there are con consequences in every choice we make in life. >> reporter: the church points out that mike rinderformer religion for years, sometimes for money. that is in part why, according to the church, rinder's family has disconnected from him. >> my son is in that building. this is called the superpower building. >> reporter: we paid a visit with rinder to flag base, the church's spiritual headquarters in florida. >> when's the last time you saw him? >> 2003, maybe. this is why i do what i do. >> reporter: this visit was considerably less eventful than this one back in 2010, when rinder went looking for his son benjamin with marty rathbun in tow. >> you just need to leave right now. you are not welcome here. sir, you're bumping up against me. >> watch it, watch it! watch it buddy. >> step out there. show me the line. >> reporter: the church has strenuously exerted itself to discredit rinder. >> he knows that what he's saying is false. >> reporter: it provided us with these interviews with hiss trapged children. >> he's just trying to create a fabricated story or something? and i said, i wan