mike pence, a lifelong conservative, and didn't even call mike pence that day when he was up there and mike pence has said that donald trump put his life in danger, also his family who was with him. so he's made that clear, but it does speak to abby's point about who is going to be around donald trump? if he is if he is going to be potentially put back in the white house it could be people who say they won't stop at this point. >> mrs. perspective, by the way, as you're talking about it, this supreme court right now, that is deliberating as to whether he would have immunity absolute immunity so we've talked about who would surround a future president or somebody who might return to the oval office if it president has absolute immunity, it doesn't matter who is to his left, more whose to his right or anyone because no one above them that's the whole point the law would even be below him and that's part of what the consideration is going forward. remember, there are asking for condition tional, the way he talks about conditional are asking for absolute immunity, and all that is being con

hang up mike pence. >> for the record, secret service agents rushed vice president mike pence to a secure, avoiding a run in with rioters i just 40 feet. j.d. vance is the latest republican to try and rewrite what happened on january 6th but he is far from the only one. after repeatedly insisting the participants that they were not lawless rioters but political activists being held hostage by the deep state, this week, donald trump announced in an interview with "time magazine," he would absolutely consider pardoning the january 6th the federal convicts. meanwhile, trump is repeating the big lie that brought those people out to the capitol in the first place. at rallies yesterday in wisconsin and michigan, trump once again claimed the 2020 election had been stolen from him. >> the radical left democrats relate to the presidential election in 2020 and we are not going to allow them to week the presidential election in 2024. we have to watch the cheating. keep your eyes open. watch the cheating. the radical left democrats rigged the presidential election in 2020. >> it is not just trump and

on january 6 if vice president mike pence comes through frehse, we will win the presidency based on, four years of seeing mike pence being very loyal. >> i think donald trump believe that in the end, he could get my pens to fold we're diagonals contrary back as his supporters gathered for the rally from repeated these dangerous lies all vice president pence has to do is send it back to the states to reason certify and we become president. >> and you are the happiest people then mike pence puts out his statement that says he does not have the authority to do anything the statement came out while the president was onstage urging his supporters to march march to the capitol we fight like hell. >> and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore he knows that these people were his it's most loyal followers. >> the hanging on every word of his and he told them to march to the capitol after his speech. >> trump returned to the white house. >> he was watching the television coverage. he was impressed with how big this crowd was when riders breached the capitol tr

-- mike pence refused to endorse trump.built a gallows. it was not an operational gallows, but they were chanting hang mike pence. this is, obviously, not a good job. >> the fact that the secret service took him out of their was enough of a threat. it tells you how worried security was about mike pence's safety. this was serious. >> but, the desperation to still get that job is shocking. >> j.d. vance was on tv saying, i didn't think that mike pence is life was at risk. he said that a week ago. these people beat police officers to within an inch of their life. some took their lives days later, because of the trauma and what they went through. they would've killed mike pence for donald trump. they committed seditious conspiracy. they were convicted of that, for donald trump. he has his own militia. there is a military wing of maga that is there. whoever is the vp has to know, anytime, if you break the loyalty oath to donald trump, like in the mafia, they are going to come for you. >> the politically savvy people, if there ar

what happened to mike pence. look, mike pence refused to endorse trump. they built a gallows.ional gallows, so that's what we should note. but they did, and they were chanting hang mike pence. so this is obviously not a good job. >> i was going to say, i think the fact the secret service took him out of there is enough of a threat that tells you how worried the security was about mike pence's safety. this was serious. >> yeah, but the desperation to still got that job is shocking. >> but j. d. vance was on cnn saying i don't think mike pence's life is at risk. he literally said that about a week and a half ago. these people fighting for trump beat police officers within an inch of their life. some took their life days or weeks later due to the trauma. they would have killed mike pence for donald trump. they committed seditious conspiracy for donald trump. he has his own militia. there's a military wing of maga, which is a small percentage, but it's there. and whoever is his vp has to know if at any time you break the loyalty oath of donald trump, like in the mafia, they'll com

he told me he would go to pence's say, but, mike, this decision is crazy and there'd be this pause. and pence, the governor would be waiting for him to say, yes, i know, but he never did. instead, pence always said, i understand. thank you for your input. it would never, ever, ever betray even the tiniest hint of disloyalty. now, fortunately for reporters, other vice presidents haven't always been so reticent, or at least their staffs haven't won. one thing i've learned in covering the white house most of these last three years is that you could often get really good information from a vice presidents staff because they're actually in the meetings, but nobody notices them. and they have their own interest. they're promoting their own guy, their own person, as opposed to they're also promoting the president. but their first loyalty, the person they're thinking about the most is the vice president. sometimes, therefore, is in their interest as they see it, to help us understand what's going on in the white house. so as reporters, i would say i'm very grateful to vice presidents and the

mike pence caitlin, i'm extremely skeptical that mike pence's life was ever in danger. i think politics and politics people like to really exaggerate things from time to time i disagree with senator my source tonight to react to that new york times senior political correspondent and cnn political analyst mega era. now trump court watcher. >> as we were in the courtroom yesterday, i'm j.d. vance. >> he is someone who is there are a lot of names always swirling around for trump's potential vice president. but j.d. vance is usually on the top of the list. when you talk to these people in trump's orbit, 100%, there's a lot of people who think that ultimately it will be vance now to be clear, we have no idea what trump is going to do and it's a fool's errand to try to predict who he's going to choose for anything. but vance is very clearly a top choice and part of it is because of what we just saw in that interview. he is really effective in defending trump on top hello, vision. now, i think the secret service would also disagree that mike pence's life was not in danger, but

i remember when she went toe to toe with mike pence. tried to imagine someone like, burgum sitting across from kamala harris being memorable it's kinda i feel like he's a little bland good point because it wasn't just the fly that everyone it wasn't just the fly that made that debate she she performed well on the debate stage as she she props for this stuff. >> i do think i mean the first rule of vice presidential picks though is do no harm right? >> keep it calm. i mean, it's really not about any electoral anything. >> it's just don't screw anything up. but you also want, especially we know you mentioned the woman problem for trump, perhaps how about there's all this polling but suggests that black men our wavering in their support for president biden enter tim scott, i know we've been talking about this off. >> i've lined different ways, mean 70 hosts and was on the viewer or colleague from labor and cnn and she was speaking about senator tim scott as potentially someone well, what's ever say it? >> just to speak for african american

and when it comes to mike pence, that's not how the us secret service or vice president pence or his family. >> see you. >> pen said last year, quote, that trump's reckless words endangered by family and everyone at the capitol that day and i know history will hold donald trump accountable unquote. just this week and a very revealing interview with time magazine, mr. trump was asked about political violence after this november's election. the reporter quote, you cite that we're going to win and there won't be violence. what if you don't win, sir? trump responds, quote, i think we're going to win. and if we don't win, you know, it depends. it always depends on the fairness of an election. i don't believe they'll be able to do the things that they did last time coming up, what, republican lawmakers are saying and what they're not saying about trump's setting up a scenario to possibly not accept election results. >> once again somebody would, ask or something and she would just walk right past he didn't know they were talking to her i just could not here. i was hesitant to get the heari

look, mike pence in 2016 was necessary for a specific reason. you can bring a proxy of nikki haley, a marco rubio to the

>> kaitlan, i'm extremely skeptical that mike pence's life was ever in danger.itics and politics people like to really exaggerate things from time to time. i know a lot of folks -- >> i think mike pence would disagree with that, senator. >> the idea that donald trump endangered anyone's lives when he told them to protest peacefully, it's just absurd. and the entire legal basis of this prosecution of donald trump from jack smith -- >> but they were chanting that they wanted to hang him. [ light laughter ] >> look, kaitlan, did a few people say some bad things? sure. [ laughter ] but do we blame donald trump for every bad thing that has ever been said by a participant in american democracy? i think that's an absurd standard. >> seth: and kaitlan, i doubt mike pence was in real danger. first of all, he's excellent at camouflaging himself. if the mob had found him, he could have just tricked them by closing his eyes and pretend to be a statue. [ laughter ] also, no, you can't blame donald trump for every bad thing anyone says ever, but you can blame him for the bad

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he regrets mike pence, because mike pence was disloyal. >> let me ask you this, what kind of person wants to be donald trump's vice president after what happened to mike pence? mike pence spent four years standing behind donald trump and nodding in agreement with everything. he was loyal up until the very end when he said he was more loyal to the constitution than he was to donald trump. he left office to chants of hang him. donald trump didn't admonish anybody for it. what person wants to be donald trump's vice president this time around? what are they telling themselves about what they would be willing to do in that role at the end of donald trump's four years, if we get to that point? [ applause ] that's an open question. we will leave it. he is walking, i assume, in right now, because we hear cheering from not the reporters but from the trump organization employees who have been gathered here. we will listen in. >> this is a case where if they can do this to me, they can do this to anyone. these are bad people. these are in many cases i believe sick people. when you look at our countr

at that moment in time, i was with mike pence in indianapolis.e pence actually was going to go to an event in wisconsin with paul ryan as well and ended up cancelling that appearance. instead, he went to a private fund-raiser where people couldn't see him on video. i recall on october 9th as well, mike pence didn't go to the presidential debate. instead, he went on a bike ride in the evening hours just before donald trump's debate appearance in which he brought the clinton accusers forward. i was going through notes here. i would expect, if i may, an october 8 phone call that took place between hope hicks and michael cohen that has been scrutinized in the past in which donald trump was looped in on phone call by hope hicks to be asked by the prosecution. i'm particularly interested in her response to the questions about what was discussed on that october 8th phone call. she previously testified to congressional investigators that they did not talk about stormy daniels and the potential payoff of stormy daniels, but instead were in discussions abo

. >> is he a hispanic version of mike pence? >> that is interesting.ple said that they tried that with mike pence. that is different. he was a republican out of -- with the piety. marco rubio is a policy leader that strikes at the interest of nikki haley voters. peace through strength, reduce taxes, go down the list, he can speak to those. he also is a quiet star. mike pence was never a star, he was next up. i would say it does not bring the hispanic vote. we were texting about this. all politics is national now. what marco rubio does, he brings home a lot of republicans that have showed up for biden and democrats in 2018, 2020, and 2022. >> i think marco rubio is too much of a pushover. maybe that is what donald trump wants. i think that marco does not have panache or the style that would be attractive. i do not think he has a big enough or large enough voice to do it. crazier has happened before. david jolly, thanks for being here and your insights. very interesting. >>> coming up next, the pregnancy punishment. what louisiana's latest move to carbon

. >> reporter: very few breaking ranks, not even mike pence who's refused to endorse his former running mate calling the conviction a disservice to the nation. democrats disagree. >> the american principle that no one is above the law was reaffirmed. >> reporter: president biden, who's kept his distance from mr. trump's legal problems, speaking today from the white house. >> it's reckless, it's dangerous, it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict. the justice system should be respected, and we should never allow anyone to tear it down. >> one new york democrat dancing in celebration on tiktok after the verdict. others arguing the conviction shows the system worked. >> i've felt some relief and vindication per the rule of law. >> reporter: the verdict, unprecedented. its impact unclear in a race already unpredictable. >> do you think this conviction helps trump in the election? >> i have no idea. >> reporter: only about three in ten voters in key battlegrounds say they've been following mr. trump's legal issues closely. >> i don't even

and caitlin, i doubt mike pence was in real danger. first of all, he's excellent at camouflaging himself. if the mob had found him, he could have just tricked them by closing his eyes and pretending to be a statue. also, no, you can't blame donald trump for every bad thing anyone says ever. but you can't blame him for the bad things people say when he told them those were the right things to say. trump defended the mob at an interview, and according to the january 6th committee, he expressed support for the idea of hanging pence. another thing to blame him for not picking up his phone mid riot and tweeting hey, actually gang, don't hang mike pence. of course, knowing jd vance, he'd say that was one of the president's no phone wednesdays. he's slowly trying to wean himself off social media and its inherent toxicity. on wednesday, he takes a walk in the park and he reads a book. in fact, trump's toadies are so desperate to please him, they won't even say that they'll accept the results of the 2024 election if trump loses, no matter how m

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between these two but even mike pence is coming out and saying this verdict was a disservice to therican people. what's so interesting to me. what mike pence, and mitch mcconnell also not a fan of donald trump. >> right. >> and yet suggests that he believes his appeal would be successful. these are not hard core trump loyalists. these are people who are on the fringes, and yet look at where they stand. it says a lot. >> notable. hallie jackson, great to have you, thank you so much, and don't miss hallie coming up on hallie jackson now streaming live at 5:00 p.m. eastern on "nbc news now." >>> coming up, president biden calls for a permanent cease-fire in gaza, the proposal that he says israel has agreed to. >>> plus, voters in mexico will make history this weekend, we'll tell you how and what it means for america for america you're. w uhhh. katie! it's future you. constipation with belly pain again? our doctor figured it out. she said... it's ibs—c and linzess could help you get ahead of it. linzess is not a laxative. it's a once—daily pill that helps you get ahead of your symptoms.

there are those like stormy daniels and mike pence who have caught the ire of donald trump and haves to them, whether it be a real quick relationship in 2006 or 2007 or serving as vice president and throwing him off the cliff two weeks before because he didn't make sure that you would stay in office or michael cohen, right, suddenly when it came a point in time where the fbi came in and took his phones from his home, his hotel and suddenly realized he was no longer of use, suddenly michael cohen is no long ever of use and speaker mike johnson we will see how long his use is to donald trump. this is the world that he operates, the politics of donald trump extends even beyond the political frame. >> is it something that the judge will want to see, a piece of paper that trump edited the attacks on the witnesses? >> he could. i mean, i think that he may take his lead from the district attorney, whether the district attorney at this stage of the case is going to do something about it. so i don't think he will necessarily do it on his own. i don't think he particularly wants that look, bu

mike pence was perfect for him because mike pence walked behind them like a doodle folds medieval wife. >> and eventually actually did nothing to overshadow him whatsoever. >> doug burgum is the guy because doug burgum has an unlimited amount of money, he can put into a pack for trump if you wanted to, and fund the campaign that trump is having a hard time funding right now. and he's kinda loci guy. he's not somebody who's going to have a zone profile and jd vance not somebody who's gonna be the first of anything like a tim scott. he's gonna be, uh, mike pence with cash and that i think is something that is very appealing to donald trump. so it can be dramatic, it could be a whole apprentice types election process, but i think event of the day trump is going to revert back to what he needs, which is money somebody is going to do what he wants and not overshadow him. >> but may also ask you both about this new reporting from the wall street journal. john was talking about it earlier in the show that elon musk and donald trump had begins speaking several times a month since privately mee

, listen to this okay. >> let i'm extremely skeptical that mike pence's life was ever in danger.tics and politics, people like to really exaggerate things from time to time a lot of ground with party senator, a lot of folks that democratic party kaitlan act as if january the 6th was the scariest moment of their lives. i think look, january it's six was a bad day. it was a riot, but the idea that donald trump endangered anyone's lives when he told them to protest peacefully. it's just absurd i mean, many would argue. >> we look at that. i remember seeing the footage of members of the senate running for their lives being told to take off any of their pins are identifying insignia isn't any kind. so if they were attacked inside of the capital retired der otherwise, they'd be harmed. but this is sort of rewriting of it. this history. what is your reaction to this, robert, when you hear, when you hear this, the minimizing of what happened on january, there's even questioning whether there was even true fear for his own life of the vice president i what i've said since the moment had h

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just ask mike pence. tim miller joins me when we come back. k. >>> turns at the apprentice never quite ended for donald trump. according to recordings of a private luncheon obtained by axios, the former president has been commenting on his potential running mates. michael rubio he's the, quote, his name is coming up a lot for vice president. and doug burgum he said, did not know this. he was a supporter of my two campaigns. he's a very rich man. for byron donalds, he told, quote, i like diversity. diverse attendees you would say. i don't know who would say that. trump sounds more excited about the buildup then actually having to pick a running mate. joining his tim miller, he is host of the podcast in msnbc political analyst. we do not need to treat this on the level, but he has to pick a running mate. it's not the traditional ones where it's like secret meetings between advisers and candidates and things like that. talk about what these candidates are trying to prove to trump? they are taking different tactics, it seems. >> are taking differe

. >> i am extremely skeptical that mike pence was ever in danger.hink politics and politics people like to exaggerate. >> i think mike pence would disagree. >> a lot of folks act as if that was the scariest moment of their lives. look, january 6th was a bad day, it was a riot, but the idea that donald trump endangered anyone when he told them to protest peacefully is absurd. >> why are he and others continuously trying to rewrite the history of that day? >> because it does not serve their own interest and the interest of their political party, the republican party. listen, i understand how inconvenient it is for people like jd vance and other republican to admit that it was their leader, former president trump, who inspired and incited an insurrection on january 6, at united states capital in an attempt to subvert democracy and hold onto power. that being said, that's the reality. this is not a policy debate. this is a debate as to the reality of a day inspired by republican leader, carried out by his supporters, in an act of extreme violence, bruta

he doesn't trust nikki haley will satisfy the mike pence criteria. >> i don't think he likes her.e trusts her. but i think he likes all those votes she got, a lot more than doug, vivek ramaswamy, tim scott, and all the others. let's talk about a new topic here, because republicans are pushing a bill to bar noncitizens from voting, and here's the really important part. it's already illegal in federal elections. they are not allowed to vote. but robert, how dangerous is this narrative, right? they put this bill out there, it just opens the door to say, look, democrats are allowing noncitizens to vote. we got to put a stop to that. >> well, it's electioneering, it's not governing. this is a law on the books in every state in the country. and it's intended only to get those that are at a significantly charged level, significantly more charged, and that's sort of -- look, the outrage is the motivating factor for lots of donald trump's base, and every week and every month new things are going to have to be generated to sort of keep that outrage ballooned at a certain altitude. it is dan

he mix picked mike pence last time in 2016 because he had a problem with evangelical voters. i think the smart choice is to pick someone that helps him with where he's weak. mike: interesting. so elise stefanik was talking today about the new york criminal trial. let's play her. >> this is a political witch hunt against joe biden's opponent if who is donald trump, and it's because democrats cannot win at the ballot box. the fact that they have a gag order on president trump in the midst of a general election campaign shows how desperate the democrats are. mike: since trials are part of the reality of this cycle, how critical are strong defense of the former president? >> i think pretty critical. but i unfortunately for the trial, a lot of the discussion has already been had, these accusations have already been lobbed against president trump for years, so i don't know how much of an impact any of the accusations for this trial are going to make on his re-election campaign. however, i think these types of defenses, again, show trump who is on his side and who isn't which is the

all of these are a requirement and the consequence is next time around, you might not have mike pence, who gives the democracy away forever. >> this is a litmus test, right? making sure the issues he faced with mike pence in terms of not anointing a loser of the election, he is making sure it doesn't happen. they are doing this charade where they have to basically prove themselves as supplicants to trump. tim scott did it today and he refused to answer six separate times and it's a sad state of the republican party that they would not accept any results of elections where they do not win but that is what you have to do. tim scott knows he has to go out there and debase himself and it's a race to the bottom with everybody else. there is no deaths, in terms of what depth these people will go to, to prove themselves loyal to the guy. >> it may not move the needle and you know this better than i do but if you play enough for democrats, you'll hopefully get some democrat who may want to get this election out, who may not feel the risk is as serious as we all think and believe it to be. tha

this is something that while mike pence, and this is extraordinary that mike pence is not going to endorse served. somebody like mitt romney, he is not endorsing donald trump. many of trumps cabinet mentors will endorse donald trump but a lot of them have not gone as far as to say and because of that, you must vote for joe biden. that is what jeff duncan did and i really appreciated that because that is going to be really important. you hear a lot of this in the focus groups from people who are like i cannot do it with trump again. but does push them into leaving it blank and you got to get these folks to a place where they say if trump is a threat to democracy, i will vote for the one person standing in his way to being in the white house again. that is a credible thing. >> it is if this then why? if he is a threat to democracy which is the position they're there. was like a fat cat reeling in the praise from corners where he had been banished from after his tenure for donald trump. and then he came out and said i'm going to vote for him again. it renders everything he said to the january

, who peaked during his time as the university of connecticut quarterback was providing lece to mike penceto use his fence and vp powers to keep donald trump in office despite losing. he was a big advocate of the made-up theory that vice presidents can just do that because that is what trump wanted becky said that mike pence needed an absurd memo. and mind you, his legal training was a google search. when the trump coup failed, john mcatee came up with a new plan. he started dating app called "the right stuff" which was designed to help marriageable partners for the maga faithful, the kind of wives you can blame when you hoist a coup flag in front of your house. the right stuff invested big investors like peter teal who actually couldn't use the app himself because he is and the app does not allow same-sex marriages. as part of the provost, mcatee went on to give us to brag about how he sometimes gives homeless people counterfeit money in hopes that they will get arrested when they try to use it. his dating app is struggling, mainly because barely any women have signed up for some reason.

. >> i remember donald trump did not want mike pences to bring the pets.how you what was said about the rot that this reveals in the gop. >> this kristi noem thing, the most remarkable part of it is that the conservative movement has been so corrupted by donald trump. and it has reached such new lows that she actually put that and about the killing of a happy puppy because she thought it would help her with the base. >> someone smarter then me said this. the cruelty is the point. >> exactly. >> it is not just the cruelty but the brutality. she thinks that putting on a resume, i'm so tough that i will kill puppies, will impress donald trump. and we ought to know that donald trump has made it his fetish for brutality pretty obvious. he talks about not just killing puppies but killing people in traditional executions of drug dealers. shooting shoplifters. it has become one of his go to lyons. but why did she put that in the book? the only possible explanation is that this was part of her argument, that i will never be weak like mike pence. i'm willing to do t

he had mike pence, who was not loyal to him in his mind, that's why your question to tim scott about certifying the election results, despite him voting to certify, now is not committing. >> vaughn, it's such an important point because the word "loyalty," sara fagen, is one if not the top factor for donald trump as he makes that decision. what did you make of the exchange that he would not commit to certifying the election results, despite the fact he did so in 2020? >> well, i think a safe response would have been, assuming the election is fraud-free, i will support it. that would have given him a clear way to move past your question. the reality is this is a litmus test for donald trump. these candidates who hope to be vp don't get to set the rule book by which the person at the top of the ticket is deciding. you are going to see a bunch of them dance, right or wrong. >> we saw that on his abortion answer. he did not lean into his national 15-week ban. >> the interesting thing about tim scott's position on abortion is, he is where the country is. 70% of americans are for a 15-week

the last vice president that donald trump had, mike pence, left office under threats to hang him. threats that were, if not outwardly endorsed, then basically endorsed by donald trump himself. what kind of person wants the job of vp to president trump, and what sort of deal are they making or assurances are they making to themselves or potentially to the candidate about what they would be willing to do to not end up in the same position as mike pence. >> well, i think there are basically two groups here that i see. doug burgum, jd vance who have their own vision of themselves. they think you just eat the toes, four years of vice presidency, leave office, and well positioned to be the party's nominee and president itself. the problem is trump recognizes those people. what he is looking for is a human zero. he will put the noose around his own neck and hang himself first. anything that smacks of talent or character or independent judgment is going to be anathema to trump. >> you said that debating donald trump would be elevating him as a worthwhile or worthy candidate here, that he

but who looks at mike pence, not just mike pence but jeff sessions, all of these other people who hitchedheir wagon to trump and thought, that is my -- that's the path to the future. >> i was thinking rex tillerson, john kelly who served the administration have been cast aside. christine and michelle, don't move. up next, we have to talk about the gop's hands off our home appliances act. that is a real thing. we will tell you about that next. will tell you about tha next ed and restored using the power of dell ai. ♪ (bell ringing) someone needs to customize and save hundreds with liberty mutual! (inaudible sounds) (elevator doors opening) wait, there's an elevator? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪ known as a loving parent. known for lessons that matter. known for lessons that matter. known for being a free spirit. no one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be. keytruda is known to treat cancer, fda-approved for 16 types of cancer. one of those cancers is advanced nonsquamous, non-small cell lung cancer, where keytruda is approved to be

look, all these republicans have fallen in line, except mike pence. >> and chris christie. >> but mike his former vice president. and he, again, trump did a lot of terrible stuff to him, but he did actually say, i'm not going to vote for him. which i think is meaningful. by the way, a lot of people in trump's administration have also come out against trump. just not nikki haley. >> let me play what she said about kissing the ring. >> he's gotten more unstable and unhinged. he spends more time in courtrooms than he does on the campaign trail. many of the same politicians who now publicly embrace trump privately dread him. i feel no need to kiss the ring. >> those who embrace trump privately dread him, charles. there is a thing in atocracy that everybody has to kiss the ring. >> she's smart, articulate, also a person who lacks any integrity whatsoever, and that's always been the case. she's also been one of the most transactional politicians that we have in this country, and she continues to show us that that is who nikki haley is. i was really kind of blown away during the republican pr

so mike pence disagrees with you on this. he says this is totally an acceptable.h to remember when democrats impeached another president for supposedly withholding foreign aid that was approved by congress. stop the threats. america stands with israel. your thoughts on that. >> when i start concerning myself with what mike pence has to say i will stop running for congress. >> martha: he was talking at withholding of a not your impeachment. i want to be clear. so a lot of people make the reagan comparison. and in 1981 he delayed a shipment of us f-16 fighter jets tech fighter-bombers to israel in an effort to restrain with the secretary of state at the time call an escalated cycle of violence in the middle east. don't you think the president would say the reason i'm holding back on this is because i want to protect the people in the palestinian territory and cool things off? >> i think that's actually the opposite of what he's zameer because he's continuing to try and put aid into gaza flowing into the hands of hamas was selling that aid to the palestinian people i

the one most prominent republican who is not supporting donald trump this election vice president mike pence, his own vice president, who was much closer to trump, was just steps from the oval office much closer than the un ambassador was. because he cannot in good conscience that he's backing someone who tried to overturn are election in just fundamentally a threat to democracy. these other people know that, but mike pence knows the stakes are too high. >> that's and that's a fascinating point but the bottom line here is you act, don't think her voters necessarily go with her i don't think so because i would consistently see what some of these nikki haley voters that they would go further then her in focus groups when they were interviewed in their criticisms of trump, they were actually often encouraging her to kinda lean the directions you did at the end. >> so i think that many of them are going to be on the fence watching to see where biden goes. but where it gets interesting for biden, the dynamics of the israel-hamas it's war. if he starts to seem like he's caving too much to the left