lawrence walsh, who spent five years, i think as a general matter, he feels a considerable amount of pressure to act with dispatch not interfere with the midterm elections. but does he care what mikeot a bit. >> i'm struck by the polling out just tonight. on every single question, should the president testify? it really does seem that the political message the president is pushing is having an effect. >> it's having an effect on the people who are listening to him. >> along the lines of what jeff was saying, that doesn't matter to robert mueller, it is going to matter if he returns some substantive conclusions and then it becomes a political matter. he's assuming that nothing comes of it, he's saying, you wrap it up and there's nothing there, and we all wipe our hands and go about our business. the administration feels this is a dark cloud hanging over them. what happens when he wraps it up and there is something there about. >> that is the biggest point here that i think people don't talk about enough. when robert mueller is done, he will likely write a report, and we will see that report, it will likely not go to a courtroom the next day. this will not be for a judge and a jury.