one thing that impacted her political relationship with bill milligan was the fact that she moved toashington with romney or was going to move with romney in 1969. he you talk to her about her job at the housing and development department when she ended up going back to the national republican committee. i think for bill milligan's first years as governor she was in washington and then of course after 1970 retired for a more formal political role. at the same time helen milligan's feminism was -- so they became very close and the battle over the bow rights amendment. when elly and -- stepped step down as the co-chairs they recruited helen milligan and sharon rockefeller to take their places so she continued to have a close relationship. i think she had a great deal of respect for bill milligan as a politician out of the same moderate republican mold that she was out of. any other questions or comments that people want to share from your own experience? go ahead again, bill. >> i gather you weren't right there when she was going through those -- but i remember her as a young person. i