joining us now two, of the three men in that boat, dustin kopacki and his dad, mike polis. a dory boat, basically, floating down the river, big water in alaska, frigid, too, we might add. you see this big old brown bear, that's basically alaska's version of the grizzly, right? >> that's correct. >> so she's climbing out of the water, what, you startled her? >> she just, her and her other cub got out of the water when they noticed us coming around the bend and left that other cub to swim around in the water. jon: okay. and the cub is caught in a whirlpool or something, couldn't get to shore? >> that's right. it was just kind of, the trying to swim towards shore, and as it was trying to do that, the current just kept pushing it back towards us, and we ended up getting in the whirlpool with it, and that's kind of how we got into the soft water. jon: so we can kind of hear it as, you know, i've watched the tape, you can kind of hear the confusion. you guys don't quite know what to do. you didn't want to bring the bear cub into the boat. why not, mike? >> well, our fear was if w