rushed to a secure location beneath the capitol just as trump tweeted, quote, mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country. when advisers told trump the tweet sent the wrong message, trump, one of the witnesses told investigators said, quote, but it's true. the tweet contributed to the anger of the crowd. some of the rioters chanting, "hang mike pence." [ chanting ] according to the sources, another aide nick luna, that when he told pence had to be evacuated to a secure location because of the violence, trump responded, quote, so what? which the sources say, luna believed showed trump was willing to let harm come to his loyal vice president. that's consistent with what trump told me just a couple of months later about the threats to pence. >> were you worried about him during that siege? were you worried about his safety? >> no. i thought he was well protected and i had heard he was in good shape. i had heard he was in very good shape, but -- >> you heard those chants. that was terrible, you know, those -- >> he could have -- the people w

joining flee tel aviv is former vice president mike pence. thanks for joining us. today marks three months since the horrific hamas terrorist attacks. you are in israel. you recently met with families of hostages still being held in gaza more 100 hostages believed to still be alive including six americans. a lot of the hostage families with whom i've spoken with pretty critical of the netanyahu government, they say they don't think that netanyahu is doing enough to get their loved ones out, that he has prioritized military operations instead of getting the hostages back safely. is that what they told you? >> what i heard from not only families of hostages but as we walked the streets of the kibbutz it was december city ma mated by the hamas invasion. deep grief but also a determination to move their nation forward and restore their security. it was remarkable to see the resilience of the people and families that have lost loved one, families of hostages. one understands their impatience and, you know, i have three kids of my own, two grandkids. i can't even imagine

an and joining me now there tel aviv, is mike pence. mr. vice president, thanks for joining us. >> thank you, joe. >> three months since the horrific hamas terrorist attacks on israel. you're in israel. you recently met with families of hostages still being held in gaza more than 100 hostages are believed to be still alive including six americans. a lot of the hostage families are critical of the netanyahu government, and they don't think that netanyahu is doing enough to get their loved ones out and that he's prioritized military operations instead of getting the hostages back safely. is that what they told you? >> well, what i -- what i heard from not only families of hostages, about you as we walk the streets of kafaraza, the kibbutz was decimated, by the hamas terrorist invasion on october 7th. it was deep grief but also a determination to move their nation forward and to restore their security. it was remarkable to see the resilience of the people and the families that had lost loved ones and families of hostages and one understands th

that's why he put mike pence on the ticket. that's why he released the list of supreme court nominees and promised to pick pro-life supreme court justices. all of that was meant to assuage the concerns of those voters. but take it a step further, margaret. in the summer of 2016, as he's courting these people, donald trump gathers about 500 prominent evangelical leaders in new york city at a marriott, and they have this daylong conference. and franklin gham, jerry falwell jr., mike huckabee, a number of these prominent high-profile evangelical leaders, they take turns getting up on stage and vouching for trump, vouching for his character. in other words, not just saying, oh, you know, listen, this is a binary choice, lesser of two evils. you know, we need to hold our nose and vote for the pro-life candidate. no, no, no. this was, "god uses flawed people throughout the bible "to advance his purposes. "how is this guy any different "than king david or king solomon, or moses even?" i mean, i was there that day, and i heard comparis

crowd: hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence!dy hutchinson: i remember pat saying something to the effect of, mark, we need to do something more. they're literally calling for the vice president to be effing hung. and mark had responded something to the effect of, you heard him, pat. he thinks mike deserves it. sarah matthews: working in communications for president trump, i was very aware of just the impact that his words have on his supporters. that tweet suggested to them that what they were doing at the capitol was ok and that they were justified in their violence and that it was vice president pence who was allowing an election to be stolen. speaker: mike pence has betrayed this president, and he has betrayed the people of the united states! jake tapper: inside the capitol, the vice president was rushed from the senate floor. secret service held pence along with his family and aides in his senate office as they worked to clear a path to safety. speaker: if we lose any more time, we may have-- we may lose the ability to leave

is there an endorsement for mike pence forthcoming for one of the two remaining candidates? >> look, i could never support joe biden, he's a disaster for the country at home and abroad. i'm incredibly proud of the record of our administration, but i haven't weighed in yet. i'm waiting not only to see how the primary plays out but more importantly the people that we well know. for me it's all about the vision, the ideas and i'm waiting to see our nominee, whoever that is, comes down on issues important to the country, strong defense, america's role as leader of the free world, tackling the national debt, standing for the right to life and ultimately standing firmly on the constitution of the united states. i'm going to look for those positions and i'll weigh in at the right time. >> john: looks like 1 of 2 people at this point. mr. vice president, good to catch up with you. thanks for dropping by. appreciate it. now this. >> we cannot allow this man to remain in office any longer. the time for accountability is now. >> sandra: house homeland security committee finalizing arti

capitol. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> calling for the execution of mike pence for performing his constitutional duty to certify the election results. cassidy hutchison, a former senior aide to mark meadows, talked about trump's reaction to those threats in her testimony before congress. >> literally calling for the vice president to be hung and mark had responded something to the effect of you heard him, pat. he thinks mike deserves it. he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. >> according to the house investigation, trump sat in the white house for four hours watching the carnage, chaos play out on national television. he did not call on the national guard. did not heed his allies to condemn the violence. he finally urged the rioters to go home in a recorded message hours later that was punctuated with more lies. >> this was a fraudulent election but we can't play into the hands of these people. we have to have peace. so go home. we love you. you're very special. >> in the days after the attack, washington was m

former trump aide nick loona told federal investigators when trump was informed that vice president mike pence had to be rushed to a secure location, trump onde so at? also, sources said after unsuccessfullyryin for up to 20 minutes to persuade trump to release some sort of calming statement, scavino and others walked out of the dining room leaving trump alone. that is when, according to sources, trump posted a message on his twitter account sing that pence, quote, didn't have thege to do what should have been done. unquote. more than half anour after trump was first pressed to take some sort of action, trump finally let scavino post a

outside, gallows were erected as the crowd chanted hang mike pence. inside, they hunted for speaker pelosi. they were chanting as they smashed windows, where is nancy? over 140 police officers were injured. i attended the funeral of an officer who died that day. because of donald trump's lies. they died because his lies brought a mob to washington. host: that is current president joe biden speaking about former president donald trump. guest: he describes the very high-stakes in the election in stark terms and laid out what it means when our democracy is under threat. former president trump is very much a threat to our democracy and our way of life. i think women of america in full well that when abortion rights were overturned, that is an extension. when people's rights, when americans rights start to get rolled back, that is a result of the trump years, the trump assault on democracy. president trump is unrelenting in this assault on our democracy and our society. he is not backing down. he is backing the perpetrators as hostages. he is fanning the f

. >> that's former vice president mike pence. with us now, a former military general, and we just heard abigail stanberger say it's not appropriate how this was handled. do you agree? >> i do agree with that. i think secretary austin did make a mistake or his staff made a mistake in not notifying the correct people, but i think we'll learn more about this when he is released and he's allegedly going to be released today. what happened on the 23rd and he was on leave during that period. he took leave specifically to do a medical procedure and then came back and was readmitted due to from my understanding, pain. i fault them for that. any commander knows they have to notify their boss when something serious is going on that might take them out of the loop, but it appear that is the right procedures were put in place. he named his deputy kathy hicks, to take over for him, and from what i understand, and i've talked to senior administration officials, he was always in communications with the people at the defense department and the w

. >> (crowd chanting): ...mike pence!ushed to safety, for fear of his life on january 6... >> evacuate so we can secure the members on the other side, copy! >> ...she saw, in her mind, the image of her father. >> a plane has just crashed into the world trade center here in new york city. (explosion) >> oh, my god! >> that looks like a second plane. >> dick cheney, the vice president, being rushed away from his office in the white house to theunker on 9/11. >> it is one of the darkest days in america, attacked in an act of terrorist war. >> tremendously sad day, insurrectionists have stormed the u.s. capitol, and they have been cheered on by the president. >> and suddenly i got it. suddenly i got it-- for her, this was what al qaeda and 9/11 were to her father. to the extent that her father became really quite driven by his view of the mission to protect america after 9/11, she saw her mission the same way, to protect america from donald trump. ♪ ♪ >> narrator: now helping to lead the january 6th committee, cheney was dete

trump aidk luna told federal investigators that when trump wa informed that then-vice president mike pence to be ush rushed to a secure location, trump responded so what. luna saw an unexpected willingness by trump to let potential harm come to a long time loyalist. and trump called the mob my people. as cassidy hutchinson said. abc news reports, scavino told smith's team that trump was, very angry that day. not angry to what his supporters were doing to the pillar of american democracy, but steaming that the election was allegedly stolen from him and his supporters who were angry on his behalf. scavino described it all as very unsettling, sources sa. scavino as td the special counsel that he was the one who posted the tweet from trump telling the rioters, quote,o stay peaceful. once again fm abc, scavino printed out propod messages to post on twitter, hoping that trump would approve them despite his reluctance to write such posts himself. and sources say even trump's daughter ivanka rushed down to the oval office dining room, to convince her father that issuing a public message could

and mike pence, in a good way, explicitly said this.e the fda to just take it off the shelves. here's what mike pence said, announcing what they view as a whole. take a listen. >> at first things a pro-life president should do if elected in 2024? >> i think our new president should direct the new attorney general to suspend all efforts to harass pro-life activists. and frankly, i think they should pull the abortion pill off the market and demand that the law is properly enforced. >> so this is just, like, again, this is a live issue. they will try to do this if they get power. i think -- is your -- my sense is that people don't know this is on the agenda. >> right, i don't think that they do. and i think that biden's team could do a better job of talking about it. obviously, they're talking about a national ban, they're talking about how dangerous trump's. but i think actually getting into the nitty-gritty, even if it seems a little boring on the surface, could be really powerful and really important. you know, that clip that you just s

and that was apparently what mike pence needed to do the right thing, the lawful thing. we know what happens next. on january six, then vp pence bumps donald trump and certify the election for the rightful winner, joseph r. biden. pence released a statement citing luttig's legal analysis. the next, a judge luttig was sitting in a car outside of a u.p.s. -- he was vice president mike pence calling to think. when he did know how many votes for a set of tweets was going to be, but judge michael luttig gave mike pence a legal covert to -- and refused to overturn the election. this action alone contributed to the saving of democracy in america, and since, then a lot has developed. for one, judge luttig has mastered twitter, now known as x, it continues to tweet out important and influential opinions that we are all better for. judge luttig has also been a central voice and supporting the legal arguments around disqualifying donald trump based off the insurrection clause in the 14th amendment. and judge luttig, a great friend of the show, joins me after a quick break. k break.

and god bless mike pence.age to follow the rules and do what's right, even though he's being threatened with his life by the president of the united states inciting the insurrection that he did and calling on him to take it out on pence. but pence knew there is no power to overturn what the public has done. now, i do know the rules of the house very well. and i know the constitution very well. and they were trying to manipulate it at the time, the house. they wanted to take it to a place where it was a mess to certify the electoral college. the constitution says if that isn't decisive, then the house of representatives voting by state, that means 4 million people have one vote. that means other states, would not even 1 million people, have one vote. and our founders did not have -- >> that was not what they intended when it comes to people's voices. we're gonna squeeze in a very small break. speaker emerita is gonna stay with me. we're gonna be back in a moment. >>> we are back with house speaker emerita nancy

neither did mike pence.n party here as we head over to new hampshire that clearly has in front of them a decision. as a senior adviser to trump told me back around the time of the hialeah event for donald trump, the counterprogram to the republican debate in miami, i asked, "what has been the message from your campaign to republicans who have stayed on the sidelines and not backed donald trump yet?" his response was, quote, "tick-tock." well, it's moving faster. >> even last night, some skeptics of donald trump who have been critical here or there falling in line last night. nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. we see in the upper right of the screen it is minus 7 degrees in des moines. get inside and get warm. on to manchester, where it is a balmy 23. thanks so much, vaughn. joe. >> mike, i want to go back to you and talk about what a contrast this election should be. to the central question voters often ask of politicians, do you understand who i am? do you understand how i live? you know, is a politici

it became a political argument and mike pence call on his rebels to support a 15 week ban.ikki haley is a south carolina governor who has labeled herself conservative but is going after moderate and independent voters, she has been much more careful in her language around abortion. she said i am pro-life but i don't judge anyone for being pro-choice. it is not clear what that means in terms of policy. if a six week ban came to her desk, she said she would have signed it as governor. she got some backlash on that. she has tried to steer clear of ban -- steer clear of the national ban. president trump has resized ron desantis for sending a six week ban in florida. he said there was a terrible mistake but former president trump has bragged about being responsible for the overturning of roe v. wade. he is trying to have it both ways, where that this issue does energize republicans still to some extent and that moderate voters -- it is not popular with margaret voters that you need -- not popular with moderate voters that you needed to win an election. host: you mention florida

all the way up till january 6, mike pence did that very well.fanik and her star has risen largely in many ways because of her defense of donald trump and we know from team trump they like that a lot. will: yeah, she addressed this on "fox & friends". >> wee speak frequently. i've said for a year now, brian, i'm proud to be the first member of congress to have endorsed president trump for reelection, the first. i would be honored to serve in a trump administration in any capacity. will: pete, i thiothece very come probable to kristi noem because of same thing and alignment on policies and doesn't deliver a state. kristi noem, in a state that's going to go red, elise stefanik in a state that's going to go blue. pete: some said played to the camera and played to donald trump and that's in nice contention and then this guy in the presidential contention, dropped out and really never took on donald trump and was friendly to him in the contest and therefore is a likely con tepider. will: he's interesting to watch and mike pence was the perfect preside

mike pence spent four years doing it only to be met with chants of "hang mike pence" during the insurrection on january 6th. so this is a pretty classic situation for one of these people. whether trump picks him as vice president, i mean, you know, clearly this is something that trump is going to hold out over the heads of so many people were going to be competing to potentially get that nod, again, potentially it's a difficult place to be, considering what happened to mike pence. i think there's a couple of things to consider. he has talked about wanting a woman to do it. there was some chatter that it would be nikki haley. i think that was put pretty firmly to rest last night, if it wasn't already put to bed. i think one person to kind of pay attention to, that's under the radar a little bit is katie brit, she's a senator from alabama who has very solid working relationships across washington, and would kind of, you know, potentially help with some of the weaknesses trump has, in working with republicans on the hill. she's very -- she's trusted among the people who make those decisions. >>

this is important because he sees mike pence is having made a fatal scene. mike pence's fatal scene was preserving the republic in the face of the most concerted effort to destroy it since the civil war. does it worry you that the way that your colleague, elise stefanik, appears to be auditioning for parole as vice president, is to basically give aid and comfort to the people who tried to overturn the constitutional republic? >> not only that, chris, she has refused to say that she will certify the election as mike pence did. that is clear and it has been clear since 2019, when elise stefanik flipped a switch to go from a relatively low key low level rational republicans from upstate new york to trump's biggest defender in the impeachment hearings and beyond. and it is clear that she is channeling donald trump in every way that she can, trying to addition to become the vice president, and given that she has no morals and no integrity because she completely flip-flopped in all of her policies and politics for sure, you can't trust her to do the right thing. a

is in opposition to a donald trump reelection. >> mike pence? >> and mike pence is one of his senior aides, just want to go sign on and work for the trump campaign. and everybody knows nick air knows that that is, not surprised. this is just the conversation we had about oh, the candidates there was no competition in this primary. it wasn't a competition because they refuse to compete. >> exactly. >> what if all of the people that know better, the people who whisper privately, and it's not a risk for their lovely shouting,, please don't put me on the record. republicans, people who are for donald trump or in the administration that say, i think he's crazy and he should never be allowed back into the oval office. those people have to come out and speak out aggressively and often. >> they do. but they won't. and they do need to do that, they won't do that. >> why not? i don't have to ask you to speak for them. >> that's a seven year problem. that's a seven year problem. and the reality of it is, particularly when you look at the leadership issue t

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former trump aide nick luna told investigators when trump was informed then-vice president mike pencead to be rushed to a secure location, trump responded so what. abc news also reports that after unsuccessfully trying for up to 20 minutes to persuade trump to release some sort of de-escalating statement that day, scavino and other aides just left the president alone to watch the violence unfold on television. that is when according to sources, trump posted a message on his twitter account saying that mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. scavino, the only other person with access to trump's twitter account told both jack smith and white house lawyers at the time, quote, i didn't do it, meaning one of the most incendiary controversial messages of january 6th was all donald trump. joining me now is michael schmidt, investigative reporter for "the new york times" and author of "donald trump versus united states" i found this reporting stunning not just because what was reported but the sources themselves. first, let's talk about dan scavino. this is a pers

encouraging a mob as it rallied to hang vice president mike pence. announcing that he could shoot someone, anyone, on fifth avenue. so, history happened here in this courtroom. maybe some prognostication to. president trump was in the courtroom today, just feet away from special counsel jack smith. trump was surrounded by his lawyers and buy his body men, walt nauta, who is of course trump's codefendant in the mar-a-lago documents case. by all accounts, the judges here appeared more receptive to the prosecutions arguments, but trump and his lawyers may not really have been there to convince the judges anyway. for them, the point may have been the hearing itself. delaying trump's criminal trial, even if it meant explaining the hypothetical immunity and sending commandoes to assassinate your political rivals. joining me now is former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official chuck rosenberg. also with me is former senior adviser to president obama and co-host of pod save america, dan pfeiffer. gentlemen, thank you for being here. chuck, i was astounded and

he's going to -- i mean, nikki haley doesn't even come close to mike pence and sycophancy. way he's going there. no labels, to me, is at some point in time i think people are going to fundamentally figure out they are not a real clear in this game. all they are is somebody that's tried to raise money and highlight certain people on their board or whatever it happens to be. because at this point in time, the choices would be fundamentally at some point it's going to be clear, probably clear for all of us, it's a choice between and you want a potential dictatorship or do you want democracy? and everyone else has to decide where they are on a choice. they have to fundamentally decide where they are on their choice. >> mr. memoli, the senate is trying to come up with a solution at the border. if donald trump convinces the house gop to block it, and then the border crisis is on him. but the problem for biden will be that people don't realize that. how does this administration, or the biden campaign more importantly, so for that? >> well, this is such a vexing challenge. and we c

mike pence barely gained any traction.ink it's a reminder of what these lawmakers and other republicans tell me privately, which is that you have to stick with him, but loyalty only goes one way. it's not always a good thing when you come up the other side. >> dave, what happened around desantis? what was it? a year ago. this guy was going to be the want to break the gop of the trump fever. while, he is the one who ended up out. >> yeah, he had some basic problems. political talent is hard to gauge. it's a little subjective. he did not chided moments where he talked to voters, had to deliver speech. he had great confidence in his ability to give an -- speech, you could cover campaigns for, while an audience comes excited and leads deflated. they had a lot of our desantis. structurally, he signed a six-week abortion ban in florida after not running on it in the mid term. trump attacked him for that. really, the final moment of the primary was trump going after desantis for the politics of that and say, that's a political lo

. >> jonathan, strategically, donald trump doesn't really care who his vp is, mike pence was never his just wants you to look the part, behave and be quiet, when donald trump looks at his potential vp pick, is it nikki haley a lot more dangerous, a lot more dangerous as his opponent? for example tim scott, he is going to be with donald trump no matter what, he humiliated himself onstage, i love you donald trump. nikki haley, she is dangerous as an opponent. >> yeah, she's dangerous as an opponent but he is not going to pick her. she is young, she will outshine him, she will do all sorts of things that he won't like. i think it's much more likely that he picks senator scott, i mean, call me a cynic but as awfully convenient that you get engage the days after you make your big endorsement with the guy who will wrap up the nomination in a couple of days. i think governor haley needs to keep doing what she's doing, if only the nikki haley we saw in that clip, and we saw in the hours leading up to the new hampshire primary had been there for the last two or three months, she is taking the b

but trump is actively looking for people without the kind of backbone that even mike pence had at thele to show. that's what the republican party is right now. it is donald trump, and a bunch of people looking boots. there is part of me that is sad about this. >> yeah. >> i think the country is actually better with two healthy parties. >> for sure. >> but there's also part of me that is like, they're not who we thought they were. these are the people, they've been like this for generation, and this is just what we have to deal with. >> it's hard to imagine that mike pence would be the standard by which we measure any other republicans, but yet, here we are in the year 2024, doing exactly that. for courage. let me ask you really quickly about something that has become quite, oddly, front and center of this race in the final week before new hampshire. that is race itself. nikki haley's comments about slavery, not being a cause of the civil war, to her claim that america was never been, or has never been a racist country. trump is being trump. he's outright using racist nicknames, even p

look, mike pence's chief of staff endorsed him, nick ayers.uy -- i mean, they were not planning on doing nice things to mike pence on january 6th. so, that was kind of -- and this was a guy who was intimately -- i don't know if he was there, but he was certainly involved in mike pence's day-to-day life. these people are either -- i don't know what's in their hearts, but they clearly are falling in line with zeal. and i think they think that -- which i think is true, that donald trump won't go away. even if for some -- in some miraculous way nikki haley -- miraculous for her way that nikki haley would win all of these primary contests, which she hasn't yet, she came in third, that she would somehow -- that trump would go away. i don't think he will. trump is running with the desire, you know, really the desire to avoid prosecution. >> mark, i want to move on to nikki haley. as molly just talked about, you asked the following question, quote, what is nikki haley even thinking or talking about, excuse me, adding haley's sturdy pronouncements beli

tweet about pence that came after the violence had begun, and after there were real threats to mike penceassumed that maybe scavino had done that tweet. we now know that it was donald trump's thumbs that tweeted that tweet, at a point in time that pence was under danger. that is powerful proof. he cannot run from this now. and the fact that he's owning it on the campaign trail. >> yes. >> and now he's got his sycophants, stefanik said yesterday she called them hostages. >> carol leonnig, as said, some of these new facts are newish to us, we don't know the specifics but the contours are not new all. including reporting in your book "i alone can fix it." that the others who tried to call, tried to send donald trump a message either couldn't get through or figure head didn't want to hear it that a little tweet here is not going to solve the problem. he's going to actually have to do something to stop the violence, that part, we've known for some time. >> yes, we have. and also, i'll have to say, we know from other great reporting about fox news and discovery in a lawsuit, all of the fox news

. >> and mike pence, i hope you're going to stand up for the good of our constitution and for the good of our country. and if you're not, i'm going to be very disappointed in you. >> not long after that, the violent mob erected a gallows outside the u.s. capitol. and they call for the execution of mike pence for performing his constitutional duty to certify the election results. cassidy hutchinson, a former, she talked about it in her testimony before congress. >> they're literally calling for the vice president to be hung. and mark had responded something to the effect of, you heard that he thinks mike deserves it. he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. >> according to that january 6th committee, trump sat in the white house for four hours watching the carnage chaos and the desecration of the nation's capitol. he did not call the national guard. he did not immediately lead them. he did urge them to go home after they breached the capitol hours later with more lies. >> this was a fraudulent election. but we can't play into the hands of these people. we have to have peace. so go

here's mike pence denouncing that conspiracy theory, and obviously that's false, but here's mike pence denouncing it. let's talk about it on the other side. >> i have seen the director of the fbi repeatedly assure the american people that the fbi were not the instigators of the riot that occurred on january 6th, and frankly i am very grateful for the efforts of the fbi to bring nearly 1,000 people to justice that ransacked our capitol and did violence against police officers that day, but, you are right, we have been assured again and again that it was not the case. i have heard the many repeated assurances of the fbi they were not involved, and i take them at their word. >> john, a lot of what trump does out on the campaign trail, you know, it's almost like the courtroom has become the campaign trail and the campaign trail has become the courtroom for donald trump. he goes out there and he talks about the fbi and so on, but i just wonder, you know, from your standpoint, does the cold hard reality of his actions, does he finally get confronted with them do you think this year? we are i

he justified the chance of hanging mike pence because i asked him about, you know, god, this is terrible, this is awful. and he said, well, the people were angry. you know, it's common sense, john. it's common sense. i mean, how do you pass on a fraudulent vote? so he's he's offering a justification for the people who want to murder his vice president. so that's basically what was the focus of that interview as far as i saw. he had also said in the interview, he told me, i asked him, did you really want to go up to the capitol? because he said in his speech, and i'm going to come with you and he didn't go. and i don't know what you thought, dana, but i had covered trump a long time. i thought it was --. i'm sorry. can i say that? yes, i. i thought it was just he didn't, you know, he was just trying to say that to sound tough. yeah. and he never intended to go up there. and amidst all that. so i kind of ignored it. and then i heard cassidy hutchinson testify in graphic detail about how trump was infuriated. the secret service wouldn't allow him to go up. so i went back to kind of look at

. >> and the former gop one-time candidate mike pence said he hopes that the gop voters will give the party a fresh start. listen. >> i ran for president, because i think that different times call for different leadership, jake. i am hoping that the good people of iowa that i got to know so well in my campaign, and the good people of new hampshire and south carolina and they will look at this moment and recognize it that elections are about the future, and we need new leadership in the republican party, and we certainly need new leadership in the white house. >> all right. so how influential or perhaps gop univer al isal is pence's v? >> well, that is the argument that ron desantis and nikki haley is trying to make with varying degrees of success, but the problem is that argument does not sway a large portion of the people who are going to caucus on january 15th, and with donald trump, and with him no matter what, and so, just like the legal issues that he may have or the controversial statements that he may have don't sway him with this argument from mike pence or whomever is going t

it was joe biden, the current president of the united states, from mike pence , in turn, trump on januarye that he would not certify the voting results; it was pence’s lack of loyalty, disloyalty, according to trump, that deprived him of a second presidential term in white house. and on this day, most likely later, trump very much regretted that... to contain iran, china, and russia, working in the security council, and yes, today nikiheili is a candidate from the washington swamp, if you like, he is a candidate from the american one. it’s not easy with conservative ideas in the state department, now lloyd austin is doing the same work to clean up the pentagon, the system of american power, american public administration is still one way or another migrating towards the democrats, so this is how trump will immediately find people, and for top positions , of course, he’ll probably find it, although we remember there were problems with this, he changed secretaries of state, he was there first tillerson, then pompey. administration into the ukrainian conflict, he is very skeptical about the

remember those chants, hang mike pence? well, according to sources familiar with jack smith's investigation, quote, former trump aide nick luna told federal investigate tors that w trump was told pence had to be rushed to a secure location, shed, quote, so what? he also said that luna told investigators he was, quote, capable of allowing harm to come to one of his closest allies at the time. >> his aides and lawyers spent 20 minutes trying to persuade trump to release a statement calming the crowd. it was no use, so they chose to leave him alone, and that's when trump himself tweeted that pence, quote, didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. sources say former deputy chief of staff, dan scavino and others rushed back into the dining room, quote, to explain to trump that an attack on pence was not what we needed, and trump responded, but it's true. >> when scavino talked to trump that night, he said, quote, this is all your legacy here. sp there's smoke coming out of the capitol. he said he could take the ri