does mike pence have a point? >> mike pence's point, he is welcome to make it and i'm very happy that he served four years as a very dutiful, loyal and aligned vice president. i know when vice president pence disagreed with the direction or maybe some of the cabinet level advice that president trump was receiving on a particular issue, that vice president pence expressed that hesitation or disagreement privately, and that is the way to do it. i think they had four years of a very successful administration, particularly pre-covid. but even then when mike pence took on the difficult task of heading up the coronavirus task force, after that it would be known more publicly or popularly as covid-19, but every day listening to the doctors, listening to private sector, public sector, it was vice president pence who was in charge of that. he's welcome to disagree. i think there is an argument to be made for a federal minimum standard, not a ban, because ban is a four letter word for a federal minimum standard on abortion.

kamala harris is an intellectual elephant and donald trump and mike pence are fleas. host: what about her intellect? guest: i think she has plenty of intellect. she's served as attorney general and she did a very good job representing californians in the senate. i think that when it came to running her own presidential campaign in 2020 during the democrat primary and certainly in the campaign afterwards, i think that a lot of voters were not pleased with ha they saw. that's why she sort of started at the top when she announced her run for president and then ultimately had to withdraw from the race before voting even began in iowa. i think that's a big tell of how if -- that you are not ready for the national platform of the executive branch. host: we will go down to houston, texas. tom is a republican there. good morning, tom. caller: good morning. good morning. thanks for taking my call. i have been a republican, i am 85 years old, been a republican a long time. i am leaning towards voting for president biden and vice president harris. look, this guy that you are int

kamala harris is an intellectual elephant and donald trump and mike pence are fleas. host: what about her intellect? guest: i think she has plenty of intellect. she's served as attorney general and she did a very good job representing californians in the senate. i think that when it came to running her own presidential campaign in 2020 during the democrat primary and certainly in the campaign afterwards, i think that a lot of voters were not pleased with ha they saw. that's why she sort of started at the top when she announced her run for president and then ultimately had to withdraw from the race before voting even began in iowa. i think that's a big tell of how if -- that you are not ready for the national platform of the executive branch. host: we will go down to houston, texas. tom is a republican there. good morning, tom. caller: good morning. good morning. thanks for taking my call. i have been a republican, i am 85 years old, been a republican a long time. i am leaning towards voting for president biden and vice president harris. look, this guy that you are int

trump's former vp mike pence slamming him for not calling for a national ban, writing, "president trump's retreat on the right to life is a slap in the face to the millions of pro-life americans who voted for him in 2016 and 2020." the supreme court, with three trump-appointed justices, struck down roe v. wade in 2022, returning the issue to the states, where some now have near total abortion bans. others have no restrictions. >> i was proudly the person responsible for the ending of something that all legal scholars, both sides, wanted and in fact demanded be ended, roe v. wade. >> reporter: but just 36% of americans support the overturning of roe according to an nbc news poll. and the issue has energized democrats. for mr. trump today's announcement is the latest step in a long public evolution on abortion. >> i'm very pro choice. >> i'm pro life. >> we will agree to a number of weeks which will be where both sides will be happy. >> meanwhile, garrett, former president trump made an 11th hour bid to delay his manhattan hush money trial. what can you tell us? >> reporter: that's right, l

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i mean, hadn't mike pence not done the right thing? i mean, it's it's extraordinary. >> it's the same thing with the execution part that was a part that i couldn't stop because we had a lot more questions to ask him, but alyssa farah griffin said that bill barr and other top cabinet officials were present when donald trump, onetime suggested executing the leaker of whoever said that he went to the bunker when the washington post and cnn reported he went to the bunker of the white house because they are worried about the protest. and bill barr said he remembered him being irate. he didn't remember that specific call for executing him, but he said that it happened at other times where trump was was really angry, but it would die down on and no one took it seriously simply because it didn't happen. i mean, it's just remarkable to hear a top cabinet aid confirmed that, yes the president of the united states at that time did say things like that, right talks about it more and more than one executing and you could almost see during the inter

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and when i saw the video of mike pence being evacuated, it was a clear realization that when my dad was evacuated was because america was facing the threat from al qaeda and concerns one may be flying into the white house. and when vice president pence was evacuated, it was because of a threat from our own citizens instigated by our own president. and i remember on the night of 9/11, president bush when he spoke to the nation from the oval office, he said the terrorists can shake the foundations of our biggest building, but they cannot shake the foundations of our democracy. and i believed strongly that the threat we face today is one that does threaten the foundations. and i think that it is important to remember how grave that is. i want to say a couple things. my mom and dad are watching, so i want to say hello to my mom and my dad. and -- bush and her sister, trisha, are in the audience. i want to say hello to them as well. and sitting close to them, my husband, bill, my daughter, elizabeth, both of whom work on the select committee. very grateful for them. john: we want to talk abo

mike pence was doing that as general milley said, it was mike pence on the phone taking control sayingso said in the middle of that mark meadows called him and said, hey, we have to tamp down on the narrative that the vice president is in charge. the president is still the commander in chief, and milley is incredulous because he has not heard from president trump. president trump never calls, milley never calls mccarthy, never calls acting secretary miller, never calls any police or military agency. we've got to be clear that the authority to deploy the guard has been delegated to the secretary of the defense and ultimately to the secretary of the army and the national guardsmen who have testified today told the same thing to the select committee, they were frustrated that that order to deploy did not come faster. they're sitting still for a period of time when they could have been moving toward the capitol. all of this is laid out in appendix 2 of the select committee report in great detail. >> congressman, did you want to jump in on that? >> yes, only to add, look, being on the floor

or to pressure mike pence the county's illegitimate votes. and worse comes to worse, throw things to the 12th amendment. i will say, even with the fraudulent electors, even if some of them might've thought, maybe this is a legit scheme. as tom said, i the time they voted, -- even after that, in wisconsin, we had someone from the republican party flying out to d.c. on january 5th to try to make sure the fraudulent slate got to mike pence. in one of her text, she said, i feel like a drug dealer. >> wasn't that also were someone past the list to ron johnson to get to mike pence? and he was the one carrying it? he was like, someone gave me something. i do not really know. someone gives you a ziploc bag, you carry it over. can i just say this, tom, the other thing that strikes me. to questions. one is, i believe of the seven states, new mexico is one of them. i think in two of the states, the language of the thing they certified had a legal hedge where they said nothing like -- if the litigation proved successful -- in the other one, there is no h

on january 5th to try to make sure that that fraudulent slate got to mike pence and in one of her text she says i feel like a drug dealer, lol. >> wasn't that also were someone past the list to ron johnson to get to mike pence? and he was the one carrying in the center of wisconsin. i was just giving it to the vice president. i don't really know. someone gives you a the block bag and you carry over to the vice president whatever it is going to be. can i just say this? tom, the other thing that strikes me. i'm pulling this from memory if i'm not mistaken. i believe in the seven states, new mexico is one of the states, someone really. two of the state, the language of the things they certified had some kind of legal hedge where they said something like i think pennsylvania and new mexico, i may not be remembering this correctly but basically if the litigation proved successful, yada yada, there is no hedge, a straightforward lie, fraudulent certification say we are the proper electors here. >> that is exactly right. so five of the seven states had no contingency language whatsoever for t

mike pence will join us live in moments to weigh in on speaker mike johnson's future amid calls for himresign. let's keep on going. griff:president biden is solid on his relapse retaliatory strike against iran as tensions remain high in the region with calls for de-escalation. lucas tomlinson live on the north lawn of the white house to kick things off with the latest. >> reporter: white house officials closely monitoring the vote on capitol hill keeping president biden updated. the democratic congressman who applauded the job the republic now speaker is doing. >> mike johnson has one of the hardest jobs in the country, in the world, trying to bring together bipartisan legislation, i applied speaker johnson's courage, back home all of us want democrats and republicans working together. >> reporter: white house and israeli officials have been silent about the strike in iran the destroyed russian defense systems in iran's uranium enrichment plant, a necessary element to make nuclear weapons. >> is real satisfied the demand for response to iran's attack without opening a new campaign a com

mike pence did. so it's not a given that what happened on january 6, 2020, what happened again to me, that was one of the most extraordinary moments that doubt him downplaying efforts over the election by saying to you, did he succeed as though that makes it all right. >> i mean, hadn't mike pence not done the right thing? i mean, it's it's extraordinary. >> it's the same thing with the execution part that was a part that i couldn't stop because we had i had a lot more questions to ask him, but alyssa farah griffin said that bill barr and other top cabinet officials were present when donald trump onetime suggested executing the leaker of whoever said that he went to the bunker when the washington post cnn reported he went to the bunker of the white house because they are worried about the protest and bill barr said he remembered him being irate. he didn't remember that specific call for executing him, but he said that it happened to others there are times where trump was was really angry, but it woul

i wasn't in mike pence's shoes and the information that he had at that time. i don't know how he based his decisions. i think he's a nice man. i think that he's failed to. donald trump since that day because he certainly does not recognize that we need someone in the white house who needs him out on the trail advocating for him instead of constantly criticized ding and going back and ripping them apart all right. >> joining me now is cnn anchor and chief political correspondent dana bash. dana, good morning to you. >> morning so much to talk about from your show yesterday, but that really stuck out to me. >> i have to say what kristi noem had to say there in that obviously the vice president plays a critical role in certifying the 2024 election when we get there, this has become something of a litmus test for potential trump vps like jd vance and others who will say like no, i would not have done what mike pence did. she didn't go there. what are you going on? she wouldn't go there and poked me a little bit. saying only the media cares about january 6 trump ca

we know that mike pence said that it was a slap in the face.atement. >> but we >> also reached out to the influential evangelical leader bob van der platz, who says that trump's stance, quote, is deeply disappointing. the pro-life community is looking for more. >> just thinking about that statement. of course, i do wonder what the impact is going to be given the support in the past. i >> think what you hear in all of these statements, again, is a recognition that they just don't have any leverage over him he is the leader of the party. he has a following that is slavishly devoted to him. and they can cry and scream all they want. but he's the one who is correctly seeing where the middle of the electorate is on this issue, as we just talked about in every state that's had a referendum, even deep red states the pro-life side has lost. so this is a very active and passionate movement, but it's a minority of the electorate and they know that. and i think you here in these expressions, a disappointment sort of tacit acknowledgment that they just don

that he would come in an event let alone one with mike pence.s the substance at the time. was being surprised that jim jordan was willing to still stick his neck out for donald trump after the access hollywood tape. these were dire times and for the following weeks folks were talking, i remember among journalists, who is going to run in 2020 on the republican side. it wasn't about donald trump and at that point in time. having another story drop at that point, talk about the final explosion. i mean, it would have been incomprehensible at that point. >> and andrew weissmann, the legal significance of this political context is that even trump believed this to be the case. because trump after david pecker said, quote, i'm not a bank, end quote, became the bank. and that is why the testimony that began the day today was with michael cohen's banker and again anyone that dealt with michael cohen could arrive at any of these personal conclusions. but to your point and harry's point, about the crux of the crime, is around the payment that was fraudulent

i think he's scared of mike pence. i think mike pence must know too much.ut with lindsey graham, this is a game they're playing. 7 out of 10 americans believe women should have the right to choose. republicans are losing elections on this issue. so, trump is gonna be the good guy or bad guy depending on which side you're on. and then lindsay will be on the other side, fitting hissy, saying trump is too lenient to calm the pro-choice republicans down. it's like wrestling, but with guys who, if you saw them in their underpants, you'd throw up. [ laughter ] [ applause ] meanwhile, the arizona supreme court today ruled that the state has to follow a law from 1864 that makes getting an abortion a criminal offense with a sentence of two to five years. isn't that great? we're playing by the 1864 rules now. and these weaklings who worship trump, everything he does is great. even looking directly at an eclipse is great. >> remember back in 2017, people were criticizing president trump for looking at the eclipse? all the things donald trump did that he was told not t

the scheme failed when mike pence accepted all certified biden/harris votes on january 6th , 2021. the indicted fake electors include kelli ward, who was chair of the arizona republican party, who was indicted with her husband michael ward as a fake elector. two republican members of the state legislature have been indicted, jacob hoffman and anthony kern. for anyone who still needs a lesson in how much your vote matters, the democratic attorney general of the state of arizona won her election by 280 votes, 280 votes out of 2.5 million votes cast. so if a couple hundred people didn't get to vote that day or voted differently in that election, we would not be reading these indictments tonight. tonight arizona's attorney general, kris mayes, announced the indictments. >> let me thank everyone for their patience as we conducted a thorough and professional investigation into the fake elector scheme in our state. i understand for some of you today didn't come fast enough and i know i'll be criticized by others for conducting this investigation at all, but as i have stated before and wil

transmitted this document to the national archives and to congress for counting by vice president mike pence on january 6th. even though joe biden had won arizona by more than 10,000 votes. and, you know the rest. tonight, arizona attorney general, chris mays, has indicted those 11 fake electors on felony criminal charges, along with seven other co- conspirators affiliated with trumps 2020 presidential campaign. those co-conspirators are names that will be familiar to you. according to reporting from multiple outlets, they are marked manos, trumps former white house chief of staff, rudy giuliani, jenna ellis, john eastman and christina bobb, all of whom were lawyers advising donald trump in various postelection lawsuits and schemes, along with trump campaign officials mike roman and boris epshteyn. five of these people were indicted for similar conduct in the state of georgia, where jenna ellis has pleaded guilty. the 11 fake electors were part of a multistate scheme to help donald trump overturned a result of the 2020 election. there are already prosecutions of at least some of these fake e

in particular, his four vice president mike pence, who posted this on twitter. he said, social conservatives, excuse me as president trump's retreat on the right to life is a slap up in the face to millions of pro-life americans whwho voted for him in 2016. an 2020. >> again, this is an issue >> that is not only plagued republicans, but donald trump as well. he would have rather not talk about this at all. he doesn't believe as a political winner, but given his own public flirting with this national abortion ban, they felt like you needed to come out and say where he stood on the issue, wealth >> kristen holmes reporting for us. thank you very much. let's get some analysis right now from cnn senior political commentator scott jennings and cnn political commentator karen finney. karen trump appears to be trying to appeal to republican leading women who've drifted away because of roe. can you can that work you think >> no. but i think you're right. look, i think he's actually trying to have it both ways. he's trying to find a place down the middle where he can app

. >> so when mike pence said that he talk to lawyers and he felt that he had absolutely no ability to reject the election on january 6th, to think he was wrong when he did that i wasn't in mike pence's shoes. >> and the information that he had at that time. i don't know how he based since decisions, i think he's a nice man. i think that he's failed to donald trump since that day because he certainly does not recognize that we need someone in the white house who needs him out on the trail advocating for him instead of constantly criticizing and going back and ripping them apart we are running. this race is about people who love america and people who are trying to destroy america. and joe biden is trying to destroy america. i'd encourage mike pence and everybody else to get out there and to help donald trump get elected because he is the only person in this race who is going to make sure okay. >> it looks like it looks like governor, forgive me, your shot is freezing a little bit. we definitely got everything in there that you wanted to say. and i don't know if you can hear me now, but

do you agree with former vice president mike pence, the donald trump, just delivered a slap in the face. to the pro-life movement >> look, i don't believe this particular statement is the cause of the division between mike pence and donald trump. but i think we are very clear in the pro-life movement and we've always been that ending abortion is a federal issue that your human rights you're right to exist, not be killed, not end or start depending on state line. >> but >> i actually was pleasantly surprised by the presence statement today. i was i was glad to see that he didn't fall in the trap. that democrats wanted him to fall into taking a stand on divisive late term abortion law, which would only prevent four to 6% of abortions in america, yet would have been a fundraising cash cow for joe biden and democrats. >> are you talking about virion that is around are you talking about a ban on abortion that would be around 15 or 16 weeks. is that what you're referring to there? >> sure. you in february, the new york times rumor that president trump was flirting with the idea of coming out

scott and former vice president mike pence immediately called trump's statements today, a slap in thelions of anti-abortion voters who supported him back in 2016 and 2020, does trump have a potential problem on his right flank? >> well, there >> are some pro-life >> conservatives who are very angry with trump today. they wanted to see him make a forceful moral argument about why abortion is wrong. >> he >> chose not to do that certainly mike pence falls in that camp. the raul political calculation for trump though, is, where are these voters going to go? they're certainly not going to vote for joe biden, who's been all over this issue for his entire career. he's held every position you can have on abortion, but today, he's the most liberal president we've never had on this issue. so if you're a pro-life conservative and you're looking at two guys on the ballot, the trump bet is, hey, you may not love my transaction elysium on this. but what are you going to do? vote for biden, and they're betting those folks couple. >> the other option if they could do scotus to vote to simply stay ho

. >> mike pence. >> what did mike pence say? >> i was at a hotdog place in ohio with mike pence. on the bus. his events the next day was canceled in wisconsin. the big question is donald trump going to lead the ticket or will mike pence lead the ticket? there were talks about whether donald trump would continue on or whether mike pence would lead. days later michael cohen gets a phone call from the national enquire per stormy daniels has her own story of the alleged affair. and then donald trump the prosecution alleges directed her to be paid off. and for an arrangement to be struck. and he tried to avoid the prosecution alleges, for more than two weeks, actually executing on that. seeing if they could make it to election day without having to pay her $130,000. at the end of october, the prosecution lines up, is that michael cohen called donald trump and said we're getting pressure. we have to make this happen. the prosecution alleges that donald trump at that point at the end of october that, okay, do the $130,000 payment. i'll reimburse you. >> the other point about the access

to suburban women will matter, the lease stefanik -- someone who's a whip on the hill, something mike pencet of south carolina. someone who not only helps with a creature of the senate, knows how to write a bill, pass a bill, make deals and shake hands but good outreach for black men the trump campaign is courting and all trump needs is an extra margin of the black vote democrats have taken for granted over the years and president biden, his coalition falls apart. ashley: it is fascinating to follow, we have a long way to go. the gift that keeps on giving. thanks for joining us with your excellent insight. appreciate it. to the markets and your money. the selloff, we will talk about it after the break, when investment down 6%, market watchers jonathan honecker and carol roth, we will be back after the break. ♪ ♪ (speaking to self) about our honeymoon. what about africa? safari? hot air balloon ride? swim with elephants? wait, can we afford a safari? great question. like everything, it takes a little planning. or, put the money towards a down-payment... ...on a ranch ...in montana ...with ho

mike pence probably will not because he actually has core convictions, but the susan b. anthony less these other groups have criticized trump before, and they ultimately come in the fold know when things lindsey graham isn't going to ultimately come around and embrace them his real issue to maria's point is he's losing public sentiment on this and a major way and republicans are losing down-ballot if they don't moderate, how do you make of how the biden campaign is handling this? because biden responded right away today watching this, he's at a fundraiser tonight, chicago saying that no one trusts trump on this issue talking about, i mean, we just showed how many times he's changed his own position on this. >> i think i think they are responding exactly how they need to. they have an ad out that is heart wrenching about this woman who is somebody who tried to get her abortion care done and she was i believe in texas and she was not able to get it. she almost died twice and she probably can't have kids again. so again, democrats will paint this as a band is a band is a ba

president mike pence on january 6th even though joe biden had won arizona by more than 10,000 votes, and you know the rest tonight arizona general chris mayes indicted them on seven criminal charges along with seven other coconspirator teres. those coconspirators are names that will be familiar to you reporting to reporting from multiple outlets mayer mark meadows, trump's white house chief of of staff, all advising and representing trump in various election lawsuits and schemes along with trump campaign officials boris epstein and mike roman five of these seven people were also inidated for similar conduct in the state of georgia where jenna ellis has already pleaded guilty the 11 fake electors were part of a multi-state scheme to help former president trump overturn results of the 2020 election there are already prosecution of at least some of these fake electors in three of the seven states involved in that multi-state scheme involving georgia, michigan, and nevada. but tonight marks the first time that criminal charges are being brought in the state of arizona. >> we're here beca

mike pence would bless it and say what is more important is what he's doing in appointing judges in the court. >> given that it is all going to play out in this year's presidential race. that this is the pro-biden group that is particularly entrusting. take a look. >> god says i need someone willing to give their whole life in service. so biden answered the call. god made us all together that we will make our democracy strong. thank god that we chose a faithful president who doesn't worship themselves to uphold. for such a time as this, we pray what is true to our hearts for four more years. >> the president who doesn't worship himself. my goodness. those words are doing a lot of work. >> right. we all know all four of us know that serves leadership. that the president is suppose to be a servant leader, serving us. that you would hear about trump saying he will be a dictator for a day, if it happens. it could be for the rest of the lifetime in our children's and more and if that happens, that's totally against american history. the highest rank of the united states is not president. it

el exvicepresidente mike pence lo calificÓ como una bofetada en la cara.io y atacado por aliados y detractores. >> (habla en ingles). >> (habla en ingles). >> ella fue violada y aborto cuando era una adolescente. >> creo que los polÍticos no tienen voz sobre las decisiones de las mujeres. >> el tema va a definir su voto al igual que ella. >> usa mucho la biblia para apoyarse en eso como para ganar votos. con los latinos cristianos. si exactamente tuviera ese temor a dios como habla, hubiera dicho no al aborto. >> a lo largo de la campaÑa donald trump ha reiterado orgullosamente que escogiÓ tres de los seis jueces conservadores de la corte suprema de justicia que le pusieron fe en a la fin a la posiciÓn federal del aborto. la campaÑa biden dice que por culpa de donald trump dos cada tres mujeres viven en riesgofin a la posiciÓn federal del aborto. la campaÑa biden dice que por culpa de donald trump dos de cada tres mujeres viven en riesgo por las decisiones en cuanto al aborto. trump ha sido pro y contra el aborto y esta analista piensa que va a volver a ca

cut that ad because it's funny how people haven't even internalized how significant it is that mike penceit happened. pence sort of undersold it when he mentioned it in a fox news interview. we came on and led the hour with it. i had the same reaction. i was like, why isn't this, you know, breaking and -- rolling breaking news? it just never happened in our history that someone's vice president hasn't endorsed him. i want to follow up with you quickly on the generals. this is a conversation donny and i started at the table as well. i think what some of them would say is generals shouldn't be telling people who to vote for. it is also true, though, that the american people were told after september 11th if you see something say something. and you know who saw a whole lot of somethings? the generals. and there's been an extraordinary body of reporting on what happened in those tank briefings with donald trump. a lot of reporting has come out about john kelly taking messages and direction from trump to be more like the nazis, more like hitler's generals, more like german generals. and i thin

that mike pence could go this route. but what chris is outlining in this indictment is this was a conspiracy intended for on january 6th or in the two weeks to follow, to seat donald trump as president. whether he actually had 270 electoral college votes or not. >> i was struck by the same passage. can we bring it back up again? this seems legally very, very significant. that this sort of cover under which some of these fake electors have operated. this was a contingency plan. she completely disassembles that. >> right. i thought that passage about the email sent from unindicted coconspirator five to pennsylvania attorney is really damning because it says just fyi, i recall now there was a rush to file our petition to give legal cover for the electors in arizona to vote on the 14th. that email is stunning. and that has been in the public domain before. you can identify from other public reporting who the unindicted coconspirator is. but i had forgotten about these details. it is like the hush money trial going on we have

wade was overturned two years ago from the right, his vice president mike pence tweets out presidentt to life is a slap in the face to the millions of pro-life americans who voted for him in 2016 and 2020. moan tin the meantime trump is scrambling since he is the one responsible for overturning roe the voters will hold him accountable in 2024. well, i have news for donald, they will. what about this stance and what lies next? let's bring in our panel. "the five" co-host jessica tarlov bill mcgurn columnist for the "wall street journal" and kimberley strassel member ever the editorial board at thee "wall street journal" as well. kimberly, first to you, your thoughts on former president trump's announcement and what this means politically for him. >> yeah. i would argue that this was actually a shrewd decision and here is why. first of all, look, he has been taking credit for putting those justices on the court who came out with dobbs. so this completes the circle as it was because that fundamental part of that decision was saying, look, this is something that is probably going to have

the authority to not certify joe biden's victory, contrary to what donald trump was pressuring mike pence to do. it's good to see you this morning. thank you for joining us. >> could morning. thank you for having me on this morning. >> as he posted on social media , before the oral arguments on thursday, one of your takeaways was that, quote, the court and the parties discussed everything but the specific question presented. i want to see what you believe the specific question that the court should have been considering is, and why it didn't succeed in addressing it. >> the supreme court has now fiddled while the home has almost burned to the ground, trivializing the existential threat to america's democracy and the rule of law facing the country. america's democracy and rule of law are the heart and soul of the nation. it's our democracy and the rule of law that have made america the beacon of freedom from the world for almost 250 years. donald trump's attempt to overturn the presidential election did drive a stake through america's democracy and the rule of law. his efforts to overturn

you were obviously there with mike pence on the capitol, and you testified before the grand jury. curious about your take because it seems based on what we heard at the supreme court, it is very likely that this case would get kicked back, and that could be delayed, and that likely means that this case won't go to trial before election day. what are the implications of that? >> kristen, i think that most voters have made their decision at this point and i think the president's actions on january 6th, he should be held accountable for the voters and i'm not sure the legal system should render a verdict beforehand. from the court's perspective. this is a novel case and it's understandable, the process and the american people have held him accountable, and i think mitch mcconnell has been entirely consistent on this, and despite the president's dereliction of duty, and at the end of the day, you don't want to be impeaching presidents, and you don't have a white house counsel's office, and that would be a terrible precedent. >> the interview was very well done. >> thank you. >> he sai

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known by secret service protecting both donald trump and mike pence.r threat endangering his life further. i mean, we know that there isn't a circuit breaker when it comes to an imminent threat of violence against someone who has displeased him. how do you protect a jury that doesn't have the kind of secret service protection mike pence had? >> well, i will say when our jurors were anonymous -- and let me add, they were anonymous to us, the prosecutors and the defense attorneys. we didn't even know their names. so i sat there in court for six months staring at them, and they were staring at us, and i didn't even know their names. in fact, i remember getting up in closing arguments after six months and saying, folks, we've been staring at each other for six months, do you know how happy i am that i finally get to talk directly with you, but with we had u.s. marshals that would transport the jurors to the courthouse every day from an undisclosed location. we didn't know where they were picking them up, and at the end of every trial day, they would be tra

they -- mike pence went running for his life. suffering from physical and mental and emotional injuries forever. so the lies aren't just fictions and fabrications and lies they tell, just to get each other off. they're dangerous deadly lies and they make people lose elections. what is the spell that they're all under? >> it is did, well that is a really good question. i think we've spent hours together trying to figure that out. but there is one thing that appears to be true. and i think it is something that we have to remember. that is that when you get indicted, for something that you did in furtherance of the big lie, it helps you in the republican party of today. in the bat crazy republican party of today. this guy gets indicted and that is probably why he got elected. national committeeman because he was indicted. prosecution is now a badge of honor in this crazy tale. and, you know, you look at the trial. and you -- the stunning testimony that journalists were burying stories that would have been very interesting to their r

i think what's interesting is mike pence weighed in today.dent's remarks. that's a very vulnerable place for him. very hard-core pro-life in a religious conservative which is what mike pence of stances literally was paid for. he was vouching for trump with that constituency and if that weakens a little bit or if there is a which there he will speak out about it that is a tricky terrain for trump to navigate. this is a really tough issue for him. i think it is fitting he would do it at the end of the primary. i don't the queue would've done that three months ago with ron desantis and others out there trying to hit him from the right on abortion. we will see how he does going forward. certainly the white house but also social conservatives are looking very closely at any signs of weakness on him on abortion and fudging it. >> a great point. mark, what you observe as well is he's so obsessed with his perceived strength he would never say nikki haley has a point or i learned some things in the primary. he's tacking very different now because the

argued is prosecutors and the doj and jack smith was able to get, they've spoken to people like mike pencehe argues the public should be able to hear that information and i would like to too. thank you for joining us. >>> still ahead, we'll go live to cnbc for an early look at what's driving the day on wall street. >>> plus, the house passes a bill which could force the sale of tiktok. we'll break this down and the expected legal battle ahead. "way too early" is coming right back. "way too early" is coming right back times may change, but somethings remain timeless. i've been using dove beauty bar more than 25 years. dove is 1/4 moisturizing cream. ♪♪ i feel silky smooth. ♪♪ ♪ upbeat music ♪ asthma. it can make you miss out on those epic hikes with friends. step back out there, with fasenra. fasenra is an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra helps prevent asthma attacks. most patients did not have an attack in the first year. fasenra is proven to help you breathe better so you can get back to doing day-to-day activities. and fasenra helps lower

doesn't want any of the conventional or mike pence in the world. he wants people who will do his bidding. rick grinnell is basically a jumped up internet troll, tv personality. the fact that he was acting director of national intelligence, just the most remarkable thing. if you would have said this 10 years ago, does somebody like rick purnell, will become architect of domestic policy including the policies on the board. exactly the kinds of people you want the levers of power. these are the kinds of people who will bring back in a second trump term. >> there was some incredible investigative work done by the select committee. on the sort of endgame strain that trump but on haskell and other lifelong national security act hurts. to charlie's point, you did not have all of the agencies run by cash hotels. and rick grinnell. they were there, but they were not running the cia, running the pentagon. in a second trump term, they would be. the clash of values and cultures wants to protect america's role in democracy. they are promising to do on day one.

and former vice president mike pence who called trump's statement a slap in the face to millions of pro-life americans who voted for him in 2016 and 2020. indeed, let's dig a little deeper into how trump's statement yesterday caused a rift between the former president and one of his most faithful allies, senator graham. after he called it a mistake and said he respectfully disagrees abortion is a states right issue, trump simply unloaded on the south carolina lawmaker. in one social media post trump wrote, i blame myself for lindsey graham because the only reason he won in the great state of south carolina is because i endorsed him. graham, of course, has been senator since 2003 when trump was still a registered democrat. another post read this, senator lindsey graham should spend more time focusing on all of the many people being killed because of our now nonexistent border and the millions of people dying in senseless, never ending wars. and then in a third post trump wrote graham is doing a great disservice to the republican party and to our country and that people like him were handing d

i think the logic around that was because mike pence had sweet -- huge sway with the evangelical voteing to sources they say like it has to be a woman or a person of color so senator tim scott of south carolina, trustee known, katie britt calley say that that could help the republican ticket starting with former president trump at the top, may be make some headway with -- which, you know, oftentimes is a woman that ends up playing the deciding vote. so we'll have to see what logic really plays out in terms of the trump team but, you know, they have a big list and as we get closer to the convention the air going to have to narrow it down. >> sandra: the former president is -- is reportedly set to the criteria phishing in case of an emergency and also someone who can help expand his appeal in november. julia, while i have you come former president donald trump is planning to head out to both wisconsin and michigan. this as polling shows president biden is closing the gap in those key battleground states. what you make of that? >> so look, sandra, over the course of the next several mont