heart's -- unexpectedly got his heart's desire. >> how much credit reagan deserves. >> i would add mikhail gorbachev. inadvertently. by opening the lid on dissent and by allowing the soviets to look at what was wrong, he basically released the genie that led to the demise of the soviet union. reagan, the way i put it is that of all american presidents, reagan probably deserves the most credit. but great things like the demise of a large empire or are far beyond the work of any one person. timing is everything. if leonid brezhnev, for example, had lived another six years, i think reagan would have gone out of office, and there wouldn't have been any change. it required somebody on the soviet side to say we need to change some stuff. and when they sort of started remodeling the house, they realized how rotten it was. one of the reasons reagan gets credit is because he's the one who said, mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. now, it's important to note that when reagan left office, the wall was still securely standing. and it wasn't until the end of 1989 that the wall, metaphorically, was breached. but