adam mansbach, jim lynch, ruben martinez and mike sager. you are on c-span2, live coverage from tucson [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] .. i brought smarter and better people to join in the conversation. but i do want to say one thing about our piano. we decided prior to the discussion that were pretty shared the journalism might include women. [laughter] and so, as atom who speaks the hip lingo said, this is the second on a panel. we would just point out, all of those that we will be taking a lot of questions from women to guide these guys in the right way. so let's talk about the future of journalism. it's in pretty dire straits. newspapers are closing across the country and those that remain open but the question of why they didn't close. additionally, television and radio stations are shutting down newsroom and we are constantly told we should believe there's a few chill for journalism online. unfortunately that by and large doesn't pay anybody. so we end up in a situation where we gather to talk about journalism at a

. >> mike sager and his books. you should tell people what you didn't do is -- >> i feel bad at this. >> "the someone you're not" and it is also the "next wave" which is the collection of -- >> sager group.net. >> you start your collection of essays with alarm, i hope i wrote it right here. i came to journalism for the story. would be fair to say as long as the store is if there's going to be journalism? the journalism lose sight of that for a while? >> journalism became like -- as the synergy with tv and cable group, i know a lot of people remember a current affairs. used to make that maury povich show. it was like the first, you know, crime, synergy with crime. i was one of the lucky ones to make movies out of crime and then all those crime shows. now we've got onto reality shows. we've also like kind of broken off this whole paparazzi headline news come entertainment, celebrity culture which feeds upon moment of moment update of the web which newspapers can be which is why got to find new things to do. but it's a