but the have a declaration of war i see this as no different when we went to war against slobodan milosevic remember in the balkans because we should have a record of what allies were afraid of the flow of refugees into their countries and that's really what this is about the fear of tunisians and egyptians and now libyans just flooding into europe which is a serious recession and they just can't handle that refugee overload so we're doing exactly what we did with slobodan milosevic we're now doing demob arkadelphia there you go ok curtis thanks a lot for being with us tonight. i can't believe we're in solidarity. ok. but as the talk again during president obama's first two years in office gun control laws have become weakened one after the other people can now carry guns on some university campuses on public lands and on trains meanwhile last week huge bob became the first state to name an official state and gun arizona is likely to follow suit we are the nation with the most gun deaths in the world including murder suicide and accidental deaths by guns it's time to seriously reconsider ou

because what happened at a time don't forget it at the time the tyrants would be eliminated was milosevic just got us into that but there was an ulterior motive at the time that leads should expect is not present nowadays which was that balkanization of vehicles and that's exactly what happened afterwards the defense of the boston muslims and the kosovar e.d.n. resulted in the breakdown of yugoslavia as a country that balkanization of weapons that this is all this the subsidy bet is not expect that it should not happen in libya but when somebody there a machine is on the ground or air strikes are in place there are also so many ended consequences cut that you can see in a certain sense that the ball the ball of fire is simply that his hands now because he has already promised in a way that we don't know if he has enough military forces for that to give them the mediterranean if he could he could attack not only at the area of expert could he could start terrorist operations or terrorist linked operations in the european mainland in strengths and in italy because the nato planes would basi

milosevic. thank you for having me today. i want to give you a brief overview of this proposal. this morning, i'm going to give you some background to the proposal and discuss service options available, sfmta service preferred routes, and the actions part is currently undertaking, and the next apps as well. as you know, sfmta has always been supportive of this proposal. it has been reflected in various documents in the past, but especially now in the transit effect of this project -- effectiveness project. at this time, unfortunately, we are not able to come up with a near-term proposal because of the current budget situation, adjustments that we are proposing to add back to the service. and the extension would improve service to this sector of the city, based on everything commissioner avalos mentioned earlier. we have considered a couple of options to meet this goal. option a is to extend to the daly city bart station using motor coaches, neither the 14 limited or 14 local. both would provide service seven days a week with hybrid coaches which are cleaner and quieter. option b

after milosevic was overthrown, they had to think about what are we going to do with the new serviette and there was a lot of internal division about whether they should stay outside of the system and play the role of government watchdog, or to take part in the political process and even in government. they formed a political party but the only won -- they won 1.6% of the vote. groups are thinking about that and there is a discussion of whether or not they should take part in political parties. that is an important lesson to remember. if these groups want to become effective political force, they will have to talk about not only what they are against, but provide positive constructive vision for its future and get into details and vision. maybe that is one area we have been lacking. it is early on. it has been slightly over one month since the revolution happened. civil society can play a very important role in setting the agenda. this is -- up until now, i think one problem we have seen is that these civil society organizations have gotten sucked into this debate about the referendum,

on military targets in iraq in kuwait for his successor president clinton the target was slobodan milosevic today our armed forces joined our nato allies in airstrikes against serbian forces responsible for the brutality in kosovo president george w. bush said it was weapons of mass destruction that threaten the world and invaded iraq in what was supposed to be a quick and limited campaign on the orders coalition forces have begun striking selected targets some military importance undermine saddam hussein's ability to wage war most thought it would end there with president obama running on an anti-war platform he has spent most of his presidency trying to end the wars started by his predecessor until now the u.n. security council passed a strong resolution that demands an end to the violence against such pts. it authorizes the use of force in the timeline of recent history there have been some glaring similarities when it comes to the youth of course are u.s. presidents none have been in response to a military attack or even threat of an attack on u.s. soil none have ever been formally decl

. >> don't forget how long the no-fly zones can go on, look at bosnia, look at milosevic, look at saddam hussein. that's one reason why the obama administration pushed for a stronger resolution which is why we're looking at the no drive zone, why they're bombing tanks and ground troops, americans aren't, but they're going after ground troops as well. >> nato is part of the first half of the two half policy. they're trying to hand off now. the administration is saying we're going to hand this off to nato. how possible is that? america is first among equals, as they say, in nato, so if we step back, who's stepping up? >> let's look at the two parts. to hand off the no-fly zone, it's pretty easy. once you've established it, that's pretty easy to do. there'll be american surveillance planes and american intelligence involved, but it'll be run by a canadian. the second half, the no drive zone, that's actually where the application of military power is going to start pushing, is already pushing against gaddafi and the united states is still in the lead in that. and they haven't quite figured o

defined to ninety five long can beat like a much even game four in the most in the region remember milosevic goes man are in a commanding three zero overall lead in their best of seven series with the railway man. in tennis on drip that could pose the probably the biggest win of korea so file amazingly well it was knocking the fourth round of the sony ericsson open in miami the german ranked twenty third producing some powerful shots early on with the danes i mean for the first south that which saved the match point in style denial was not he would be back and went right down the line and she then went on to win it seven five it was not he raised a game on the second set six three but too many arrows followed allowing pat privileged to control the german one to the side and the match by six games to three setting up a meeting with me and the gang of eight this is andreas third group of final appearance of the season so plenty of reasons to celebrate it a little dance off the words. i think i still didn't believe it really because i'm quite relaxed and i'm not really excited. so i think that'

if you think about what happened in the '90s, you know, it took a while for milosevic to leave, but you could see his days were numbered, even though he wasn't yet out of office. so there's a lot of ways that this could unfold. what is clear is that qaddafi himself is losing ground. he has already lost legitimacy. and the people around him, based on all of the intelligence and all of the outreach that we ourselves are getting from some of those very same people, demonstrate an enormous amount of anxiety. that will play itself out over time. >> can i just make a broader point, bob? we get so focused on these individual countries, i think we have lost sight of the extraordinary story that is going on in the middle east. in the space of about two months, we probably have seen the most widespread, dramatic change in the tectonic plates, if you will, politically in that region since certainly the drive for independence in the '50s, and perhaps since the collapse of the ottoman empire nearly a century ago. in virtually every country of the region, there is turbulence. we are in dark territory

and there are other striking parallels between the conduct of these wars the enemy then slobodan milosevic jobbed the new hitler the enemy of today the eccentric one market and power for forty years now similarly villainize by the us colonel qadhafi these just stepped down from power and leave the goal now and back then getting rid of a leader no longer favored by the west taking sides with questionable opposition in what started as a civil war what we're seeing is a four fledged war including attempting i would only do. the head of state of the targeted country and other leaders of the government that again is you know a page from the yugoslav bloc of twelve years ago. what is the world learned evidently not much the official reason for western involvement a so-called humanitarian mission a term coined and the bombings of nine hundred ninety nine if you go in if you say look at the politics of this it's going to say it's the people say it's me that was . all it was a rationale still relied upon put rightly questioned into no sort of rescue of syria's with all of this isn't. all that is. t

and there are other striking parallels between the conduct of these wars the enemy then slobodan milosevic jobbed the new hitler the enemy up to date the eccentric one marker duffy and power for over forty years now similarly villainize to pry the us colonel qadhafi base just step down from power and leave the goal now and back then getting rid of a leader no longer favored by the west taking sides with questionable opposition in what started as a civil war what we're seeing is of course alleged war including of jumping the gun lead to actual the head of state of the targeted country and other leaders of the government that again as you know a page from the yugoslav book of twelve years ago. what is the world learned only not much the official reason for western involvement and so-called humanitarian mission a term coined and in the bombings of nine hundred ninety nine if you're willing to use a really good theory of this is going to say it's evil. russian else still relied upon but widely questioned. as a great series of surveyors with this is a very. very well here's a serious the engine

former yugoslavia that that is seen today as somewhat of a success because and fact you know i do not milosevic out i when they said it what it took years they said it would take weeks and the bombing ever went on i think seventy eight days and the u.s. nonfederal army you know sort of the the enemy it was undefeated so i guess i'm confused i mean are you saying that now looking back that people in this country actually see that as an effort that was successful but look at the sort of the success of the point of view of the. coach some twenty five million people though period of whether it was seven. stages and that was the new this logo starting in the early voting oh that was the same so no you could both go ok but kurt supported the post and was a little b. without evidence about. so and so forth i won't get into the serials but it won't happen is what has happened because the federation of yugoslavia no i speak of dublin for six countries six cookies though that was the results oh oh oh it's a pension support the insurgency is. we know that because it has been mentioned by us official sourc

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criminal court over this is there a similarity between gadhafi is position now and that of slobodan milosevic in the late ninety's and serbia. i would say that there's definitely been a pattern implemented ever since the one nine hundred ninety s. that any particular government that is being targeted for regime change is being criminalized and demonized in the press we don't really know yet what exactly mr gadhafi has done we have seen that there's all sorts of contradictory reports we have people on c.n.n. and al-jazeera libyans as well as commentators saying one thing and then we have other libyans saying something completely different and even the rebels themselves they're not there's different stories coming out of them so really i would i would regard all the reports coming out of libya with a huge grain of salt modern of what. modern media history since probably doesn't storm in especially bosnia and kosovo has shown us is that. there's a whole dimension to warfare that is being conducted in the media that it's perception management and it's too late if you discover several years down t

yugoslavia the that is seen today as somewhat of a success because in fact you know i didn't knock milosevic out when they said it when it took years they said it would take weeks and the bombing ever went on i think seventy eight days and the yugoslav federal army you know sort of the the enemy it was undefeated so i guess i'm confused i mean are you saying that that looking back that people in this country actually see that as an effort that was successful well look at the sort of the successor of the point of view of the. coterie of some twenty five million people period of whether it was seven. as it was the new first lot of years starting in that early ninety's that was the same scenario with balls. of covert support of the bosnian muslim without it is about. it's also false i won't get into the details of what happens what has happened course the federation of yugoslavia no i speak of the up into six countries six countries though that was the results of the support the insurgency is. we know all that because it has been mentioned by u.s. official sources that they were also like to se

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you know a couple similarities there we've got stubborn leader both with gadhafi and with slobodan milosevic was with probably had a little more technology to work with i'm wondering if you're hearing some of these connections being made and what you're hearing. christine you know you're absolutely right that is certainly one of the comparisons were hearing and happened hearing throughout this last month of this civil war breaking out in libya certainly a lot of experts have been comparing what's going on now and what's to start happening in the hours to come to the events of one thousand nine hundred nine in yugoslavia and certainly even when the no fly zone in itself just that was being considered by the united states and the rest of the international community a lot of analysts were saying look this is just you know history repeating we have to be really careful here and they were really insisting that just a no fly zone would be a similar situation at. the very end but with these more military measures that the international community has now decided to include when it comes to dealing w

the eastern european colored revolutions, the major youth movement in serbia, and after slobodan milosevicas overthrown, had to think about what we are going to do in the new serbia. whether we stay outside the government watchdogs to actually take part in the political process and maybe even in government they formed a political party but only won 1.6% of the vote in the subsequent election. groups in egypt are thinking about that and there's a discussion about whether or not to take part in political parties. that is an important lesson to remember. if these groups want to become political forces that are effective, not only what they are against but provide positive construction for egypt's future and get into details and vision and that is one area we have been lacking. it is very early on. it has been slightly over a month since the revolution happened. as amira maaty said civil society can play an important role in setting the agenda. up until now i think one problem we have seen is civil society organizations have gotten sucked into this debate about the referendum and now is the nu

we had a no-fly zone and then we had 78 days of bombing in serbia or kuwait did not give milosevic out of office. it did not get him out of kosovo until we put troops on the ground with our allies. so i really want people to understand what we are looking at and i will reiterate what the president has said and what art administration has consistently said. we are considering everything, but we think it is important that the congress and the public understand as much as possible about what that actually means and i can assure you that the president is not going to make any decision without a great deal of careful thought and deliberation. >> i appreciate the thoughtfulness and the caution, i really do and i will reserve my questions obviously. thank you madam chair. >> thank you. mr. schiff. >> thank you for the absolutely extraordinarily job you do. let me just pick up where my colleague left off. i concur completely with the idea that we need to do whatever we need to do with the international community. what has made these revolution so powerful as they have been indigenous. they hav