we are continually signaling our lack of seriousness to the sudanese regime just as we did with milosevic in bosnia. and the consequences of that are here to be seen in abyei. that takes me to having a look at some -- that's a village in darfur. um, after it's been bombed, after the waves of arab nomads have invaded. you might ask -- and, now, i said since 2003 this has been happening. 90% of the black african villages have been destroyed. they are also being repopulated by arab nomadic people from chad and as far we as niger. so telling the people of darfur to go home is problematic in all kinds of ways. you may ask yourselves why there hasn't been more of an international reaction. the united nations, to its credit, has passed lots of good resolutions calling for all kinds of sensible things like going for the money, sanctions, a no-fly zone, other sensible things like tracing all the sort of murky business and charity connections that the architects of this genocide in khartoum have. and also really good personal stuff. treating them, actually, like far cocriminals -- narco criminals,

who, on behalf of director milosevic, will give a report? >> maria lombardo. you have the executive reporters report -- directors report on your desk. earlier this month, the draft proposal was released to be one bay area grant program. this was the server -- first significant item to come out of the process. it has to do with the programming of the federal servants transportation and air mitigation funds, which make up the bulk of the funds. what is unique about this is that for the first time the region is attempting to tie the allocation of transportation investment funds to land use decisions, particularly, to the provision of housing. there is a proposal that would destroy did the funds to the nine bay area counties that takes into account past and future production of housing as well as a modicum of population formulas. we think this is the right direction to go. we have concerns, and of course, the devil is in the details. we will be working closely with commissioners on this. it looks like the region will not adopt the program until the end of the cale

we allowed things like the rwandan genocide and milosevic's campaigns of killing in the former yugoslavia to go on with out assistance when people were begging for help. western countries were too heavily interventionist often for the wrong reasons. there is a danger of tipping back the other way as well. i do not think these things will go well or easy or need or pretty -- need to or pretty. i do think this is a case where this would be a humanitarian catastrophe if people had not done something. having been on the ground and listen to libyans and knowing that, we have to be cautious and not get stuck. tavis: since your here and you're the guy that runs "the globe and mail", what role have our neighbors' canada played in this process? >> this is a case where canada. -- canada is militarily involved. it is stuck there. stayed out of iraq and was involved in the bosnia and cause of a conflict. it is a small military but it is controversial in canada. anything that involves the military is never treated as a cause for enthusiasm. it is a debate. tavis: their justification for going into the

on the cover to do so not as an enlargement to judea milosevic being the only relationship you have so your interest in our three toys our costs are all exchanges that we have more than one thousand kilometers of boundaries common borders that if you walk. after them and there is a regular exchange of visit between officers from both on i wish it would i think i don't think there is a problem between iran and iraq. next i just like to talk about tonight's the nucleus objects you're always having to answer about it i don't i'd like to ask you again if i may only recently iran announced that you've stepped up production of new centrifuges faster better sense of you just to make better higher quality uranium the question mark is why i know you said all the world long line of rand does not want nuclear weapons ran as a peaceful country but of course a lot of people in the west don't believe that they do feel that there's not enough transparency do you think this country you should be doing more to make it more transparent. well have you couldn't you really think the people in the west are

i move over to the knowledge with the journey of milosevic below me relationally would have said if you are in with you know after a. quarter of exchanges and we have more than one thousand kilometers our boundaries common borders if you look. after and there is a regular exchange of visits between i think shows from both sides i think i don't think there is a problem between you and your work. next up is going to talk about tonight's the nucleus subjects you're always having to answer about it i don't i'd like to ask you again if i may only recently iran announced that you've stepped up production of new centrifuges faster better sense of you used to make better higher quality raney and the question mark is why i know you said all the world on the line of iran does not want nuclear weapons around is a peaceful country but of course a lot of people in the west don't believe that they do feel that there's not enough transparency do you think this country you should be doing more to make it more transparent what have you caught in the. real thing that people in the west are concerned abou

so yugoslavia was part of serbia and milosevic cracked down very heavily in response, they took over and the kosovo albanians built this remarkable parallel society of schools, colleges, hospitals and very pleuralisic and was named the mother teresa association worked together with christians and defied milosevic for a better part of a decade. unfortunately, the west ignored him. also, unfortunately, he did not achieve the full potential of what such a campaign should have, been able to achieve. was too passive. was not active enough in referring out and trying to convince his opponents and in the end it became stasis. and as a result a guerrilla movement went up and nato intervened and partly because of hindu is semi independent. it's recognized by a number of employees but still i think it is a remarkable movement. it was needed at the time and it's spared kosovo the scale of bloodshed at least that other countries in the balkans such as bosnia here the figures were as bad as they were but in the low thousands rather than the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands. and even his

milosevic and other dictators. there's something psychologically wrong with these individuals. even though they are involved in a state, they convey a cult legitimacy that is undeserving. throughout history, dictators have committed huge and terrific of atrocities. they are going on right now. we invited the state department and u.s. a id. we stand ready to reconvene at the drop of a hat. mr. payne and i will get back in here from our own and ministration. that said . >> let me thank you again for your many years of passionate support. it is good to have a newcomer to bring into the team, ms. berle. berkle. the only thing we agreed on in congress was sudan. tom tancredo went with me to south sudan. we stayed in tents and with samaritans and i tell them that's what a joke. he did not know since he was never. he found out later that this was different. he and senator brown back were were very supportive. senator frist and now senator cohen has expressed strong interest rate will continue to push. there is no respect from the government of khartoum even when president carter was v

charles taylor, milosevic, saddam hussein, all were tried for the genocide of their own people. this corruption trial, and there are allegations about the abuse of protesters, has to be gotten through, gotten through quickly, but it needs to -- the egyptian people, frankly for their own sake and the sake of the country, need to look forward. and they have a very proud history, and so humiliating mu h mubarak won't serve much in terms of their future. >> fran townsend, we'll talk to you ahead later. >>> the dow breaks its losing streak, but just barely, and some say it's proof the recovery could stall into a recession. >>> and the syrian regime brutally cracks down on on government protesters and the united nations security council finally speaks up. that's next. excuse me? my grandfather was born in this village. [ automated voice speaks foreign language ] [ male announcer ] in here, everyone speaks the same language. ♪ in here, forklifts drive themselves. no, he doesn't have it. yeah, we'll look on that. [ male announcer ] in here, friends leave you messages written in the air.

of course we had milosevic. of course we hate karadzic," and so on. so i became interested in that as a symbol. and then i discovered that nicolae ceausescu's shoes and socks and ties and shirts were being auctioned off to international capitalists, entrepreneurs. and i thought this would be an interesting metaphor for the way globalization is supplanting isolationist belief systems. c-span: do you remember what year he was killed, assassinated? >> guest: in '89, i think? c-span: right after the wall came down. >> guest: yeah. c-span: who's rou-rou? >> guest: rou-rou was this very mysterious european businessman -- may not be his real name. he was -- he was enchanting. he enchanted everybody. some -- yeah, and all the talk at these auctions wouldn't be about ceausescu, they'd all be about mr. rou-rou, who was this tiny man in a fur -- silver fur coat. and the first thing he said to me was, "give me a hug!" and he just embraced me and said, "you are very handsome and wise," and then waited for me to respond. so i said, "you're handsome and wise, too."

there were nine members of congress and three russians and a personal representative of slobodan milosevic we were sitting in a hotel room in vienna, austria in 1999. during the kosovo conflict, jesse jackson was in belgrade. i remember secretary of state was aghast when there is a photograph of jesse jackson standing in a circle holding hands with slobodan milosevic in prayer. we were there developing a framework agreement, which the g8 about a week later adapted to end the kosovo conflict. the senior russian air was vladimir lukin, the ambassador here at the end of bush and beginning of clinton. he was at bat time he was a chair at their international relations committee equipment to the international relations committee and the russian duma. he was very angry. he sat in a hotel room. a little short father with his arms folded over his chest looking at the ceiling for two days. and he said, you spit on us. no way should we help you? the only time she could have zero confidence of yugoslavia with russia. and what we had told them was the soviet union had collapsed and were the big guys no

in 2001, the leader slobodan milosevic appeared on charges of genocide.ded in 2006 when he died in his cell. in a trial ongoing, taylor committed war crams and saddam hussein was found guilty of crimes against humanity and sentenced to death by hanging. saddam hussein faced justice behind a protective cage. the next round of a debt battle here, lawmakers have to decide what to cut and guess what. washington lobbyists are preparing to help them decide. plus, the u.s. air force stops a training class for nuclear missile operators. the reasons? religious reasons. now you can turn a late loved one's ashes into bullets. jeannie moos will have that story. price-line ne-go-ti-a-tor. so, you've been double crossed by other travel sites and now you want to try the real deal. yes, is it true that name your own price... ...got even easier? affirmative. we'll show you other people's winning hotel bids. so i'll know how much to bid... ...and save up to 60% i'm in i know the lady in leather travels on three wheels. wait, is that code? that's my secret weapon... ...naom

they are not saying he should be arrested like slobodan milosevic, for example, and brought to the criminald changed with crimes against humanity. they are not going that far, are they? >> not that far, but on the crimes against humanity, you have the criminal court looking at possible violations. i wouldn't say that's out of the picture, but at this moment, the biggest thing they did was step down. those were the magic words they haven't said. they said with other countries. that's the significance of what happened today. there will be more. you can be sure of that. >> we will see what happens. jill, thanks very much. let's dig deeper with analyst rick gergen. he has a new issue out on the news stands right now a new issue with the headline on the front cover. the new greatest generation that is really an excellent article. also joining us, you have been to syria not that long ago do you think this will make any difference >> i don't think it will let to him stepping down. it's an international growing chorus of condemn nation. they are continuing to isolate and importantly if europe follo

is unknown whether libya will set up its own tribunal or gadhafi will be sent to the hague like milosevicles taylor though it's quite slow there. ban ki-moon in effect warning or reminding u.n. member countries of their obligations to live up to this international criminal court treaty system where he can't be allowed to really stay in a country if they're a party to this international criminal court system. gadhafi could be seeking refuge elsewhere. brooke? >> we heard and i took note of the president speaking earlier mentioning the u.n., the next general assembly asking next month's meeting support the specific transition and when it comes to this transition because there are a lot of variables still, how can the united nations help moving forward? >> the u.n. may not be very good at preventing conflict but it does seem to specialize in post conflict discussions, improvements getting a country back on its feet from east timor to sierra leone, liberia, puts personnel in to talk about dearming, demobilizing conflicts, post conflict they're anticipating what occurred in tripoli overnight a

think that we are nine members of congress and three russians and a personal representative slobodan milosevic, we were sitting in a hotel room in vienna austria in 99. from the kosovo conflict just as jackson was in belgrade the secretary of state was aghast when there was a photograph of jesse jackson standing in a circle holding hands with slobodan milosevic in prayer. we were there developing a framework agreement, which the g8 of the week later to end the kosovo conflict. the senior russian there was vladimir who was the ambassador here at the end of bush and the beginning of clinton, the end of boesh i and beginning of clinton, and he was at that time the chair of the international relations committee, and she was very angry. he sat with his arms folded over looking at the ceiling for today's, and he said you spit on us, now why should we help you? the only country that had the real confidence of yugoslavia was russia, and what we told them was the soviet union had collapsed and the big guys will take care of this now, thank you. and that was his reference to use it on us now why should