joining us now is mike quigley.kraine caucus. so the committee wrapped up the public part of its investigation, at least for now. what are the lessons learned? >> for me, watching, having been in the chambers where this happened, i was thinking of faulkner of all things. history is not was but is and asking if a government can survive, and i say that because we're coming up to an election because there's about 200 people on the ballot who deny that, you know -- still believe in the big lie about the election. >> are those lessons then not learned? >> apparently not on a large part of our country. again, they were fed this lie by the president of the united states and those that would back him up. the fact that he was 0 for 62 in the courts seems to be nothing. the fact that most of the evidence that we've seen so far coming out of this committee, it comes from republicans, former staffers, and people who had supported the president of the united states who just came to realize what the truth was and the truth has va

clarissa ward, thank you. >>> joining me to discuss a democratic congressman mike quigley of illinoismber of the intelligence committee and co-chair for the congressional ukraine caucus. congressman, thank you for joining us. how concerned are you about what -- it looks like a strategy on the part of the russian toss specifically target ukraine's power and infrastructure system. >> look, winter is coming and it's very predictable. when putin fails defeat in one area, he doubles down someplace else. in this case it's a rain of terror from the skies because he knows that individuals will suffer. we need to react accordingly. >> and what is that reaction? how can we help them? they want air defense. are we providing them with what they need at the pace they need? >> we are providing at this point as fast as possible. we have given them anti-drone systems, two nasam systems are on their way. we need to allow our allies to provide s-300s, crams. we need to provide a universal comprehensive what we think of as israel and an iron dome, but now we need to add new systems, add to what they hav

ukraine's fight is the reason we formed nato in the first place, said mouth breathing congressman mike quigleyillinois. i think we need to support this. oh, yes, we do. nancy pelosi said no problem. of course because he has no choice, zelensky, the puppet of the democratic party of the united states, read from the same script. on friday zelensky said he will accept nothing less than the removal of vladimir putin as the president of russia. watch. >> ukraine was and remains the leader of negotiation efforts. it is our country that always proposed to russia to agree on coexistence on equal, honest, dignified and fair conditions. clearly with this russian president it is impossible. he does not know what dignity and honesty are. therefore we are ready for a dialog with russia, but with another president of russia. >> tucker: so that's the demand, putin must be removed from office. putin, of course, has no intention of leaving. you'd have to take him out. you don't have to like vladimir putin. you don't have to like anything about vladimir putin. you can hate vladimir putin, and most americans do,

. >>> mike quigley is the cochair of the congressional ukraine caucus.oking at what's happening on the ground there, despite the efforts, signing this into law, of course the majority of the law does not recognize this illegal annexation, but he says any attack on these areas will be considered an attack on russia. how do you expect putin to respond? >> well, i think you have to ask yourself what happened when there were attacks on crimea. there were a bit of hopes that obviously he thinking crimea is russian territory, when the ukrainians attacked that, that wasn't the tripwire. if you had told me during the first stage of the war that we would be here now, the ukrainian army would be advancing like this and the russians withdrawing, i would have been thrilled of the of. this was a war we were certain would last days, not weeks, but i am very concerned with the other issues at the same time. this isn't the end or the beginning of the end, but perhaps, as churchill would have said, the end of the beginning. >> how long do you expect it to last then? >> l

i spoke to representative mike quigley, member of the house intelligence committee. he said putin is capable of anything. you have to take him seriously. another source said to me part of the calculation here is that defeat is not an option for vladimir putin. that's the scenario they have to prepare for. >> jim, do you believe we're seeing an escalation right now that is one step short of a nuclear escalation, we have a mobilization under way, the attack on the nord stream pipeline that looks like it could have russia behind it, ukraine warning about a potential cyberattack. are we in a new phase? >> he's definitely escalating, attempting to mobilize 300,000 in forces. their quality is in question, whether they're battle ready. the concern here is he escalates more to a degree with which in the early phases of this war was considered a distant outlier, the yietidea of a nuclear strik. it's serious enough that they have to make preparations. it's a category of escalation. this is a different category of escalation that they're making contingency plans for. >> it's im

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months later, got invited to the ymca in my district, thinking they're going to talk to me about mike quigleyl about gymnasiums that are losing money. that is not what they wanted to talk to me about. i got in there and they said, you know what? all the conflict we see on cable news, all the conflict that you all see in washington, d.c. has shown up in our ymca. we are living having heavy arguments, even fights break it over pick your red or blue issue. this becomes of bad we can't ignore it anymore, we've actually hired a consultant and they are training our, staff training our board and conflict resolution. we were to start hosting events to get people to talk across their, differences actually have dialogue about tough conversations. just out of curiosity, is there any support for something like that? i said, not really. then, because we chaired this committee, the national academy of arts and sciences just did a report at the end of last year called our common purpose. but refreshing american democracy. chapter four of it is focused on what they call civic bridge building. the point said