. >> just as an aside, my namesake who's twice as big as me, mike rosenthal, was a right guard for the new york giants. >> right. oh, yeah. no, no. the, the absurd notion that corporations are people for purposes of free speech, only a lawyer could come up with that one. are robots also going to have of the right of free speech? look, when we had malapportionment particularly in the south, cows and trees had more influence than voters in some parts of the country. so, of course, corporations ought not to have the right of free speech. free speech is for individuals, for people. yes, money influences politics. and i think citizens united was a very close and difficult case. the aclu, which is generally a left-leaning organization, was on the side of citizens united and on the side of money being speech. i think reasonable people could disagree about that. what i don't like and i write in my book is jeffrey toobin reports, and he's a good reporter, that john roberts said to somebody that he was voting in citizens united in a way that he thought would help the republican party. when justi