we considered working with the late late-night miller commants. just way too much money. we couldn't afford to hire 10-b officers. i know there were -- one of the commissioners was concerned about access to patrol specials, and if there is not a patrol special in the neighborhood, they don't have access. many well, -- well, the 10-b is too expensive for many neighborhoods. we pay the same rates as glen park. it is more affordable, and it works. i would also like to note that in the newspaper yesterday or this morning there was published a letter -- [bell] patrol specials can help the police department meet their needs. i think we can all pork -- work together and be really creative force -- president marshall: sorry to stop you. thank you. >> hello. my name is ken craig. i fill a number of roles. one of them i lead a martial arts organization and have been for a number of years. i recently got a number of different events. we are a civilian organization. which actually patrols the streets of the castro. we do that in association with the san francisco mission police stati