joining us now is wedding author chris hedges to talk about this article by mikhail gorbachev it's called the madness of nuclear deterrence do you get his point on this gorbachev is exactly right this is this inability on the part of the world's two largest nuclear powers to speak and negotiate or rationally is very very dangerous but there's is there's this thinking out there that's been going on for a long time he talks about margaret thatcher being a disciple of this most of us grew up with the cuban missile crisis we've always been told as long as we have big nukes and the bigger our nukes the bigger their nukes that's fine because then no one will use them so it's the fact that our weapons are large that keeps us from ever having to engage in a war that's kind of the thinking guys like you and i grew up with and that's what some of those leaders you just mentioned also kind of believed in is that true. well no of course i mean it was it was reducing the nuclear stockpiles and and monitoring those stockpiles that made the world a safer place getting reengaged which we've now done in a

with its new leader mikhail gorbachev in the middle of the 1980 s. . perestroika meant restructuring towards liberalisation and democratisation it certainly had a positive impact on the international situation astonishing news from east germany where the east german authorities have said in essence of the berlin wall doesn't mean anything anymore. but inside the u.s.s.r. the weakening of kremlin control had different consequences. in ukraine a nationalistic political organization. or people's movement emerged in 1989 due to this openness. they advocated for independence of ukraine from the u.s.s.r. and became an incubator for leaders of ukraine in the nazis. in 19011 of them new book founded svoboda an openly radical nationalist party preaching the good old principles of bondage era. if you just. heard crain from the jews in russia ukraine for ukrainians and so on his statements got him 5th place in the simon visa center top 10 anti semitic world leader rankings of 2012. but also sadly attracted numerous follow ups. dimitri are founded another extreme

who is the legendary translator of former soviet leader mikhail gorbachev talks to me about his nose thrilling and exciting experiences. in the face of nations wrists on a leader's words and a misunderstanding could trigger disaster the art of translation becomes crucial in global affairs what does the translator witnessed behind closed doors during one on one negotiations how do you translate those who show the world leaders cope with the risk of a mistake and do they also have their own impact on global decisions. it is so great to have you on our program welcome thank you so i want to talk about you in this and she put the most part when i go back a little bit when you first started working on the level of us so it summits did it scare you the. reagan emulate you're literally translating the words of the most powerful man in the world did it at that moment. i don't think i was scared frankly i don't think that if you're scared of responsibility you want to do this kind of work. it is interesting that this was the first time that simultaneous interpretation was used rather than con

the legendary translator of former soviet leader mikhail gorbachev talks to me about his new thrilling and exciting experience. when the face of nations wrists on a leader's words and a misunderstanding could trigger disaster the art of translation becomes crucial in global affairs what does the translator witnessed behind closed doors during one on one negotiations how do you translate those who show the world leaders cope with the risk of a mistake and you also have their own impact on global decisions. it is so great to have you on our program welcome thank you so i want to talk about you in this century the most part when you go back a little when you first started working on the level of us so it's good it. scary. reagan and molecular literally translating the words of the most powerful man in the world did it change it that moment. i don't think i was scared frankly i don't think that if you're scared of responsibility you want to do this kind of work. it is interesting that this was the first time that simultaneous interpretation was used rather than consecutive interpretation w

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reagan walked out in reykjavik and worked on his relationship with mikhail gorbachev. that works.ng with other things. what was going on in the ussr at the time, et cetera. that all had an impact. reagan shows a relationship. i think that is what president trump is doing. i believe it's the effective way to get with kim jong un i get to an agreement. >> harris: we also saw situation and i reported was telling us about it. a north korean cargo vessel connection to sanctions violations, seized by the u.s. government. is there an uptick in this, and what is at stake? >> honestly, harris, i think we are enforcing sanctions. you can't have a rule you are unwilling to enforce and it really be a rule. these are international sanctions, we are just enforcing them. that's all that's happened here. >> harris: when you look at going forward and the president saying that they are talking, and you you and compared it to gorbachev and reagan, which is interesting, that relationship d boundaries. this relationship has to have boundaries, too. >> there is no doubt about that. i think kim jong un

in 1988, president ronald reagan declared the cold war over as his summit with soviet leader mikhail gorbachevtant work during the four-day meeting. >> bill: i'll say. >> sandra: there is a look back. happy friday to you, bill hemmer. >> bill: ntu, sandra k smith. >> sandra: [laughs] i think we need a weekend. >> bill: we will take it. >> sandra: it was a good week. we'll see you monday morning at 9:00 a.m. thanks for joining us. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: new reaction to attorney general william barr's first public comments since former special counsel robert mueller broke his silence on the russia investigation. it's friday. it's been quite a week. the attorney general saying mueller should have reached a decision on potential charges against the president. as we hear new calls for mueller to testify. you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. next to me, melissa francis. fox business network anger dagen mcdowell. i love saying that. former ohio senate democratic minority leader, capri cafaro, with the wave. in the center seat, you better salute. retired u.s. marine corps