millennia -- this definition has been with us for millennia. it is very difficult for the court.ow better. john: greg justice kennedy is somebody who people on the pro-gay marriage side have counted on as a safe boat in this vote. there he was expressing skepticism about changing the definition of marriage. do you think justice kennedy is still a safe boatvote for gay marriage? greg: i think he is highly likely vote for same-sex marriage based on what he has done in the past. he has written in the three big gay rights decisions in the last 20 years. he was on the court over the last several months. it would be a real shift for him to go back and say no, i changed my mind i willd. mark: let's move on to socrates also known as the chief justice john roberts. he had some questions which is often the case for both sides. chief justice roberts: the argument on the other side is the are seeking to redefine the institution. every definition that i looked up prior to about one dozen years ago defines marriage as a unity between a man and a woman, as husband and wife. if you succeed, that

this definition has been with us for millennia. it it's difficult for the cower to say, well we know better. >> when he talks about ten years, he's talking about also the analogy to brown v. board of education and the loving case which outlawed the laws in virginia. there was a ten-year gap between '54 and '68. the ten years that we have now been dealing with the legality of same-sex marriage. >> that's right. ten years ago, passed the vote in favor of gay rights in the supreme court. he's been a hero and the leader in the supreme court on that issue. what he's struggling with has the ten years that the country has had to adapt to an expansion of gay rights been enough when we look against the span of history across millennia where we've only had opposite-sex marriage. my bet in the end is he will say yes. he cares so much about the dignity of couples in the end. >> he repeatedly mentioned dignity. the dignity that they deserve. i was struck by the counter arguments against the plaintiffs arguing in one stance it was the attorney b

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this definition has been with us for millennia.for the court to say oh well we know better. >> joining me now is the founder of the it gets better project, dan savage and chad griffin, president of the human rights campaign. chad let me start with you, because i think we broadly acknowledged that national attitudes around same-sex marriage have changed dramatically. what do you think about his concern that the definition of marriage has not changed for millennia, up until this millennium? >> that was one quote of many over those couple of hours. and the definition of marriage was certainly talked about and it was also talked about the fact that in 1967, in many states in this country, interracial marriage was banned so. the definition of marriage at that time did not allow for interracial marriages. there was also historically a deferential treatment that women had to have to men in marriage. so over time that definition has, in fact changed. but what has not changed is what that means to two loving couples, and the rights and prot

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we have been around for millennia. charlie: americans respect that. mr.if: they should look at our history. in the last 250 years, we have not invaded any country. charlie: you have not invaded any country, but you have people at your support engaged in warfare in other countries. mr. jarif: my friend, who did we support? charlie: the iranians are supporting military action in yemen. am i wrong? mr. jarif: you are wrong about where you start your history. can we say the u.s. supported the taliban? saddam hussein in iraq? charlie: they supported saddam hussein in their war against iran, which we did not -- iranians have not forgotten. mr. jarif: we will not forget that our people were targeted by a chemical weapons and nobody raised an eyebrow. these are parts of history nobody will forget. the u.s. should not forget that it supported the wrong people in our part of the world. and continues to. we always resisted extremism in our region. we are the only country that is standing up against this group this bunch of terrorists. charlie: you are the only group

court should change the definition of marriage when it's been between a man and women for so many millennia as he put it. former assembly tom omiano here who once marched the streets with harvey milk. >> i don't appreciate this being an issue saying hmm it's always been this way. that shows how narrow their view of history is. who wrote that history? maybe people who are not necessarily willing to acknowledge gay people. >> it is of course impossible to know which way the justices were leaning just by virtue of their questions. past supreme court cases have taught us that lesson. we'll have to wait for the answer until june when the supreme court is expected to make its decision. joe vazquez kpix 5. >> cbs news chief legal correspondent jan crawford was at the u.s. supreme court for today's arguments. she explains why it could all come down to one man. justice anthony kennedy. >> today he asked very tough questions from both sides. he started off by kind of stressing the gravity and magnitude of this decision, saying this has been the definition, the traditional definition of marriage has b

still ten years, when we talk about millennia. this definition has been with us for millennia. and it's very difficult for the court to say, oh well we know better. >> well, i don't think this is a question of court knowing better. when you think about the debate the place of gay people in our civic society is something that has been contested for more than a century. in the last century immigration exclusions, the place of gay people in public employment and federal service, these are all things that have been contested. and you can say ten years of marriage for massachusetts but it's also in the 1970s that the baker case from minnesota reached this court and that's over 40 years ago. it was over 20 years ago that the hawaii supreme court seemed to indicate it would rule in favor of marriage. american people have been debating and discussing there. it's been exhaustively aired. bottom line is gay and lesbian families live in communities as neighborhood throughout this whole country. >> you argue in your brief that the primary purpose of the michigan law limiting marriage to a

this definition has been with us for millennia. and it it's very difficult for the court to say, oh, well, we know better. ms. bonauto: well, i don't think this is a question of the court knowing better. when we think about the debate the place of gay people in our civic society is something that has been contested for more than a century. and in this in the last century, immigration exclusions, the place of gay people in public employment and federal service these are all things that have been contested and you can say 10 years of marriage for massachusetts, but it's also in the 1970's that the baker case from minnesota reached this court, and that's over 40 years ago. and it was over 20 years ago that the hawaii supreme court seemed to indicate that it would rule in favor of marriage, and the american people have been debating and discussing this. it has been exhaustively aired and the bottom line is that gay and lesbian families live in communities as neighbors throughout this whole country. and we have seen this -- justice alit

the word that keeps coming back to me is millennia, plus time.st of all, there has not been really time for the federal system to engage in this debate. the separate states. on a larger scale, it has been -- it was about the same time between brown and loving lawrence and this case. john: greg, justice kennedy is somebody who people on the pro-gay marriage side have counted on as a safe vote. there he was expressing skepticism about changing the definition of marriage. do you think justice kennedy is still a safe vote for gay marriage? him greg: i think he is highly likely vote for same-sex marriage based on what he has done in the past. he has written in the three big gay rights decisions in the last 20 years. he was on the court over the last several months. it would be a real shift for him to go back and say, no, i changed my mind. mark: let's move on to socrates, also known as the chief justice john roberts. he had some questions which is often the case for both sides. mark: we heard the chief justice questioning both sides somewhat skeptical

spoke about the traditional definition of mare acsaying the word that keeps coming back to me is millennia but later he questioned opponents. he said same-sex couples say we understand the knowability and the sacredness of marriage. gavin newsom was among those at the supreme court to hear the arguments. we talked with him of he went inside. >> i've been at this for ten years. there's still 14 states that deny this right. for me it's a personal journey and one i'm very, very honored to participate in. >> he was mayor in 2004 when he first allowed same-sex couples to get married. the two court separate arguments but the justices are likely to issue a single decision on both. that decision could overturn remaining laws nationwide that allow same-sex marriages or some marriage bans could be upheld and the ruling is expected in late june. >>> police on the peninsula are looking for a man who groped a young girl at a popular shopping store. janine de la vega said he was caught on camera and now police are making that surveillance video public. >> reporter: the suspect that police are looking fo

heavy metals that have been locked in rock for millennia are exposed to air and water. >> pretty much anywhere you see cleared areas up here on mountain tops, those are surface mining sites. chemicals like the one that leaked into elk river are used to wash the coal at prep plants like this - to separate the coal from rock and clay. the waste that is left over - known as slurry - is pumped into impoundment lakes. sometimes it's piped into abandoned underground mines. if it leaks out, slurry can be a major source of contamination to groundwater >> mining impacts ground water, period. the problem is you've got just a myriad of contaminants and contaminant routes or pathways - surface waters, groundwater, air exposures - and so all kinds of contaminants and people being exposed in lots of different ways. so it's really hard to come up with - this contaminant travelled this way and caused this problem. >> is part of what you do an attempt to stop mining? >> no i don't think so. what i want is to better understand the impact - what has been called the 'externalities' of coal mining. to me,

it predates every civil government throughout millennia of history have affirmed what is obvious part of the order. marriage is the union of a man and woman. it doesn't confine any religion and is not created by religion. it is not a religious belief. religion affirms that which is part of the natural creative order a civil government affirms that as much as it affirms gravity. you may not like gravity. you may prefer to fly to jump off a building or click. gravity is what gravity is. you can resist it, but it's fair, part of the natural creative order. the factor is part of our natural order, humans have male and female con together for not only unity that procreation and having the best initial cell the unit on which the rest of society is built to raise children and to produce those as productive citizens is the central structure of our humanity that transcends time, generations and geography. not created by any civilization. it is part of our creative order. as such we come to a letter from dr. martin at the king junior when he wrote a letter from the birmingham jail. dr. king was

definition, as chief justice roberts was saying, the dictionary definition which has existed for millennia, and you apply that over generations, that those changes matter. and it's not unreasonable 50 -- justice breyer: i'm sure that's true. but i mean, the fact is that that x%, a very high percentage of opposite-sex people don't have children and everybody knows they can't, and a very -- and a high certain percentage, i'm sure probably pretty of high of those who get married, of same-sex people who get married do have children. so where is this going? i mean, what are these two couples to do with it? i mean -- mr. bursch: well, we're -- justice kennedy: how do we get from what i just said -- mr. bursch: right. we're concerned -- justice kennedy: to some kind of rational or important distinction? mr. bursch: what we're concerned about all the children, children of opposite-sex couples and children of same-sex couples. there are 72 million children in this country. if this court ensconces in the constitution a new definition of marriage and it reduces the rate that opposite-sex couples stay

>> in this safety cordon are millions of all of trees, --olive trees, which are centuries, even millenniald. they witnessed the huns and the moors, and now they will fall victim to the bacterium? >> antonio's small business is typical for olive oil production in the region. most companies are in family hands. the little hope for the future. -- they see little hope for the future. >> last year, we worked for six months. this year, we only have one month's work. without olives, we will not have any work. >> a small bacterium is putting the entire region in italy at risk. soon, these olive presses could be mothballed forever. damien: wow, a million trees to be destroyed -- had eu with fishers -- have eu officials gone crazy you can let me know what you think by getting in touch with us on twitter or by e-mail. now to romania, a country which over the last decade has lost around 3 million people who have left to find work elsewhere. the advantage is they send large amounts of money back home, which is an important source of revenue for romania. it's also causing depopulation, which is leading

to read the first question why you asking us to throw away a millennia worth of rationality based onrs of experience of same-sex marriage? >> why should they be so arrogant to throw away those definitions of marriage? to people want to reduce that why have the courts do it? >> i'd of that war conservative views on same-sex marriages and that is fine but those who decided to legalize same-sex marriage how they refer to to a non same-sex marriage. to put the toothpaste back into the tube? >> in which case 11 states have same-sex marriage. but most of those are forced through court's action for the 11 states have voted to be defined marriage. the other 39 said not so fast. texas and ohio antecedes is rand tennessee can say we will wait and see. but to throw out institutions of civil society through the test of time. kennedy: may be it is through the church not through the state. >> i would agree but every political community has been in the marriage business. because they need them the yen and a woman in. this is why governments have not given that baptism or the bar mitzvah. kennedy: b

the traditional definition of marriage has been in place for millennia and they are asking for a change. but later in the argument, he seemed troubled that same sex couples of course wanted to have children and be part of a loving family. really pushes back on opponents of same sex marriage. so he was tough to read. at the end of the day, this would come down as it has in the past to justice kennedy. >> who gave the most compelling argument today? >> reporter: i think the argument went off the rails for opponents of same sex marriage. >> the court is expected to rule in june. >>> barry bonds isn't home free just yet. the feds may ask the u.s. supreme court to reinstate his obstruction of justice conviction. they threw it out last week saying there wasn't enough evidence. now, the u.s. attorney's office in san francisco has asked the court to hold off on finalizing the ruling pending a possible appeal. >>> we all know bay area real estate is crazy expensive, but we are seeing big change ins many neighborhoods. ghost homes, andria borba is in palo alto tonight. andria? >> reporter: here i

. >> we stand with millennia, of experience, that the union of a man of a woman man and a woman is a cornerstone of the society. >> i'm confident that these people will see what the majority of americans have come to see. which is that when we ended discrimination, when we and exclusion, families are helped and no one is hurt. >> the number of states where same-sex marriage has grown rapidly over the last few years. thirty-six states including california and the district of columbia passed laws allowing it. the supreme court is expected to issue this ruling by the end of june. >>> tonight mountain view supporters of same-sex marriage will hold a vigil at city hall on the supreme court hearing the vigil is scheduled to begin at 6:00 p.m. >>> today hundreds of california muslims are heading to the state capitol in sacramento. this is the fourth annual muslim day at the capitol. participants will meet with state lawmakers to ask for support for bills dealing with police surveillance, equal pay for women, and a freeze on tuition at state colleges and universities. the event is organized

. >> this definition has been with us for a millennia and it is very difficult for the court to say, oh, well we know better. fundamental core institution is the opposite sex relationship. >> same-sex marriages are district in several states and the district of columbia. this case involved couples where they states are legal. >> we shouldn't have to leave our state where the same couples get the temperature in other states. >> we took this step for the protection of our country and we stand before you one step closer to being a legalized, recognized family in the state of michigan. >> there are an estimated 350,000 mayored same-sex -- married same-sex couples according to ucla. some couples have implemented benefit plans but how many more businesses will have to follow suit if the court rules in favor of gay marriages. so far the biggest economic headache has been -- you guessed if -- taxes. federal tax policy is uniform after the court's ruling two years ago. the challenge now is what to do at the state level. >> the uncertainty is where it is still dd and in a state like alabama wh

though he said the traditional definition has been around for millennia, he also said allowing gay couples to marry gives them respect. >> same-sex couples say, of course, we understand the nobility and the sacredness of the marriage. we know we can't procreate, but we want the other attributes of it in order to show that we, too, have a dignity that can be fulfilled. >> reporter: the argument was briefly interrupted by the shouts of an opponent of same-sex marriage as court police rushed in to hustle him out. justice kennedy came back to that dignity point a couple of times, suggesting there's a bare 5-4 majority in favor of same-sex marriage. but we won't know until the court's decision comes out in late june. lester? >> pete williams tonight, thanks. we're back in a movement with a terrifying incident that forced a plane to attempt an emergency landing late today. >>> scary moments late today on the runway in philadelphia where a united airlines turboprop plane with 75 people on board made an emergency landing because of a fire in one of the engines. the plane was immediately doused in

. >>: this has been with us for millennia and is very difficult for the courts to say we know better >> dan kerman: the attorneys tried to put this another way. >>: were asking you to a firm every pot every one's fundamental right to marriage. >>: every single individual in this society chooses if they can their sexual orientation of whom aerial not to marry i suspect evoke with us giving these rod rights to marry the there some day people that would choose not to guess is there are some heterosexual couples the choose not to marry so we're not taking anyone's liberty away. >> dan kerman: in the justice in addition to the justice kennedy is also justice robert could be not the one tip their hand as to which way they would go. live in san francisco's city hall dan kerman kron 4 news >> pam moore: house democratic leader nancy pelosi released a statement before the u.s. supreme court proceedings today which said in part no one deserves to be denied the right of citizenship because of who they are or will they love marriage with protections and privileges loving couples earned through t

justice anthony kennedy: >> this disef nition has been with us for millennia and it's very difficult for the court to say, oh, well, we-- we know better. >> reporter: conservatives suggested the court should stay out of it. chief justice john roberts said a ruling decreeing same-sex marriage legal could harden opposition. >> there will be no more debate. i mean, closing the debate can close minds. >> reporter: the shift in public opinion has been dramatic. same-sex marriage is now legal in 37 states. it's unclear from the arguments whether the court will make it legal nationwide. liberal justices suggested the constitution requires same-sex couples be treated as equal to heterosexual couples as families with children. justice stephen breyer: >> many gay people want to have children, and they do. >> reporter: that point seemed to resonate with ken dierk the pivotal vote on gay-rights chases. he took issue with the lawyer opposing same-sex marriage. >> husome premise that only opposite-sex couples can have a bonding with a child. that's-- that was very interesting, but it's just a wron

though he said the traditional definition has been around for millennia. he said letting gay couples marry gives them respect. >> same-sex couples say, of course we understand the nobility and the sacredness of marria we know we can't procreate, but we want the other attributes of it in order to show that we too, have a dignity that can be fulfilled. >> the argument was briefly interrupted by the shouts of an opponent of same-sex marriage as court police rushed in to hustle him out. justice kennedy came back to that dignity point a couple of times suggesting there's a bare 5-4 majority in favor of same-sex marriage no sign of a sixth vote with the chief justice joining. that's something many were wondering about. but we won't know the answ to any of this until the court's dees out in late june. lester? >> thanks very much. back in a moment with a terrifying incident that forced a plane to attempt an thank you for being a sailor, and my daddy. thank you mom, for protecting my future. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are thankful for

. >> this definition has been with us for millennia. and it's very difficult for the court to say, oh, well, we know better. >> reporter: but he was also critical of the opponents' argument that marriage is primarily about having children. >> you had some premise that only opposite sex couples can have a bonding with the child. that's very interesting, but it's just a wrong premise. >> reporter: david, over 2 1/2 hours of arguments, the court seemed deeply divided with justice kennedy right in the middle. we'll know his decision and the court's decision, by june 30th. david? >> all right, jon karl in washington tonight. jon, thank you. >>> we turn now to saudi arabia tonight, claiming it has stopped an attack on the u.s. embassy in riyadh. authorities there saying they arrested 93 suspects with ties to isis. the alleged plan calling for suicide bomb attacks. saudi arabia of course as we reported here taking part in u.s.-led air strikes against isis in iraq and in syria. >>> back here at home tonight and to colorado now, that movie theat

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although he said the traditional definition has been around for millennia, he said allowing gay couples to marry gives them respect. >> same-sex couples say, of course we understand the nobility and sacredness of marriage. we know we can't procreate but we want the other attributes of it in order to show that we too have a dignity that can be fulfilled. >> that was nbc's pete williams reporting. nbc meteorologist bill karins is here with oh dare i say a rather nice forecast. >> i'd say probably 90% of the country has a beautiful easy forecast for the middle of the week, hump day. south florida is not one of them. by far the worst weather overnight and early this morning has been here in south florida. soaking rain a lot of lightning strikes. that squall line is now heading down through the florida keys. also a little rain through the southeast today from atlanta to charleston, a little rain. nothing too bad out there. get better as the afternoon goes on. the middle of the country there's nothing at all. we have a very weak frontal system trying to push through the west. it's about as we

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. >> this definition has been with us for millennia. it's very difficult for the court to say, oh well, we know better. >> reporter: liberal justice expressed that by not acting homo sexual couples will be violated. >> reporter: the supreme court will decide to questions, the constitutionality of bans on same-sex marriage and if states should recognize gay marriages from other states. again chief justice roberts expressed concerns. >> in other words, it would kind of -- one state would basically set the policy for the entire nation. >> reporter: after 2-1/2 hours attorneys for the plaintiffs left the court to cheers. >> the court absolutely it's their jobs to make sure that every individual's liberty and equality is protected regardless of state law. >> reporter: and gavin newsom thinks the argument went well. >> if your justice roberts you know how archaic this is to history. it may be more than just kennedy that's in play here today. >> reporter: the justices will meet in private and there they will discuss the case and take a prelimi

it predates every civil government throughout millennia of history have affirmed what is obvious part of the order. marriage is the union of a man and woman. it wasn't confined to any religion and is not created by religion. it is not a religious belief. religion affirms that which is part of the natural creative order a civil government affirms that as much as it affirms gravity. you may not like gravity. you may prefer to fly to jump off a building or click. -- or a cliff. gravity is what gravity is. you can resist it, but it's fair, part of the natural creative order. the factor is part of our natural order, humans have male and female coming together for not only unity that procreation and having the best initial cell, the unit on which the rest of society is built to raise children and to produce those as productive citizens is the central structure of our humanity that transcends time, generations and geography. not created by any civilization. it is part of our creative order. as such we come to a letter from dr. martin at the king junior when he wrote a letter from the birming

and so i don't even know how to count the decimals when we talk about millennia. this definition has been with us >> we will think about the debates [inaudible] something has been contested, in the last century it was a place of public employment and federal service and these are things that have been contested and you can say 10 years of marriage in massachusetts, but also there was a case for minnesota to reach this court and that was over 20 years ago but they seem to indicate that it would rule in favor of marriage and that they have been debating and discussing this and the bottom line is that gay and lesbian families throughout this whole country -- >> you argue in your brief that the primary purpose of the michigan law marriage between a man and woman, is to demean gay people. is that correct? >> the michigan statute certainly went out of their way to say that gay people were in some sense antithetical to the good of society. >> did you see in your brief that the primary purpose was to demean gay people we met. >> i think that it has that effect. >> is that

. >> definition has been with us for millennia. about and it's very difficult for the court say oh well. we know that better. >>reporter: he was also critical of the opponent argument that marriage is pray mayoral about having children. >> you have some premise that only opposite sex couple can have a bonding with the child. that was very interesting. jaws wrong premise. >>reporter: that was jonathan karl reporting. supporters of same sex marriage held a rally in san francisco tonight. activist handed out fliers in the castro district this morning inviting people to taentd event. thoughts who have been at the center of the issue for years can't believe the day is financially here. >> heart is beat something fast. thinks historic day. we are financially on the very tej of full he quult for all sentences. sfishingts advocate say it has been a long road. they vividly remember when then mayor newsom defy mayor newsom defied the law and allowed gay cup tolls marry in san francisco back in 2004. >> much more ahead for you on this tuesday

. >> this definition has been with us for millennia. it's very difficult for the court to say oh well, we know better. later kennedy expressed concern about excluding same-sex couples from marrying. >> i thought that was the whole purpose of marriage, it bestows dignity on both man and womb in a traditional marriage. these parties say they want to have that, that same ennoblement. >> they say the core definition of marriage will no longer hold. >> you're not looking to uphold the institution but change what the constitution is. >> he said, it states have the right to define marriage and the court should not enact social change of this magazine attitude. >> that'smagnitude. >> that's not i way that our democratic process is supposed to work and there are long term harms to our country and that fundamental liberty. >> there are fundamental rights guaranteed by the constitution. >> you don't decide fundamental rights and equality by a head count. you decide it by representatives to principles in this country that we've had for a hundred ye

nine justices, with some knowing that marriage has been reserved for he want ro sexual couples for millenniaand others on a federal level. richard is a former special assistant and senior adviser to president bill clinton. so let me put that question to you. and i don't know what the court is going to decide. but i want your view of this. is there a constitutional right to marry for gay couples in the constitution and that's the question for justices to decide. what's your answer? >> my answer is yes and in the simple way to think about it, the equal protection clause guarantees that all citizens will be treated equally and if we're going to be in the business of issuing marriage licenses to anybody, we have to issue them to everybody. >> another question here. if the court doesn't decide this in the way that you think it should, if it up holds the bans on same-sex marriage, there's another question here, right? do those states have to recognize same-sex couples married in states where it is legal? does your marital status travel with you? >> right and it's an interesting question. and the c