. >> incidentally, i have a feeling the soviet union might even have restrained milosevic. one of the consequences of the end of the cold war is a lot of small vicious local totalitarians become more powerful than we thought they would be. >> rose: the soviet union was exercising some kind of positive influence over the client states. >> i still say negative, but it was restraining. >> rose: restraining, okay. >> it was their armor, their pay mast ethe trainer of the secret police. none of these things was positive, but in return tdidn't expect to launch mad adventures to upset international. >> i think he wanted to complete what he thought was the national outline of-- he thought kuwait was a missing province. also gave him control of an enormous amount of oil resources, and he was by then within measurable distance of the weapons. apart from the kurds in iraq, those are the people who saddam did use his weapons of mass destruction on. the persian enemy is the historic one. >> rose: is the guiding principle here for you that's come out of the life you have lived freedom? >