in february, mike rogers, chair of the house intelligence committee, accused glenn greenwald of selling stolen goods are reporting stories on the nsa documents. greenwald and poitras were accompanied by an aclu attorney,

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representative mike rogers is chairman of the committee. he's joining us now.have these exercises in poland, lithuania, al nato allies? >> it's a great idea. you need to reassure our allies we will be there, we're not walking away from argour nato commitments. do i think we could do larger nato exercises in a place like poland, i do. this is a very good start and a very good sign to let putin know that we won't tolerate, the united states won't tolerate any inclusion into nato states. i also think and hope we can get to a better position, a u.s. position, in ukraine. >> putin knows that an attack on a nato ally, whether poland or these baltic states, that's an attack on all nato allies, given article five of nato, he's not going to be that reckless. >> again, we're not dealing with somebody who has the same rationale thought process we may have thought even two years ago. he's made decisions based on what he thinks the position of both nato and the u.s. are. and currently, he is not certain that that will evoke a nato response. we're having a hard time getting

mike rogers and dave camp cover senate for michigan levin is at senator retiring but the senate still is not viewed as one of the top places to be. it is not much that happens there. you see several people retiring one term. the senator from nebraska. the other day if it is so much more fun being a as much as not happening. gwen: things end at your desk. is trueonder whether it that we will be focusing on the talking about camp and rogers but democrats are fleeing as well. >> john dingell. gwen: the question is whether in 2014 anyone is worried about the majority. a certain crats of age who have been there quite a while are retiring knowing that will not be around long enough for democrats to reclaim the house majority. all of this lk in midterm election fuss of the house having any credible chance going back into democratic hands. leaving.hy so many are >> is there any open seats from any of the retirements or does change the midterm picture? >> it is not changing the middle term picture. are key open races. open arken from iowa, his seat is interesting. gwen: i have a soft spot for

first of all, mike allen, who used to work for mr. rogers, is screen right. the lead investigator on the benghazi stuff for a while. mike morell used to be the deputy director of the c.i.a. he's in the middle. he gave testimony last week that was favorable to, among other people, hillary clinton, who by the way, screen left, is pretty much the gate keeper for her. they all work together now in a place called beacon global strategies. isn't that cozy? >> and it comes into question why the talking points were what they were, were they changed and why weren't they accurate, right? so the questions are there. brian, the answers, you seem to try to get some today from mike rogers. >> steve had a source and we've also read a lot of speculation and said how candid could mike morell be, being that he did play a role in changing the talking points and it did work out better for the state department headed by hillary clinton, could he have an agenda? the fact that he got a job with hillary clinton's main operator, is there a nexus there? so i asked rogers how he feels

mike rogers led the grilling. and mike morel in the benghazi talking points.s people participated in the benghazi attacks and affiliated with al-qaeda and still on the battle fold. we have a capacity to get them. and we have threats that we take off of the battle fold and because of this administration's kinder and gentler approach we have not done that. it is aid in the concept of a global war on terror. he doesn't think that we were attack of war by the terrorist and thinks that the way to handle it is through the law enforcement paradigm and no victory to be achieved. i think that explains how the administration handled terror since it took office and how they handled benghazi. >> the reason why rogers is speaking this way. he thinks that al-qaeda learns from our own response and he cited in the article magazine. in the cole attack nothing was done. and that empowered al-qaeda to carry out 9/11 in new york. what do you think of that? >> it was not only the cole. but the attacks on the embassies in kenya. and the truck bomb on the world war ii in the early 1

mike rogers talks about his plan. and billy packer on the final four. we begin the program with house committee chairman paul ryan. thank you for being here. you put out your budget this week with a divided congress and the president is a democrat. we know it will not be enacted. is it a blueprint for republicans? >> that is a good way of putting it. this is the fourth time we have passed a budget like this. we said, this is how we plan to pay off the debt. we should say what we believe in. technically, we do not have to do a budget this year. the agreement that we reached -- if we think that that is what we should be doing. we owe the country an alternative. >> let me ask you about the particulars that have been criticized for programs and wanted to expand opportunities. how does cutting -- >> this is about growth. the president does the same thing. we keep pell grants funded. they turned it into an entitlement. we think that it needs to stay under discretionary spending so that congress continues to do oversight. here is the big concern we have. we ar

what do you think the real story is there. >> i think the real story is what mike rogers is saying itrised everybody. all of his colleagues in the house and senate, democrat and republican, everybody is stunned by this. he had a huge future. >> he didn't run for senate because he loved his job. >> he also indicated he wants to be in talk radio, he wants to effect the debate in 2016. it's not as all surprising that some members of house see themselves in potential presidential candidates. >> is this over for you? >> this one? benghazi? >> this topic? >> look, i really am upset about what happened. there were lies. it was all done as a way to advance their political campaign. it's a disgrace, but the fact is as just a political issue, will the country rally to net sets of hearings? i think not. at the same time our country is in deep trouble abroad and nobody is talking at all about that and we've got to start talking about it, whether it's a successful campaign issue or not, i don't know, but it's important for the country. >> next up, is the president's emphasis on equal pay for women

>> the chairman of the house mike rogers will talk about, are russian forces actually in eastern ukraine? we'll have a detailed discussion about that. richard myers will be joining us in our 6:00 p.m. hour. we have a lot to talk about, ukraine, overland park, kansas, we're going into a lot of good stuff. >> who are you going to have on when it comes to kansas? >> george howell, our reporter was there when he was normally charged with the counts, the suspect, this white supremacist was formally charged with killing three people. he was an anti-semite and the three that he killed were christians. >> horrible. >>> coming up next, while eight out of ten american also see a refund in 2014, the government collects taxes on stuff you would not expect. >>> plus, it's a virus that kills 90% of those who catch it and now doctors think it could go global. our sanjay gupta joins us live from the epicenter of the epidemic. the was a truly amazing day. without angie's list, i don't know if we could have found all the services we needed for our riley. for over 18 years we've helped people take care of

mike rogers voiced concerns on angela mitchell reports. >> i think this is a serious mistake.lls me that the administration is within here releasing a convicted spy who spied against the united states of america is nothing to do with the palestinian issue. when you merge them, you've got real trouble. >> charles keeting the emphasis banker in the loan failure of the 1980s has died at the age of 90. the senator john mccain and four other senators were accused of intervening with federal regulators. mccain has said his involvement was quote, the worst mistake of my life. >>> pacific gas and emergency is convicted with the gas line explosions. they were charged with relying on safety of a pipeline that exploded. 38 homes were levelled, eight people killed. >>> sole winner of the $425 million powerball jackpot from february has came forward. raymend buxton hid his face behind the check. he wore a jeti t-shirt. >>> just a head to derrick jeter pains waking him up. >>> the final four includes two perfect teams. sports is next. cause me discomfort. exactly, because it's milk without

mike rogers talks about his plan. and billy packer on the final four.n the program with house committee chairman paul ryan. thank you for being here. you put out your budget this week with a divided congress and the president is a democrat. we know it will not be enacted. is it a blueprint for republicans?

we talk with the two top members of the house intelligence committee, republican mike rogers and democrat decks ruppersberger. >>> and questions out of ft. hood. >> the possibility does exist that we may never know exactly why the alleged shooter did what he did. >> guns, mental illness and a country's promise to its soldiers. a discussion with iraq war veteran with two congressmen. this is "state of the union." >>> good morning. i'm candy crowley in washington. a chinese ship has reported detected two pulse signals that match the frequency emitted by the pingers on black boxes in the southern indian ocean. that that matched the frequency of the 370s. a british naval vessel is encounty to the area. additionally, 3 had 00 nautical miles away an australian ship detected what's described as an acoustic noise. a malaysian official tells cnn the plane may have deliberately been flown around indonesian airspace to avoid radar detection. cnn's joe johns is in kuala lump lumpur. first, this idea that the plane was deliberately flown to evade indonesian radar, where does that get us? what's the po

mike rogers voiced his concerns on andrea mitchell reports. >> i think this is a serious mistake. tells me that the administration is at wits' end here. releasing a convicted spy who spied against the united states of america is nothing to do with the palestinian issue. when you merge them, you've got real trouble. >>> charles kitty the infamous banker in the '80s died at the age of 80. the keating five included mccain others was accused of intervening with federal regulators. mccain said his involvement with him was, quote, the worst mistake of my life. >>> they have been charged with 12 federal felony counts regarding safety violations in connection with with the 2010 natural gas explosion in. pgne relied on erroneous information regarding the safety of a pipeline that exploded leveling 38 homes and killing eight people. >>> the council on beards. hitting paul ryan hard. is it legal to shoot at drones? scrambled president clint "scrambled politics is next." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ no two people have the same financial goals. pnc works with you to understand yours and help plan for your retire

ambassador, with mike rogers. he's the chairman of the house intelligence committee. 5 of the nato allies, the treaty basically which says you attack one nato ally, whether it's poland or estonia or latvia, romania, any of those countries you mentioned, you're in effect attacking all of the nato allies including the united states. to me it's like incomprehensible that russia, under putin, would do something like that, knowing what the response would be. but listen to what mike rogers told me. >> we're not dealing with somebody who has the same rational thought process that we may have thought even two years ago. i think all the indicators led putin to believe he could be more bold, he can be more aggressive. there's just not a lot that nato and the u.s. can do. again, you want to push this, you don't want to push it too far. i think this is a good step by the administration to show that we will back our nato countries. >> i know those nato allies like poland and the other countries, they're nervous, but do you really believe, mr. ambassador, that putin would order rus

mike rogers talks about his plan. and billy packer on the final four.the program with house committee chairman paul ryan. thank you for being here. you put out your budget this week with a divided congress and the president is a democrat. we know it will not be enacted. is it a blueprint for republicans?

mike rogers talks about his plan. and billy packer on the final four. we begin the program with house that you chairman paul ryan. thank you for being here. you put out your budget this week with a divided congress and the president is a democrat. we know it will not be enacted. is it a blueprint for republicans? >> that is a good way of putting it. this is the fourth time we have passed a budget like this. we said, this is how we planned on hang off the debt. we should say what we believe in. technically, we do not have to do a budget this year. the agreement that we reached -- if we think that that is what we should be doing. we owe the country and alternative. about theask you particulars that have been criticized for top you cut problems -- programs and wanted to expand opportunities. how does cutting -- >> this is about growth. the president does the same thing. we keep held grants funded. they turned it into an entitlement. we think that it needs to stay under discretionary spending so that congress continues to do oversight. here's is the big con

i sat down with mike rogers, chairman of the house intelligence committee to talk about the benefitsion sharing. >> remember, the government is not on private sector networks. so they miss a lot of what the chinese are doing, the russians are doing, when they are trying to steal information, what the iranians are doing, robust sharing of only those threats can go a long way to help the private sector to protect itself. >> how receptive are companies to share information and get onto your software and take the steps needed to share it? >> what we are seeing in the market is after events like target most recently, the big cyber security compromise, organizations are starting to have that psychological shift where if they don't start sharing cyber threats with their peers, they are never going to get ahead of the cyber criminals. so we see more openness to sharing that started in the financial services sector and it's going to all organizations. mike skinner me an example of an -- >> one of the most recent attacks you may have heard about is the heartbleed attack on the encryption that

the head of the house committee, mike rogers, said that what we are doing was criminality and thievery. steve alexander pounded that theory that we were selling documents which was what a lot of people have been saying -- which what a lot of people have been doing for decades. people are creating these theories that could criminalize the journalism that we are doing. i think it would be wrong to allow that kind of intimidation to prevent us from doing what we have the right to do, including returning to a country. -- returning to a country of which we are a citizen. i do still think there is a rift. there a lot of divisions in the u.s. government about what should be done. my belief is still that they would do the right thing. >> are you going to come back? >> definitely. it is inevitable. we are still figure out exactly when that will be. we were honored. there was a ceremony. that will be an interesting opportunity to go back to. there are other opportunities like that but we are still figuring out. at some point relatively soon, i intend to test the proposition. >> laura, you have b

mike rogers talks about his plan. and billy packer on the final four.begin the program with house that you chairman paul ryan. thank you for being here. you put out your budget this week with a divided congress and the president is a democrat. we know it will not be enacted.

now for the top top story sent to, man run the hearing tomorrow congressman mike rogers he joins us now from washington. we need some straight talk. have you seen the cia memo. >> i have seen memo and four other classified documents leading up to the the event. >> let's stay on the memo. this memo was issued by the libya station chief for the cia. does it indeed as "the washington times" is reporting say that the attack on the ambassador was not the result of protests? does it say that? >> i can't go into the pacifics because it's still a classified document. i can tell you that what was in that document prompted us, on the committee and our investigators to reinterview that particular individual about the details of what happened that day and what prompted any documentation including that memo back to the cia. and that's an important thing. >> you interviewed the cia station chief whose identity for his own protection. but it looks like the deputy cia director morell who you will question tomorrow is at odds at what his own station chief was saying. is that true? >> obviously there is

. >> you heard mike rogers, chairman of the house intelligence committee, tell me yesterday that a leakear or so ago may have undermined u.s. intelligence capabilities as far as al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, operations in yemen now. >> i think it's true, wolf. i've heard the same from senior u.s. officials. there was a story, you may recall, about a spy who was inside al qaeda, he was controlleded by intelligence, it came out and that meant that the u.s. lost, you know, eyes and ears inside al qaeda. and i think the intelligence community is on the back foot as a result. >> this master bombmaker, al asiri, you pent time studying him, we don't believe he was there in yemen. he's someplace else. some people have their faces blurred, some people wearing masks. do you believe he was there? >> i don't know. i've talked to a senior u.s. official thinks he's on the saudi-yemeni border. he is using couriers, he is completely gone to ground. >> this was high definition, resolution, beautiful video, that was posted on youtube by al qaeda with faces shown. why would they do this simply to try

michael allan, a former staff director for the house intelligence committee worked for mike rogers. morrell now works at beacon. his new boss is allen, and allen's old boss is rogers. >> discussions with beacon global strategies about going to work for them began in november. some four months after i left the job. >> committee democrats complained the hearing was driven by politics. >> never' ending benghazi hearings have become a very costly distraction. and in my opinion, too partisan. >> the focus is to find the bad guys who killed americans. >> others said benghazi matters and the failure to send military help was driving intelligence officers away. >> they told me they're leaving cia because they don't want to be left to die again. >> one of the more extraordinary moments came when morrell was ask asked who was to blame for the protest. he said the cia was to blame for the flawed explanation, but the video was rice's call. >> surprising. catherine, thank you. >> the supreme court has struck down federal limits on overall campaign contributions by individuals. a decision that fr

house intelligence committee chairman mike rogers is from michigan. joining me on this story and major breaking news on the intelligence front, first, let's talk about gm. we know how important it is to michigan and the country. what about the way gm has handled this situation so far? >> well, the committee and its investigators have poured over some 250,000 documents, some from general motors, some 6,000 documents from the national highway safety administration. and so the story is starting to come together. it's very concerning. it seems that there is problems on both sides of the equation. both from the regulatory side and general motors side that just didn't seem to step up to the plate when they needed to most of all. clearly it was a company in distress at the time. we hope that wasn't one of the decisions that they came to. we have to go through this course of the investigation, make sure we get all of the facts on the table and it's clear that someone is going to have to be held accountable for the actions. >> both general motors and the regul

>> i was talking with the house intelligence committee chairman, mike rogers last week, about this veryng. and part of what he said to me was: this means the threat stream to the u.s. is now more dangerous, more troubling, and more of a problem than the threat stream was before 9-11. >> really? >> reporter: ? >> so it means the u.s. is facing at different threat, part because of the evolution of these terrorist organizations, also in part because of the new blood in the organizations and, one really important factor, you now have organizations that don't believe they need al-qaeda's blessing to do anything and they can do it on their own with their own ideas. so the u.s. is facing a significant challenge according to rogers. you and i spoke with a counter terrorism official today as well who said: what we are facing right now is a renewed situation where the u.s. has to keep a close eye on aqap and everything and every part of that the organization >> jj, i appreciate it, al jazeera's contributor joining us from washington, d.c. jj, thank you. >>> more than 130 million americans voted d

. >> the chairman of the intelligence committee in the house, mike rogers,etiring.s that going to affect anything if it does? >> he's a former fbi case officer, what you can expect is pretty aggressive questioning tomorrow. based on my reporting, morrell has to deconflict his previous statements to the satisfaction of the members. he's also got to answer whether he really downplayed the reporting of the cia station chief, and that, if people say is not to their satisfaction, he could face perjury charges in this case. >> we'll be following it. thank you. >>> still ahead, for one state obamacare exchange, it's back to the drawing board. first, while trial lawyers seem to have very little objection to democratic party politics. ♪ geico motorcycle. see how much you could save. your hepatitis c.forget it's slow moving, you tell yourself. i have time. after all there may be no symptoms for years. no wonder you try to push it to the back of your mind and forget it. but here's something you shouldn't forget. hepatitis c is a serious disease. if left untreated, it could lea

cnn will have house intelligence committee chairman mike rogers in the 1:00 p.m. eastern hour to talk about this and the implications. >>> nasa astronauts making repairs outside of the international space station to replace a dead computer. they should have it repaired sometime by next hour. >>> i don't want to alarm you. an asteroid so powerful it could destroy another city may come sooner than we think. new data from a private space foundation found strike rate for large space rocks could be as high as once every 100 years. it was previously estimated once every 3,000 years. a bit of a discrepancy there. scientists base report on sensors that detected blasts over the last 14 years. remember, this was a meteor explosion over a russian town last year. it injured more than 1,000 people, blew out windows many miles away. nasa described that just for some perspective as a tiny asteroid. >> where is bruce willis when you need him? >> you need hulk in there. >> it's armageddon. any movie about destroying an asteroid than armageddon? >> the water is slicked with oil. no

in february, mike rogers, chair of the house intelligence committee, accused glenn greenwald of selling stolen goods are reporting stories on the nsa documents. greenwald and poitras were accompanied by an aclu attorney, greenwald'ster, and partner david miranda. last year he was to tame for nine hours that lenin to throw airport under an anti-terrorism law. at the george polk awards ceremony friday, poitras and greenwald were joined by their colleagues you and mccaskill of "the guardian" and barton gelman of "the washington post," who share the award with them. this is laura poitras followed by glenn greenwald in their acceptance speeches. >> i am incredibly honored to be here and thankful to the polk committee for giving me a really good excuse to come home. this is the first time i have been home since i boarded the plane with glenn and ewen to hong kong. it is also quite disorienting. the field of what would look at was a lot of uncertainty, risk and a concern for everyone. it is extraordinary to be here and receive this award, but i think it is also important that we remember when

doc hastings calling it quits after ten, and mike rogers, announced last week that he is retiring aftereven terms. powerful democrats who see the possibilities for chairmanships slipping away are heading for the exits. in case you didn't recognize him, this is california's george miller, talking with then new york congressman chuck schumer back in '87. miller's been a fixture here in washington for decades, but he's leaving d.c., and his post on the education and workforce committee after 20 terms. california congressman henry waxman, ranking member on energy and commerce retiring after 20 terms. you count the 13 members leaving the house to run for the senate, and four who are running for other offices, it means that more than six centuries of legislative experience will be gone next year. that's on top of the six members who have already resigned and won florida's bill young who passed away last year. two other congressmen, markey and scott, left the house to serve in the senate. the point is, all these legislative chairmanships want to bail. in the senate, the story is the same. the

the week is the state of michigan because it's losing two extraordinarily talented congressman mike rogersave camp who are retiring. winner of the week i concur can krauthammer justice got it right saying laws restricting the content political timing of speech regulating money in politics which is almost entirely used to disseminate political speech violate the first amendment which says congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech. >> all right. give me the 15-second elevator speech on a nice little place on the north side. wrigley field at 100. >> well, wrigley field at 100 is 100 years of cubs futility. it's been 105 years since they won the world series there is a joke in baseball. what do the florida marlins and the cubs have in common? both have never won a world series in their new ball parks. >> so it's worth a read. and as baseball season starts and i'm sorry for the loss. >> yes. well, it does happen. we have another 160 -- we will be just fine. >> washington nationals. that's it for tonight. thanks for inviting us into your home. that's it for this "special report," fa

>> mike rogers, the house intelligence committee chairman said that he believes that no one in the intelligence community doubts that edward snowden is now under the influence of russian intelligence. the only question is when he became effectively an agent of russian intelligence. do you agree with him? what was your assessment? when do you think he did -- >> i think that is very hard to say. i would not want to speculate on that, i am not sure it is helpful. but what is clear is to look at his motivations, to say that, as i mentioned earlier, you don't want to live in a world of surveillance where what you say and what you do is scrutinized. the first place you go is china? and when you regard the chinese embrace as insufficient to your taste, you had to moscow to be close to the fsb. it innovated georgia in terms of his foreign policy. this is a place where people who criticize the president disappear, have accidents in elevators, where the enemies of ofin have terrible chances having premature accidents. wheree seen circumstances agents are murdered by the s -- fsp, and this is where snowde

eastern with nancy pelosi, mike rogers, and that committee's ranking democrat. another appearance by the republican congressman. the talk shows are on c-span radio and brought to you as a public service by the rebroadcast again at noon eastern, meet the press at 1:00 2:00 p.m., fox news sunday. cnn state of the unit 4:00 eastern, face the nation from cvs. into them all on c-span radio. across the country channel 120 download our free at-- app. >> it gets to me because i get to know these young men and women when i get out there. i want out of there as fast as anybody else and let the afghan death afghans fight their own fight. we can't get too hung up on the defense of the afghan politics. we have to keep a larger perspective that those who died did not die in vain and i said to anybody in 2001 that 10 years later, there would have been another attack on the nice eight, most of you would say you are wrong. it is because we didn't -- we did take towards al qaeda. if you stand back from the particulars, we are safer today than in 2001 and well on our way for crush

feinstein, mike rogers, dutch ruppersberger, but you didn't tell me. we are kind of at that cusp in our political culture. i was director of the cia and i had a wonderful team of outside civilians. one guy got permission to use gave her a tough job. another subcommittee was doing i.t. and another doing recruiting. tough job.y a study this problem and come out and tell me, will america be able to conduct espionage in the future inside a broader political culture that everyday demands for transparency and more public accountability from every aspect of national life? the study of for about four months and came back and gave me a firm, hardly speaking "we are not sure." which is a very telling answer. so here we are. with the national enterprise that i'm just going to assume we all believe is legitimate and necessary, american espionage, and a broader political culture that demands more transparency of an enterprise content demand secrecy for its very nature and its very success. that is white is why did now so difficult for all of us. , generaling up, ba

mike rogers, congressman pro michigan, outgoing congress from his announcement about a week ago.o live. >> explain to the public how this controversy developed. i understand you will do some of that in your opening statement as well. i want to first acknowledge the courageous american heroes on the ground in benghazi, both who lost their lives, ambassador chris stevens, information sister, sean smith and security officers, greg doherty and tyrone woods. and those who risked their lives to save their colleagues. each of these brave americans served on the frond lines defending american interests so the rest of us could sleep safely at night. we lost some of the best among us on that terrible night. many of the brave officers who came to the rescue testified in closed session before the committee. these men took extraordinary measures to save their fellow americans, without their courage, their skill, terrorists would have killed other americans in benghazi that night for sure. most of these silent warriors prefer to stay unnamed and many still defend america in some of the most da

you do hear from some republican lawmakers, for instance, mike rogers you were speaking to a couple daysut things like better intelligence sharing. there's been some progress. he wants more. even the possibility of training troops. weapons not on the table at this point. >> jim, thanks very much. nicholas kristof, thanks to you. deputy foreign minister, danylo lubkivsky. thanks for coming in. we're very worried about what's going on in ukraine. good luck to you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >>> just ahead, more raids and new arrests. the investigation into the ferry disaster now widening. we're going live to south korea. >>> plus, jeb bush speaking out about a possible run for the white house. will 2016 see the battle of the bush and the clinton dynasties? to truck guys, the truck is everything. and when you put them in charge of making an unbeatable truck... ... good things happen. this is the ram 1500. the 2014 motor trend truck of the year and first ever back-to-back champion. guts. glory. ram. a short word that's a tall order. up your game. up the ante. and if you stumble, y

mo mike rogers answering pelosi, urging restraint, saying lawmakers shouldn't turn this into a politicalquestion about what happens next, according to a white house official, quote, the cia in consultation with other agencies will conduct a dechasification review. the president has been clear he wants this process completed as expeditiously as possible consistent with national security and that's what we will do. now, there are questions about how much of this report will be redacted and concerns that if a fair amount of it is redacted that some key components will be missing. democrats pointing to the fact that these programs started before president obama and that he ended them once he got into office. >> i also want to ask you quickly about the white house, the announcement the president will take executive action on education and fair pay. there's an editoria that argues the president should take similar action on immigration. can we expect anything new on m immigration reform? >> they have been hammering the white house to say isn't there more you can do unilaterally to get -- the a

>> mike rogers, the house intelligence committee chairman said that he believes that no one in the intelligence community doubts that edward snowden is now under the influence of russian intelligence. the only question is when he became effectively an agent of russian intelligence. do you agree with him? what was your assessment? >> i think that that is very hard to say. i would not want to speculate on that, i am not sure it is helpful. but what is clear is to look at his motivations, to say that, as i mentioned earlier, you don't want to live in a world of surveillance where what you say and what you do is scrutinized. the first place you go is china? and when you regard the chinese embrace as insufficient to your taste, you had to moscow to be close to the fsb. this is a russia that not only invaded georgia, but let's look at it from a journalistic perspective -- a place where journalists are criticized in the press disappear. to have accidents and elevators. where the enemies of vladimir putin have terrible chances of having a premature accidents. in the united kingdom and seen u.k. citizen

house intelligence chairman mike rogers says this shows just how brazen the group has become. >> thea threat today is more diverse and more aggressive with more threats streams than we've seen since even before 9/11. the less pressure you put on them, the more they take that as a victory and believe they can get away with plotting, planning, organizing as you saw there, finance, training, all the things they would need to do to strike a western target, they're going through that process, including, by the way, bringing very sophisticated people to devise new devices to try to get around security protocols. >> cnn's barbara starr broke the story. she joins us with more from the pentagon. good morning. >> good morning, carol. 100 al qaeda fighters out in the open. it sure doesn't look like al qaeda on the run. it's the largest and most dangerous gathering of al qaeda in years, and the cia and the pentagon either didn't know about it or couldn't get a drone there in time to strike. u.s. officials will not say. but every frame is being analyzed. in the middle, the man known as al qaeda's

feinstein, mike rogers, dutch ruppersberger, but you didn't tell me. we are kind of at that cusp in our political culture. i was director of the cia and i had a wonderful team of outside civilians. one guy got permission to use gave her a tough job. another subcommittee was doing i.t. and another doing recruiting. tough job.y a study this problem and come out and tell me, will america be able to conduct espionage in the future inside a broader political culture that everyday demands for transparency and more public accountability from every aspect of national life? the study of for about four months and came back and gave me a firm, hardly speaking "we are not sure." which is a very telling answer. so here we are. with the national enterprise that i'm just going to assume we all believe is legitimate and necessary, american espionage, and a broader political culture that demands more transparency of an enterprise content demand secrecy for its very nature and its very success. that is white is why did now so difficult for all of us. , generaling up, ba

mike rogers says the following: >> well, you put your finger on et. matter is that al-qaeda is on the rise in the middle east in general and in north and northeast africa. and when it comes to benghazi, julie, we were tracking ansar al-sharia or aas for a year and a half who conducted 20 incidents in the vicinity of benghazi which concluded with the burning down of the consulate and the killing of our four americans to include the ambassador. we know who these people are. we though where they are. there are what should have happened is the president should have issued a finding to the central intelligence agency just as president bush did with al-qaeda to kill and capture them. we have not killed a single one of them or captured a single one of them since a year and a half ago when that incident took place. the president changed the policy. the policy post-9/11 was kill and capture people who were killing us. he's put it back into the criminal justice system to investigate, to apprehend and arrest. and that is likely not to happen. julie: general jack