he can get mike pence to endorse him in this race, it makes mike pence's -- any potential testimony from mike pence a little less, you know, it makes it harder for pence to really go after him, and easier for trump to criticize anything mike pence might say against him in court. >> i mean, hayes, a lot of people would say this is donald trump's race to win, the gop primary, and everyone else is simply auditioning for a vice presidential position. perhaps with the exclusion of ron desantis, who, the way donald trump has beaten up on him mercilessly, it's just so embarrassing, i can't imagine, but then again, i can't imagine much of what republicans would do. nikki haley potentially still winning that number two job. how does mike pence's exit strategy, since he doesn't want th

to grab some strong, very strong evangelical endorsements now, who may have been neutral because mike pencen the race, or -- abandoned pence. i would look for that. but ron desantis picked up some tail winds now from the evangelicals. >> my question is, who does mike pence get behind now? >> and that is the final piece. does he endorse, and i think that is an open question, obviously, he would not endorsed donald trump. does he -- behind someone else? no, there's a question for the iowa governor. ron desantis has been -- very hard to endorse rounds of santa's. there is still, what, 60, 80 days before the first caucus? but ron desantis put together a kim reynolds, mike pence endorsement, going against donald trump in iowa? that would be big. i don't think mike pence owes anybody anything on that stage, though. he may choose to stay out. we'll see. >> david jolly, thank you. appreciated. want to turn now to gaza, where israeli troops are on the ground and our reporters are telling us there are unrelenting fighting, and that's what prime minister netanyahu called the next phase of this war. ga

it's been a wild ride for mike pence. i was reminded ten years ago i wrote a profile, i went to indianapolis, he was the governor of indiana. i wrote a big profile on -- >> there it is -- -- on mike pence in which we called him the future of the gop. he really did have a lot of promise. he was a deficit hawk then. he was a social conservative, he had a lot of evangelical fans, and for fiscal conservatives like me we found him to be an important voice. when he abandoned all of that to carry trump's water and become the number two for a guy that didn't ware any of the things that mike pence claims to care about, he lost a loss of us, a lot of the fiscal conservatives who also didn't appreciate trump. then this carrying trump's waters -- then in carrying trump's water but not all the way across the finish line in 2020, he's now seen as traitorous by the other wing of the republican party. who is left? there's no other voter in the republican party for mike pence to get. he had no natural constituencies. i was saying this in

going to be mike pence's republican party. i want to bring in jeff zeleny, who is in des moines, iowa, with us as well. kristen, you stand by, stay with us, if you can. your sense of things, as kristen was just saying a few moments ago, what a turn of events for the former vice president. he could not catch on inside of donald trump's republican party. it's just not going to happen. >> reporter: he couldn't. and it certainly was not for a lack of handshakes that he gave here in iowa and stops that he made. for the last several months he has been campaigning aggressively, trying to find that lane, trying to find a way in the republican party, and the reality is, his audiences were small, they were generally respectful. but there simply was not the opening for him. so i'm told by his advisers that he wanted to end his campaign, suspend his campaign, and announce this in a public forum. today's event in las vegas was one of the last best chances to do that. he was not likely to qualify for the third debate in miami because he sim

mike pence is out of the race.r really facing any sort of criminal exposure, but he could have had political backlash for testifying against donald trump. he's one of the people central to the election interference investigations and prosecutions. now that he is out of the race and he is essentially got nothing to lose, what do you think the likelihood is that we will see him take the stand against his former boss? >> high to almost certainty because i think that when he was opposing subpoenas in the past, he was doing so so symbolically. who was doing putting on a front. if you are speaking candidly behind closed doors, he was probably saying, all right, we have to argue against the subpoena, just for the show, just for my candidacy. but secretly, i can't wait to go in there and testify against the guy who put this tremendous fear in me and many other people in congress on that fateful day well over a year ago now. so, i don't think there's gonna be much impediment to mike pence racing into testify. when he's stil

thank you for joining us in this. episode of the mike pence show, this is mike pence. to believe that pence once had emotions, so much so that he was even taken on television, looked for his three children at rallies, forced to hand out leaflets and pretend to be ostentatious family happiness. many people liked the fact that we had a rabbit, and even more so that we brought him to washington. voters remembered all of mike's sins and turned even the last debate into a show. charis, the fly on pence’s head was friended on social media, and the $10 fly swatters sold out in minutes on biden’s election website. but beat sad penny. that the ukrainians don’t have enough american tanks, our economy is in decline, crime is up, and you’re worried about a country that most people can’t even find on a map, and which has received tens of billions of american taxpayer dollars. this doesn’t concern me, well, of course, it doesn’t concern me now , since i refused, and with the wording, now is not my time yet, but in today’s america in the 64th season, it’s called a house of cards. the

mike pence called it quits. it's a question of who he will endorse and whether it will mean anything given his paltry poll numbers. maga mike, the extreme views of new speaker maya johnson and what it means for a house in disarray. all of that plus the news, millions of fans around the world. >> [inaudible] shut up! shut up! shut up! >> friends star matthew perry founded of an apparent drowning at his home. we are going to have the latest on what happened and his police in television history. that's later on this hour as well. we want to begin the latest in the middle east. as israel stepped up his attack on gaza, the idf claimed it has struck 450 hamas targets. nbc news is unable to verify those claims. human rights groups continue to raise the alarm over the humanitarian crisis inside gaza. palestinian health officials say 1000 people in gaza have died, including over 3000 children. concerns of a regional escalation are growing as israel continues to exchange fire with hezbollah and lebanon. iran's president no

i mean, as mike pence said, it is just not his time. and listen, i've known him for a very long time. mike pence came to congress in 2000 as a deficit hawk. he was eager to cut spending but he had missed the republican revolution. george w. bush and house republicans went on to spend trillions and he said at that time, i was like the frozen man. frozen before the revolution and thawed out after it. it wasn't his time then either. and it's not his time now. after abandoning his commitment to slash debt and deficits. he went into administration that blew up the debt and the deficit and did all kinds of things that are anathema to the mike pence i had covered and known. so for a lot of fiscal conservatives, he abandoned his principles and for a lot of maga trump voters, he was seen as traitorous for not overturning the democratic election in 2020. so that left no one left. for mike pence. there are no real other lanes of republicans for him to get. so, this was sort of, this was sort of baked in the day he decided to join donald trump on t

speaking of which, mike pence.rday, the former vice president withdrew from the presidential race. i don't know about you, but i was very surprised that mike pence was running for president. it hadn't registered. pence made the announcement during a speech this weekend. >> traveling across the country over the past six months, i came here to say that it's become clear to me this is not my time. >> stephen: he's right. mike pence's time is 1692. his place: salem. his job: man who shoves woman into river to see if she's a witch. there you go. yes, look. you can be sure. look right there. that's the sign. "you can be sure she's regular lady when the bubbles stop. that's science." pence said he prayed over the decision, which is not surprising. after all, he titled his campaign launch memoir "so help me god." god responded with his own book, "new phone, who dis?" not very nice. he got ghosted by the holy ghost. still, i don't understand why mike pence would drop out. look at the campaign event he held this month at a p

as we understand, mike pence was running out of money. of course, there were concerns that he would qualify for the third presidential debate. but did it come down to pence having a trump problem? >> i think it really does come down to that. the former vice president has not seen any type of uptick in the polls. remind you, this is a fear where trump is far and away the leader. he leads the rest of the field by more than 40 points, but pence really didn't have a home in this republican party anymore, because of his actions on january 6th. because of the fact that he stood by the constitution and said that he would certify the election results, that he didn't have the power to de-certify, despite pressure by the former president to do so. and i think what we've seen in this past week really encapsulate where this republican party is. the house speaker that was just nearly elected, mike johnson of indiana, was one of the leading architects of trying to overturn the 2020 election and supported lawsuits against it. and he is now the speaker of

and where does the rest of the gop race stand now nationally with mike pence? because i mean, i guess the question is now raised if pence is now going to get behind another candidate, are there enough non-president trump candidates to coalesce behind one anti-trump candidate to knock him out of the race? or are the numbers just not there? i'm looking at what we're seeing now, just doesn't look like it. >> yeah. i mean, i don't think you have to be a statistical or mathematical genius to figure out that at this particular point donald trump is well above 50%. he's at 60% of the vote. even if pence isn't in the race, ron desantis is in second at 18%. even if you add up all of the non-trump candidates, you'd simply put don't get close to where trump is. so i don't think it matters how many people are in the race as long as donald trump's in the race because the fact it you can't beat when someone's at 60% of the vote or more. >> harry, he is in a better positions now than he was during the 2016 primaries when i covered him running for president back in 2016. he's r

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. >>> coming up, mike pence drops out of the presidential race. while a ring leader of the effort to overturn the 2020 election now sits in the er speaker's chair. s what it takes to make it in today's gop. >>> but first, after he was given a gag order in his january 6th case, trump today went after the judge and a possible witness and joe biden.de again, that is after the gag order.t the latest on trump's legal o jeopardy is next. ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com. >>> on sunday, the federal judge overseeing the case surrounding trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election, judge tanya chutkan, she reinstated a gag order on mr. trump. she first issued a limited gag order two weeks ago today

mike pence tried to change brands of the republican party. it's not him.p come trial or tribulations. the fact that you have a former sitting vice president that's unable to get traction, to part the waters so to speak to distinguish himself from the craziness of the maga moment to say, this is a party that needs to stand for something, this is a party that just cannot stand by a populist, it wasn't his time. >> martha: and rick touched on this, alex, but what does it mean for the remaining field? does anyone other than donald trump benefit from this? >> i think everybody but benefit had the opportunity, but mike pence was such an asterisk in the polls. if you divide up 3%, 4%, that doesn't leave a lot to go around the table. the bigger opportunity for someone like nikki haley, probably above all, perhaps ron desantis would be from dropouts that rick was alluding to. if you had middle-tier candidates exit the field and someone emerged not by the beneficiary by default, but it is notable that donald trump is advertising against ron desantis again on televis

and mike pence did that to a certain extent. permission structure for republican voters, especially evangelical republican voters, values voters, to support donald trump and excuse his theories outrageous and personal best behavior, he made basically people like him irrelevant to the party. because that republican parties base no longer one somebody who's a good christian family man. they are fine with somebody like donald trump. and people like mike pence went a long way to. making the possible. >> i want to play something for you. it's from congressman matt gates this week. what it means to see congressman mike johnson as speaker of the house. take a listen. >> the swamp is on the run. maga is ascendant. if you don't think moving from kevin mccarthy to maga mike johnson shows the ascendance of this [interpreter] movement and where the power of the republican party truly lies, you are not paying attention. >> i wonder as you spoke with romney, as you read his journals, does romney lay the radicalization of the party that to the

mike pence suspending his campaign. the former vice president making that bombshell announcement on saturday at the annual republican jewish coalition in las vegas. he is the highest profile candidate to exit the race so far. here's maryalice parks with reaction from his competitors. >> reporter: tonight, the republican primary field is shrinking. former vice president mike pence, the biggest name so far to exit the race. >> this is not my time. so after much prayer and deliberation, i have decided to suspend my campaign for president effect today. >> reporter: pence started his campaign defending this moment. >> the chair declares the joint session dissolved. >> reporter: his decision to do his job and certify the 2020 election results, infuriating former president trump and trump's supporters on january 6th. >> hang mike pence, hang mike pence. >> reporter: now, trump far and away the front runner, asking pence for his endorsement even while bashing him on his way out. >> because i had a great, successful presidency a

former vice president mike pence. ahead the shocking death of friends star matthew perry and an apparent drowning at his home. we will be right back. be right back. >> welcome back, everybody. we are looking at a slightly different republican presidential race with the news that former vice president mike pence has officially called it quits. other candidates including former president trump are already reacting. i want to bring in rick wilson, from that lincoln project -- former gop strategist to talk about. is rick, as always, great to talk to you. what a background you've got going on over. they're making as jealous. on a rainy sunday in new york city. let's talk about some of the. you and i have spoken about this earlier, especially as we've gotten to the beginnings, they're early beginnings of this primary race. the bigger the field, became the more entered this, race the more advantageous it seemed former president trump running for reelection. as we begin to see people drop, out the first of them being his form

i respect mike pence and wish him well.is good for this field to thin and offer voters a clear choice. mike pence, nikki haley, tim scott, chris christie, they are all traditional bush era conservative and voters deserve that choice, but not four of them, one is good for that lane. there is divide in the gop between neoconservative world view and future of america first conservatism. voters deserve that choice, good thing to be given that choice. honorable choice mike pence made. >> lawrence: some argue they have america first camp, donald trump, the person who invented the term. >> well, i push back on that, reagan used america first and first first is -- i do believe i have fresh legs. we are seeing this, you as fellow young person can know this, too, reaching young americans at scale nobody in the gop has and i think it will take a leader from the next generation to reach the new generation and reunite this country. take america first generation along and i'm the outsider and it will take an outsider to do that and that

so often in the chaos of politics we forget the perspective, and mike pence is going to be viewed by history of someone who heroically stood up for the constitution at the time when he was under direct pressure and threats, and the fact that he was repudiated by the republican party is a stain on them, and not mike pence's legacy. >> absolutely. >> that is the larger perspective in politics and we can have interesting difference, and we should, but when people stand up when it counts for the constitution in the case, that is being on the right side of history and the folks opposing it or shouting down a reporter who asked johnson the night that he won the nominee designate and if he is a election designee, and shouted him down is sinister, and that is the know nothing, election denier is to me that mike pence is on the right side of ledger of history and this is important and it matters. >> and that is john avalon is going to be live out. so, could the 14th amendment keep donald trump from running for office again, or more specifically, get him kicked off of the presidential ballot?

members of mike pence's team were even caught unawares by this announcement.june, he has been struggling to attract the sort of support, particularly the financial support that he needs, and that one needs in a presidential race here in the united states. it is just a couple of weeks away before the next republican presidential debate, and mike pence, by all accounts, had been struggling to get the financial support he needed to qualify for that. so in many ways, despite the incredible name recognition that he enjoyed going into this race, it is perhaps, lewis, little surprise to hear that mike pence has now dropped out of that very crowded field. and david, where does this leave the race then? well, it leaves mike pence's former boss donald trump with a considerable lead over rivals such as ron desantis, the florida governor, nikki haley, the former us ambassador to the united nations. it's such a great lead, in fact, despite all donald trump's legal problems, that he has been refusing to take part in the republican presidential debates, claiming that really

i'll be honest, i feel bad for mike pence. white house was over the moment he decided to do the right thing and not to overturn the election. he had to get the same people -- that's right. [applause] he had to get the same people who wanted to hang him to hire him. i mean, for a guy so christian, mike pence gets [bleep] a lot. but republicans deciding they don't want to run against donald trump after all is not a surprise. what is a surprise is that there's finally a democrat running against joe biden. >> president joe biden is facing a challenge from a member of his own party. democratic congressman dean phillips of minnesota has entered the 2024 race for the white house. >> i think president biden has done a spectacular job for our country. but it's not about the past. there is an election about the future. >> phillips, a 54-year-old former business executive, believes president biden is on pace to lose to former president donald trump and needs to be challenged for the democratic nomination. >> i am the democratic candidate

you - mike pence did today.s lack of success say about the current state of the republican party? it is say about the current state of the republican party?- the republican party? it is an examle the republican party? it is an example of— the republican party? it is an example of how _ the republican party? it is an example of how the - the republican party? it is an i example of how the republican party has not yet had a reckoning about what happened on january reckoning about what happened onjanuary six, reckoning about what happened on january six, 2021 forced many democrats see it as a seismic moment in american democratic history. republicans, however, are still mostly embracing tramp, even though he had a role in spearheading so much of the effort to overturn the 2020 election. pence's decision, and i've covered it extensively, to reject tramp's decision, and i've covered it extensively, to reject trumpism overtures, to block the occasion of president biden's election, it enraged tramp and many of its vote

but it's just so interesting, the lane that mike pence tried to create for himself.he does distance himself from former president trump at times on policy. at times on january 6. but it's not like he was in the same lane as chris christie, as a clearly anti-trump candidate, he still spoke fondly, for example, as his four years serving as trump's vice president. so, it just became really difficult for him on one hand to tie himself to trump in a lot of ways. but then distance himself from trump, but not in a full-throated measure all the time. and i think republican voters just, quite frankly, because the party's so aligned with trump still, that put vice president -- former vice president pence out of step with the party base, in a lot of ways. >> yeah, i mean, i think it's worth reminding everyone that the mob that stormed the capitol on january 6 was chanting "hang mike pence." and it says a lot about the state of the republican party, shall we say. but, look, speaking of trump, i want to ask you about a couple things he has going, namely trials. because that's occ

>>>ou coming up, mike pence dro out of the presidential race. while a ring leader of the effort to overturn the 2020 election now sits in the speaker's chair. what it takes to make it in today's gop. >>> but first, after he was given a gagft order in his januy 6th case, trump today went after the judge and a possible witness and joe biden. again, that is after the gag order. the latest on trump's legal jeopardy is next.e jeopardy is t my mental health was much better. but i struggled with uncontrollable movements called td, tardive dyskinesia. td can be caused by some mental health meds. and it's unlikely to improve without treatment. i felt like my movements were in the spotlight. #1-prescribed ingrezza is the only td treatment for adults that's always one pill, once daily. ingrezza 80 mg is proven to reduce td movements in 7 out of 10 people. people taking ingrezza can stay on most mental health meds. ingrezza can cause depression, suicidal thoughts, or actions in patients with huntington's disease. pay close attention to and call your doctor

so accountability hasn't been had yet at the very top level. >> because you have guys like mike pence did the right thing on january 6th. can't run for president. mike johnson worked to overturn the election results and became speaker of the house. >> that's why we need more good people fighting the good fight, so to speak. just, we need individuals, one, to care, and then two, make their voices heard at the ballot box. your vote is one of the most powerful tools that us americans have. and not just standing back, rage tweeting or whatever. let's get out there inspire people. that's what we talk about in my book, how it's important for us to care about democracy skprp in it. >> you posted this on "x," i see there's going to be an open congressional seat in maryland this week. that was about congressman sarbanes in maryland deciding not to run for re-election. anything you want to share with us tonight, harry? are you running? thinking about it? >> sure. it's an intriguing thought, sure. but i haven't given it much serious thought. what more of a way to continue -- a continuation of pu

mike pence is out of the 2024 race as a new poll shows trump more than doubling the support of his nearest rival in iowa, nikki haley is gaining ground, but can she or anyone else catch up? i'm dana bash, let's go behind the headlines and "inside politics." >>> we begin with israel's war against hamas terrorists. the new round of air strikes lighting up the sky in gaza as the idf says it's stepping up operations on the ground and sending more troops in. cnn's nic robertson is live in sderot. what's the latest on the ground there? >> reporter: the idf says it's increasing its activity in gaza itself, we've seen troops actually on the ground in gaza city. the biggest city in the north of gaza strip, the most -- one of the most densely populated areas. last night we were aware that the troops, idf troops, had at least established a base head on the coastline and were relatively speaking outside of densely populated civilian areas. that has changed today. the idf has been dropping flyers over gaza telling people there that they are now in a battlefield. that they need to move south out of the

in the violence began in earnest. >> [indiscernible] >> [chanting "hanged mike pence -- "hang mike pence"] >> [indiscernible] >> there was no possible innocent explanation for that tweet that sent the crowd on fire. we will hear later today from officer hodges, this is his bodycam at the exact same time. you can see in the upper right-hand corner, it's 2:28. within five minutes of trump issuing that tweet, this is what he faced. >> within 30 minutes of the tweet, we see the picture from the same vantage point we saw before, the crowd had overrun the barriers, but this was the back of the crowd. this was a crowd that was not the frontline of the attack of the assault on our constitutional process. we have video that shows officer hodges, within 30 minutes of the tweet, he had retreated to the tunnel, was trying to defend the tunnel against this mob. [screaming] >> that is officer hodges, who you will hear from shortly. this was in insurrection that trump led as we've seen, he summoned and organized the mob. he gave the mob a common purpose, disrupt mike pence certification of the election

on mike pence, had mike pence, i think, after january 6th basically stood by his message, i think he be in a much better position. instead he attacked me and liz cheney on the committee, said that the committee was partisan, he supported jim jordan for speaker, who, by the way, jim jordan was leading the charges against mike pence on january 6th. he was trying to walk a fence and there is no constituency in this party for fence walking, you are either hot or donald trump or cold on him, you are not lukewarm. >> is there any constituency on this in the republican party, to go full renegade than you did more of than mike pence. >> it's a small one but i think it's one that will have to inevitably grow because the republican party is going to lose elections. so while they get smaller and more intense, for instance, in their support of donald trump, they're going to start not -- they're going to lose the house probably, losing the senate, potentially losing the presidency, but what i know -- what i talk about in there is what i've seen the party do. the reason i tell my story is not beca

eric: steiner in the presidential race former vice president mike pence is out. mr. pence announcing moments ago he is suspending his bid for the white house. his campaign coffers have been dwindling the latest real clear politics average of the polls he has been hovering at fifth place garnering just 3.5% of the republican votes. mark mermark meredith is alive s vegas at the republican jewish coalition media that is where mr. pence made the shocking announcement. what was it like it? walk us through what happened and what the reaction was. >> eric, good after noon to you is a shocking announcement the people here in this auditorium had no ideas coming us in the media section we did not have any idea could not believe my ears it came at the end have his speech you are right this is a major change in the republican presidential primary contest you've got the former vice president, 64 old mike pence is out there is been campaigning since early june for this but it's always talked about this is a long-term goal of his to reach again for the white house but he isn't drop

mike pence tried to thread the needle. by the same token he tried not to upset voters. they want to tell those voters why they are better. >> he didn't even mention pens, mike pence is relevant to him now. trump tends to mark people will mock people that are in impact to him. ron desantis, sanctimonious stuff, we saw this weird impersonation of president biden as a doddering old man that doesn't know where he is going when he tries to get offstage. is that going to be a continued theme for trump to continue to attack biden? is that something that is base responds to? >> he made fun of disabled people, military veterans, gold star families, he mocks people with various disabilities, this is a continuation of that theme. he also mocks people who don't have disabilities, and he's trying to claim that they do. will this help? the polling indicates that the base is very much behind him. does it help him to target joe biden as opposed to his rivals? absolutely. he is going to be in the general election against joe biden, he really doesn't need to bother with those other rifle

mike pence withdraws from the 2024 presidential race.

vice president mike pence bowed out of the presidential race. aign was in a bad financial shape. his poll numbers were low, to say the at least. christian holmes has more from dismiss where pence made the surprise announcement >> former vice president mike pence taking the crowd by surprised. when he announced he would be suspending the campaign. i was told this was intentional. they wanted this to be a surprise. they didn't even provide his remarks to the event planners ahead of time and when you look at where pence was in his campaign, it's not that surprising he dropped out. he was having a hard time getting traction, a hard time in the polls and with the fund-raising. he had not yet qualified for the third gop debate, which is in just to weeks. we're told that that played a role in his decision to suspend his campaign. particularly to save him from the embarrassment in that. but i did speak to one pence advisor who said it wasn't just about the money. it was about the idea that this lane that mike pence and his team believed existed within th

>> what exactly happened to mike pence? normally, you would expect a former vp to do pretty decently. just look how bad it was at the end of this campaign. mike pence's gop primary, nationally he was at 4%. quite bad. you get into those early primary caucus stays, the first of the nation test, iowa, 3%. new hampshire, he was down to just 1% of the vote, for a former vp? no former vp has done this bad since dan quayle during the 2000 gop primary cycle. why did it get this bad? among republicans, was biden's 2020 win legitimate? 60% said "no," just 23% said "yes." so pence's role on january 6th certifying those votes, overseeing the certification of those votes in congress, i think at the end of the day was just something that he could not overcome. >> what does this do for trump? >> i think the real question is, what does this do for donald trump? what are we looking at now? and look, donald trump is right now the run away front-runner. look at this. he's at 60% of the gop primary vote if pence isn't in the race. no one is a

and mike pence led that conservative group. but when it came time to look at special, necessary, i'm taken care of under the average law, he stood up for mississippi. he stood up for mississippi and our whole program passed the house and the senate, and then just to prove he was conservative, he came back and made sure that all the pay-fors actually not done. we need more of that. [applause] as indiana governor hein was an outstanding economic leader. he brought record job growth to indiana while he was governor. along the way he passed the largest tax cut in the history of the state of indiana. he produced record employment for more work, for more jobs, for more hoosiers. he's not just a good christian conservative, he understands how to get the toothpaste out of the tube. [laughing] a republican whose policies and actions as governor, and while he was in federal office, will remind you of president reagan. and to me that's about the highest compliment that we can give. joining the vice president on the podium, a great friend

clyburn, if you have thoughts about mike pence, feel free to share them.interested in if congress is ever going to do a little bit more to address this just unfettered access to guns in our society. i just think that is something on the minds of so many people out there. but if, you want to weigh in on mike pence, feel free. >> thank you very much for having me. i -- mike pence and deal with what is on your mind, because it's online as well. -- down today, and i was in the vicinity of emmanuel the third and 12 -- people i see here, the national -- this afternoon, and some discussion came up about the issue that we have with gun safety and ownership in this country. we are in a very bad place, and we need to do something about this. so, i was saying in the discussion with two or three people last night about what happens over in australia, that there was a mass shooter like this. how did the country react? they reacted in such a way, they have not had one cents. and we have had more than one a day here in the united states this year. that is unacceptable. i

short, senior adviser of mike pence and also the former chief of staff to vice president pence.t's good oto see you, mark. what was the final straw? why do you think he did not gain traction? >> well, kate, i think the campaign afforded him an opportunity to give an admonition to the direction our party is headed. i think that in 2016 when he joined the ticket, there was a promise to govern as conservatives and i think he and donald trump did. whether or not it's border policy, historic tax relief, we did rebuilding the military or reforming the courts, but i think today the front-runner of our party has run a campaign based on grievances and there's no real promise to conservatives and how they govern. in fact, if you look at his campaign messaging proposing perhaps the biggest tax increase on american history with a 10% tax on all products coming into the united states, abandonment of our international commitments, refusal to address the fiscal crisis that we're in. there's nothing that the campaign is offering to conservatives. instead, it's basically, you help me fight my gr

mike pence dropping out of the race does that create an opening hor nikki haley? does she have that pence doesn't? they share a traditional hawkish views. >> i think it's good news for republicans trying to defeat trump, but not that big. he was only polling in low digits. so it's not like someone can con s sol date the field. you would have to have everyone drop out except like ron desantis or nikki haley and then maybe that could create some momentum. but like these trump voters, they are so loyal to trump where nothing really matters. remember, they were chanting hang mike pence and it was at the january 6th rally and trump was saying, well, actually, you know, that was a good line. so i think this is kind of of a fake primary where this is -- nothing is really going to move the needle even if -- after he has been charged with 91 felonies. >> trump has an incredible hold on the republican party. it's as strong as ever as seems. he is a republican frontrunner for 2024. also has a lot of influence over the republicans in the house as we saw over the last few week

>> well, look, with mike pence, i want to say that mike, you know, ran a tough race, a good race.ficult for him. i think he made the right decision for he and his family to get out of the race. look, i think in the end it just means this racist narrowing that it never goes as fast as some folks would like and it would narrow more when we get in the debate stage of miami and i'm going to be ready to take on donald trump when people actually do start to vote in new hampshire in particular. >> some other candidates such as senator tim scott, governor asa hutchinson are polling behind you nationally. do you think the field needs to consolidate even more? >> i think the field will consolidate, jake. but it's not my place to tell people when to get out. you know, the fact is that we've run a very aggressive campaign. we're the only campaign going right at donald trump from the day we got in and never varied. there are others who want to go both ways. they want to support him and raise their hands even if he's a convicted felon and on the other hand they want to go after him and every ti

you also note this was taken, this poll just days before mike pence got out of the race.showing how he was faring in the poll there when his name was included, the kind of number that i think convinced him to leave the race. he was down to 2% in iowa, iowa a state he thought he had a real chance to connect with the voters and evangelical christians. the big gainer in this poll is nikki haley. she moves to 16%. take a look at this, we polled iowa in august. since then haley has jumped 10 points. desantis has fallen 3, and they've moved into a second place tie right now. far behind trump, but haley joins desantis as the only other non-trump candidate in double-digits in iowa polling, significantly ahead of the rest. the question that raises, she has momentum now, can she keep it going? could she actually give trump a run for his money in iowa? i think a couple of things to keep in mind here, where is her support coming from? one group, independents, they're going to make up about 1 in 5 caucus goers. only 12 points behind trump, more than doubling up desantis. there's a pro

and core trump supporters, there are many, do not trust mike pence, fairly or not, they are doomed innt, trey. >> let me ask you, joe about someone not likely to go shoot someone on fifth avenue. my personal affection for tim scott is hardly a secret. but separate that. he is the highest ranking republican of color in the country, he gave an excellent response to the state of the union, and nominated president trump. mike pence and donald trump thought enough of him to mention his name during their vice presidential and presidential debate, yet he is fighting to make the debate sphaij tha stage, that too has to be about the party. >> i think trey in the end he is not provocative enough, i don't say it a as an insult. he is ant optimistic person, i don't think that optimism works in presidential condition candidacies these days, i see him as donald trump's vice president at selection. but with tim scott, could i see him beating mitt romney in 2012, but the problem is it is impossible in this current environment to go against the a prommer president who got -- former president into got

donald trump can't talk about mike pence and what he did on january 6 that is potentially part of this case. that is covered. it's very, very likely that trump's team will appeal and will want that appeal to move fast, but this is something that the judge has done today and that donald trump could face severe sanctions if he doesn't follow these court orders as he awaits trial in march. >> he could talk about other things related to mike pence politically if he wanted to, though, right, katelyn? >> reporter: that's right. and the prosecutor in this, molly gaston was the prosecutor, they were the ones making the ask and they said this is a small fraction of the restrictions that we want to be able to put on what he says on the campaign trail. there is so much that donald trump is able to speak about on the campaign trail, but related to mike pence it's just what pence would have been privy to on january 6 that he could be testifying about that's already in the indictment. that's where the restriction is. it's not on him attacking pence more generally. >> all right. katelyn polantz, than

he's very concerned about the fragility of american democracy. >> mike pence announced today he's droppingonder how pence's arc in the gop fits in the story of this party? >> mike pence is such an interesting example of somebody who thought they could, kind of, sell out a little bit to get on board with trump and use their position to advance their agenda. right? and mike pence did that to a certain extent. but what he found was that as he created a permission structure for republican voters, especially evangelical republican voters, values voters, to support donald trump and excuse his theories outrageous and personal best behavior, he made basically people like him irrelevant to the party. because that republican parties base no longer one somebody who's a good christian family man. they are fine with somebody like donald trump. and people like mike pence went a long way to making the possible. >> i want to play something for you. it's from congressman matt gates this week. what it means to see congressman mike johnson as speaker of the house. take a listen. >> the swamp is on the run. m

i'm not talking about mike pence dropping out y'all.ant to talk about -- genes ellipse is a congressman from minnesota, who announced this week that he is running for president. on the democratic side of the aisle, against the incumbent president, joe biden. now, phillips is trying to make the case that he is not running against biden at all. the so i want you all to listen to this exchange between congressman phillips and my colleague -- on meet the press earlier this week. >> i am not running against president biden, i am running for the future. yes, we have some policy differences. but i am a proud. democrat >> congressman, respectfully you are, literally running against president biden. so can you tell voters, what is your major point of difference with president biden? >> i am not running against president biden, i am running for the majority of americans who want somebody different. >> but you just announced you're running for president aren't you? that means you are running against president. biden >> i am running for president.