so apparently milligan and the defense against milligan's claim was indeed that he really was attempting to subvert the union's efforts and, indeed, he was deeply involved. i think that the lessons that we learned from these cases are that they are examples of country of extremists. it's very hard. i was very interested in the last part of the discussion at the table. your comments about really very hard to have an appreciation of the type of circumstance which lincoln faced. i don't think on a national experience. every time i think about it 600,000 americans giving their lives, 1 in 50, there are about 275 of us assembled tonight, six of us would've paid with our lives in this small grouping alone. the suspension of the writ is an interesting from a legal perspective, an interesting anecdote in american history. but if the application to understanding presidential war powers today. and with national organizations are seeking to employ terrorist activities against the united es easy analog for us either at the federal or state level. but i will say tonight was a wonderful night and i'm

so apparently milligan and the defense against milligan's exclaim was indeed that he really was attempting to subvert the union's efforts and indeed he was deeply involved in the process. i think that the lessons that we learned from these cases are that they are examples of a country in extremists. it's very hard. and i was very interested in the last part of the discussion at the table. your comments about really very hard to draw lessons today. very hard to have an appreciation of the type of circumstance which lincoln faced. i don't think replicable again in the national experience. i hope not, because it cost us dearly. one in every 600,000 americans giving their lives. 1 in 50. there are about 275 of us, maybe 300 of us assembled, six of us would have paid with our lives in this grouping alone. the war came home regularly. the suspension of the writs an interesting thing from a legal perspective anecdote from the american history standpoint. but its application to understanding presidential war powers today and with nations that aren't sovereign and are seeking to employ terrorist ac

the other fellow is landen milligan. and by the way, merriman became treasure of the state of maryland from 1870 to 1871. milligan lived in indiana, he was an attorney. he was born in ohio. he had never held political office but had been very active in the peace democrats. the peace democrats felt that war was absolutely wrong, and were very, very supportive of the confederates. and he was involved in a plan to attempt to release a number of confederate prisoners from federal prisons in the indiana area and also there was allegations that perhaps they were going to seize or attempt to seize weapons from an arsenal. milligan was charged in a military tribunal and convicted in 1865, i believe it was or 1864. ultimately his case made its way to the supreme court and i believe he was represented by james garfield, who later became president of the united states, with regard to his petition. the supreme court said that with regard to milligan, his case was unusual. he was a civilian. he was also tried in a military tribunal a

spike milligan. >> spike milligan. >> jimmy: very, very good. >> yeah, i was brought up on that stuffoon shows." >> amazing. the best stuff. >> jimmy: just the funniest stuff. >> yeah, and there's something about it being audio that just makes it even more special. >> jimmy: yeah, because you make up the -- in your imagination, you just think of what they're doing. like -- he's like -- >> yeah, yeah. >> jimmy: he goes, "i'm going to the army." and you hear this band go -- ♪ they play, and he goes, "stop, stop, stop." and then he goes, "i'm going to the navy." and they go, "why?" he goes, "the army's too loud." >> yeah, exactly. [ laughter ] it's clever. >> jimmy: great jokes like that. you go, "oh, my gosh." brilliant stuff. >> jimmy: how come you haven't done comedies? >> i don't know. i don't know. >> jimmy: you should. i mean, yeah. are you -- >> i think i'd love to. but i just -- you know, i got into that serious drama -- >> jimmy: i mean, you're amazing, yeah, dramatic actor. but now, you're in -- you're working with tyler perry. he's a funny guy. >> yeah, he is. although, funnil

susan mil susan milligan, here we are. an issue we should never argue. this is the trickiest for me. let me state the fact and then we'll begin the discussion here. a new ruling by hhs as part of the new health care bill says if you're an organization and you provide health coverage, that should include coverage for contraceptives, but also devices such as iuds and morning after pills, which the catholic church views as abortion. most people understand these issues. especially catholics. the question is fundamental, you and i are church goers. we understand this issue. we heard it on the church altar two weeks ago. it stunned me when i heard it from the cardinal. my question. explain to non-catholics watching right now why the church opposes financing paying the insurance costs that covers without copay these methods? >> the church -- back in the '60s they decided artificial contraception was immoral. it should be said that you don't see a lot of catholic families of 11 or 12 anymore. >> the new five in our family is three. >> we have three kids. >> we w

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