i think mike reid, by the way. hi, mike. very lovely to see you. hello. stanley green. leadership qualities, i think you've still got to say where is that leadership taking you? so for me, i'd have the proviso that nigel farage is going to be utilised and constrained and not going to carry the show. michael, a couple of seconds if you can. >> is there any chance that rishi sunak will pick up the phone to nigel farage in the hours ahead? phone to nigel farage in the h0li; ahead? phone to nigel farage in the h0li don't|d? phone to nigel farage in the h0li don't think so at all. it >> i don't think so at all. it would be an incredible gamble. it probably the it would probably lose the party, the conservative party votes, them. and the votes, not gain them. and the idea nigel negotiating idea of nigel farage negotiating with the europeans to sort out the crisis is not a the boats crisis is not a fantasy. i'm afraid. well, i don't know. >> stranger things have happened. >> but talking about his passion, mike reid , a quick word. >> david mentioned it, word. >> david mentione

i think mike reid, by the way. hi, mike. very lovely to see you. hello. stanley green.eadership qualities, i think you've still got to say where is that leadership taking you? so for me, i'd have the proviso that nigel farage is going to be utilised and constrained and not going to carry the show. michael, a couple of seconds if you can. >> is there any chance that rishi sunak will pick up the phone to nigel farage in the hours ahead? phone to nigel farage in the h0li; ahead? phone to nigel farage in the h0li don't|d? phone to nigel farage in the h0li don't think so at all. it >> i don't think so at all. it would be an incredible gamble. it probably the it would probably lose the party, the conservative party votes, them. and the votes, not gain them. and the idea nigel negotiating idea of nigel farage negotiating with the europeans to sort out the crisis is not a the boats crisis is not a fantasy. i'm afraid. well, i don't know. >> stranger things have happened. >> but talking about his passion, mike reid , a quick word. >> david mentioned it, word. >> david mentioned

mike reid um , keys to starmer?ere's always room more opinions. always room for more opinions. the system flip flops. the two party system flip flops. one gets in, blames the other. well, we're spending years on doing what they did. you know, you the same old stories doing what they did. you know, you time. same old stories doing what they did. you know, you time. lame old stories doing what they did. you know, you time. i thinkyld stories doing what they did. you know, you time. i think it's;tories doing what they did. you know, you time. i think it's healthy every time. i think it's healthy to more than two parties. to have more than two parties. two parties, really unhealthy situation , i think. if it's situation, i think. so if it's never bad. i mean, if you look at ukip and the european elections, they came first and no one was expecting that. so you never know quite how people are thinking, whether they are fed up with the two party system, whether they want something fresh, something something fresh, want som

well, actually, when i was in it, the guy, mike reid, you know, the he was a radio presenter. >> he wasthere. and he was like the first to get voted off. and we were all like, how can he be the first voted off? he's really entertaining. so a lot of it is editing, i think, and i do think a lot of the editing can be swayed you choose or who swayed by who you choose or who they want to sway to win . um, they want to sway to win. um, and i've met nigel a few times. he's interviewed me. i like nigel. um, you know, the politics side i stay out of as a person an i've got no problem with him and i like him and what people have got to remember, when you are in that jungle, it shouldn't matter what you do for a living. you're all in there together, surviving all stripped back and think it's a way to actually get to know a person. yeah, you can be judged by what you do, this and that. but he's still a human being at the end of the day. and you're all in this unique situation, so everyone deserves a chance. >> that you can, but if >> and not that you can, but if you could give him some advice in to

well, actually, when i was in it, the guy, mike reid, you know, the he was a radio presenter. >> he wasthere. and he was like the first to get voted off. and we were all like, how can he be the first voted off? he's really entertaining. so a lot of it is editing, i think, and i do think a lot of the editing can be swayed you choose or who swayed by who you choose or who they want to sway to win . um, they want to sway to win. um, and i've met nigel a few times. he's interviewed me. i like nigel. um, you know, the politics side i stay out of as a person an i've got no problem with him and i like him and what people have got to remember, when you are in that jungle, it shouldn't matter what you do for a living. you're all in there together, surviving all stripped back and think it's a way to actually get to know a person. yeah, you can be judged by what you do, this and that. but he's still a human being at the end of the day. and you're all in this unique situation, so everyone deserves a chance. >> that you can, but if >> and not that you can, but if you could give him some advice in to

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mike pence's presidential campaign floundering the way it has, i have this memory from a couple of summers ago when donald trump went to the faith and freedom coalition gathering in nashville. ralph reid'se and let him have it, in front of a couple hundred evangelicals who were mike pence's people. the crowd went crazy, booing pence, jeering him, clapping for trump. i was at a rally once where he described himself as a rush limbaugh on decaf, talking about his days in radio. one of the activists said, decaf? we don't need decaf. this country is about to collapse. they are coming for the church. we don't need decaf. we need the real thing. we need all the caffeine we can get. i think, in some sense, as i said, legacy with the church and with the evangelical vote is that he has conditioned them to expect a pugilism, an antagonism, a hostility, and of course it's completely abiblical and antithetical to the teachings of christ, yet you have this new standard set, mike pence, ron desantis simply can't pass muster. >> tim, i'm curious because with this issue that your editor is putting together, it's really talking about what trump's second term would look like and the dangers of it. one of