his favorite line was a line of milton's, which was by the known rules of ancient liberty. in other words, there's a human instinct for freedom. and he writes about the protestant centuries, and i think in -- back to 1984 again -- the struggle against the alien language is being imposed on people, the news speak, and his struggle to find out what is in the secret book. so it's a struggle to have the bible translated into english. the english revolution is important to him. >> guest: there's an essay called the prevention of literature, which is about the effect of not just totalitarian countries about the internal sensorship that came with the totalitarianism of british people. books like some wild animals can't breedn captivity. it kills the imagination. and that essay begins with a scene from the gathering of a writers organization, an unusual case in which he actually places himself at some sort of public meeting as a jumping off point for the essay. and at that at this meeting no s able to defend free expression. they're defending the right of the soviet union to do thi

as far as milton friedman yes milton friedman deserves his do and was in so many ways the father of this revolution and you just go back and read carefully the one book from 1962 capitalism and freedom it is a very slim book but the basic arguments made ever since about the free-market, the basic arguments made a person about the free trade, about who owns the corporation, they are all in their, and they are actually not arguments, the largest series of assertions. in terms of how was it achieved, how were the arguments pushed on to us, it is really complicated question because you also have the fact that you had a revolution in thinking in the democratic party i mention the fact the consumer movement ended up working as an ego chamber for a lot of what was being done. the consumer movement was essentially a throwback to the classical progressive era and in many ways there were mellon to become any elements that were not interested in the distribution of power. in fact the consumer concept how do you create a consumer movement that goes back to wittman at least 1914 he writes about it. s

and it shows in his attachment to milton, the bard, his favorite line, was a line of milton's, by the known rules of ancient liberty, there is a human instinct for freedom, and he writes about the protestant sent tris, contributing to the enlightenment, and i think in 19 -- back to 1984, the struggle against the languages being imposed upon people, that of news speak, and the struggle to find out what is in the secret book, only the party has, is a very good analogy to the struggle of whitcliff and coverdale and to have the bible translated into english, for which they were all martyred. >> there is an es say, the prevention of literature which was about the effect of not just totalitarian countries, but, the internal censorship that came with the totalitarianization of british intellects choose and that -- the effect on literature and books, he says, books likes some wild animals cannot breed in captivity. it kills the imagination and that essay begins with a sort of a scene from a gathering of pen, the writer's organization that orwell attend. an unusual case in which he actually pl

as far as milton friedman, yes he deserves his do. in so many ways, he was the father of this revolution. if you go back and read carefully the one book from 1962, it is a very slim book but the basic argument has been made ever since about free-market and free trade trade, who owns the corporation, they are in there. they're actually not arguments but series of assertions. in terms of how was achieved and how were those arguments pushed on to us? it is a complicated question. you have the fact you have a revolution in of thinking in the democratic party. the consumer movement worked as an echo chamber for what was being done. it was essentially a throwback to the classical progressive era and there were many elements in the consumer movement that brought distribution of power. how you create a consumer movement going back at least through 1914? so this is a concept that came at of an era in the united states that was very corporate is that people believed in top-down control so basically you had an alliance between what you could cal

[applause] i think the american people still understand what milton friedman said when he said take anye alphabet, put them in any order you want, you will have an acronym designating a federal agency we could do without. i think the american people understand what robert frost meant when he said "i do not want to live in a homogenized society. i want the cream to rise." ronald reagan said ago i do not want to go back to the past, i want to go back to the past way of facing a future." ladies and gentlemen, in this room packed full of potential, our government rests on the fact that opinion is shiftable sen. in this room are what we call a shovel ready group. so go out and shift some sand. thank you very much. c-span3 c-span[captioning perfoy national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2010] >> this weekend on c-span, first lady michelle obama on preventing childhood obesity and secretary arne duncan on education policy. this is coverage of the winter meeting of the national governors meeting live throughout theÑi weekend on c- span. >> "washington j

and it shows in his attachment to milton.is favorite line was a line of milton which is there's a human instinct for freedom and he writes about a protestant sentries as he puts it in a positive way to trumpeting to the european enlightenment, and i think in 1984 and again the struggle against the language that's been imposed upon people and the struggle to find out what is in the secret book under the party had there's a very good in our chief -- good analogy to have it translated into english and english revolution was important to him. >> guest: there is an essay called privilege of literature which is about the effect of not just totalitarian countries but the internal censorship that came with the totalitarian as asian of the british intellectuals and that essay begins the effect on literature, the effect on books she says books like some wild animals can't breed in captivity. it kills the imagination and that begins with a sort of scene from a gathering of ten, the writer's organization that were well attended. it's an

and it shows in the his attachment for milton. his favorite line was a line of milton.ere's a human instinct for freedom. he writes about -- and i think in the enlightenment in "1984" the struggle against an alien language that's being imposed and the struggle to find out what is in the secret book that only the party had was a very good analogy to the struggle of withand coverdale and to have the bible translated into english. the english revolution was important. there's a prevention of literature which was about the effect of not just totalitarian countries, but the internal sensorship that came with the totalitarianization of british intellectuals. the essays begins the effect on literature. books like some wild animals can't breed in captivity. it kills the imagination. that essays beginning with sort of a scene from a gathering of penn, the writers organization that orwell attended. it's an unusual case in which he actually places himself at some sort of public meeting as jumping off point for the essay. at this pen meeting, no one is able to stand up and defend f

. >> host: adams this important new compared to john maynard keynes, milton friedman. >> guest: well, they stand at the shoulders without trying it. they are hayek and friedman more than keynes, but i'm sure came with himself is in the same tradition. >> guest: i mean, one difference between smith and the others is that none of the others that you mentioned fall themselves as a moral philosopher as well as an economist. this sometimes a very interesting things to say about morality and about moral philosophy in certain ways. but smith's views i think it's a great the study of human nature from a philosophical point of view with a study of human nature in a more empirical way, more than the others do. let me just say a word about that if i may. which also pertains to this question of how you read the wealth of nations and "the theory of moral sentiments" together. there's one thing that we haven't mentioned that i think we might want to adhere. and that is in the "the theory of moral sentiments," he makes clear that in order to understand other human beings properly, to sympathize with

. >> host: when you compare him to people like john maynard canes, milton friedman? >> guest: the stand out as shoulders of the giant. they are all by adam smith. hi yet and friedman more than came spline sure that he would see himself as in the same tradition to get >> host: go ahead, professor. >> guest: one week to the good difference is one never saw themselves as a moral philosopher as well as an economist. they sometimes interesting things to say about morality and philosophy in certain ways. but smith's views i think integrate the study of human nature from a philosophical point of view of the study of human nature in a more empirical way more than the others do. let me just say a word about that if i might which also pertains to the question how you read the wealth of nations and the fury of moral sentiments together. there's one thing we haven't mentioned we might want to add and that is and the theory of moral sentiments smith makes clear that in order to understand the other human beings properly to supplies with them as he says we need to imagine ourselve

>> there is a great deal of scholarship that goes back to milton friedman's basic observation about temporary tax cuts that do not really have an effect because people know that there will have to pay for them in the future with higher taxes. so they're sort of skeptical about that. if you take a dollar from them next year and you give it to them this year, they do not feel better off. if they think they're better off, they will regret it next year when they get the tax. if you look at the numbers of future taxes associated with things like the stimulus, they are really mind-boggling. if we divide the stimulus among all taxpayers, then the cost of the stimulus last year is about $8,000 per taxpayer. but about half the taxpayers do not pay taxes. but if you are someone who does pay taxes, if you have a positive number on your tax return when you mail it to the irs, your number is about to be double that. if we raise the money for the stimulus, aboard -- according to the distribution of the income tax that we now observe, for people within, of two hundred thousand dollars or $500,000 range wher

. >> host: adams this important new compared to john maynard keynes, milton friedman. >> guest: well, they stand at the shoulders without trying it. they are hayek and friedman more than keynes, but i'm sure came with himself is in the same tradition. >> guest: i mean, one difference between smith and the others is that none of the others that you mentioned fall themselves as a moral philosopher as well as an economist. this sometimes a very interesting things to say about morality and about moral philosophy in certain ways. but smith's views i think it's a great the study of human nature from a philosophical point of view with a study of human nature in a more empirical way, more than the others do. let me just say a word about that if i may. which also pertains to this question of how you read the wealth of nations and "the theory of moral sentiments" together. there's one thing that we haven't mentioned that i think we might want to adhere. and that is in the "the theory of moral sentiments," he makes clear that in order to understand other human beings properly, to sympathize with

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[applause] i think the american people still understand what milton friedman said when he said take anyree letters from the alphabet, put them in any order you want, you will have an acronym designating a federal agency we could do without. i think the american people understand what robert frost meant when he said "i do not want to live in a homogenized society. i want the cream to rise." ronald reagan said ago i do not want to go back to the past, i want to go back to the past way of facing a future." ladies and gentlemen, in this room packed full of potential, our government rests on the fact that opinion is shiftable sen. in this room are what we call a shovel ready group. so go out and shift some sand. thank you very much. [applause] [applause] >> thank you, mr. will. thank you for your insights and for allowing us to know that you, too, are a country music fan. we appreciate that. i think there is another great countries on that weekend -- we conservatives should dish out to our liberal friends as they are trying to increase our taxes and increase federal spending. it is a great s

want to thrive in a profit lost system have to make customers happy but as smith would remind is milton friedman often reminded it's a profit in the loss system so businesses that don't do well serving the consumer or make bad investments have to take losses. if we don't put businesses take losses we don't get capitalism we get crony capitalism and that is the road to a very unhealthy world. >> host: that will have to be the last word. we are out of time. russell roberts of george mason university, one of his many websites is econtalk if you would like to communicate directly. samuel fleischacker, also the president of the international adam smith society in chicago. adam smith society .net. a gentleman comes before both very much for being on book tv in prime time. >> guest: my pleasure. >> guest: thank you very much. >> host: we have two more hours of programming coming up tonight, and every night this week we are going to have one of life hour from eight to 9 p.m. eastern. we have to couple of books out of influence the american political system. tonight we looked at the wealth of na

[applause] i think the american people still understand what milton friedman said when he said take anyronym designating a federal agency we could do without. i think the american people understand what robert frost meant when he said "i do not want to live in a homogenized society. i want the cream to rise." ronald reagan said ago i do not want to go back to the past, i want to go back to the past way of facing a future." ladies and gentlemen, in this room packed full of potential, our government rests on the fact that opinion is shiftable sen. in this room are what we call a shovel ready group. so go out and shift some sand. thank you very much. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2010] >> next, a speech from liz ch eney. following her remarks, dick cheney speaks for a few minutes. much. it is such an honor to be regarded as an honor to be introduced by dave keene who has done so much for this country and this movement. thank you very much, dave. [applause] thank you to all of you. what a fabulous time to be a conservative. [applause] it has always, in my fam

it is a milton madison bridge replacement in milton, kentucky, to madison, indiana, asked for by the kentucky transportation cabinet. total cost of $131 million. tiger funding, $20 million. a vital link, i'm told, between two towns. if the bridge it taken out of service, the resulting detours will create hardships for residents on both sides of the river. there's also another project under this recovery and reinvestment, which i know you voted against, but it's the appalachian regional short-line rail project, location, kentucky, west virginia and tennessee. and the tiger funding there is some $17 million. the fact is that many people believe these will create jobs in kentucky, put people to work. they've been spoken for and obligated. and if that money was taken out of the stimulus package, it may affect that project or some other project. but the fact is, the money is just not sitting in the stimulus fund waiting to gather dust or interest. it is money that has been spoken for to put people to work in kentucky and illinois and all across america. the fact is, the senator from tenne

government gives you get big enough offer you will buy a car this summer where the then next, but milton friedman, often you were moving around purchases he planned to make any way and you also by the way, sometimes don't purchase of all because you think we'll mac that that looks big overtime in the government will have so much debt in my lifetime, maybe i will be a lot more cautious than i might it then five years ago so all of these are factors. us the good evening to you also. as the mentioned at the top this is a call-in program and we want to hear from our viewers. (202)737-0001. here in the mountain and pacific times sounds 202-73-7002. you can also ascendancy tweet at twitter.com/booktv or an e-mail at booktv at c-span.org. let me tell you a little bit more about our guests before we get to your calls. for speier going to start with dean baker, the co-director of the center for economic policy research. he is the author of numerous books including "plunder and blunder" and his most recent is "false profits" recovering from the bubble economy. appeared in several publications incl

actually there's more about social justice and fairness and equality than there is in the riding of milton friedman and you would expect there for -- [applause] -- more input. some of those ideas are in the book and i try to pull them together. >> talk more about these movements, but start by talking about the value of a hamburger. [laughter] one of the way is to start thinking about how markets this price the way we live is to look at food, and i spend a lot of time thinking about it and a hamburger when it becomes rounded in the stores is what, $4 if you buy it at the local burger joint. but researchers a little while ago did work on how much would cost if you fully incorporated the environmental cost and they looked at if this burger was once grown -- grown on pasture and the pastor once upon a time is to be a rainforest then it's possible to impute a dollar value to the stuff you lose by the deforesting and you would lose by diversity and the car been sequestered in the forest, the oxygen, really the range of the ecosystem and services and if he were to impute the dollar value to that

as milton friedman said, quoting the battle for freedom must be one -- "the battle for freedom must beeedom loving young people who are fed up with the left's lobotomy of a generation. we must be that generation that stands before history yelling, hey, jackass, get your government of my freedom. [applause] [applause] it is time to slam educated elbows into the rib cages of our fellow obama zombies. breaking the obama code is going to take a unified effort. but can we weaken our generation of obama zombies, yes, my brothers and sisters, yes, we can. [applause] >> that wraps up our panel. i want to thank you for coming out and saving freedom and i hope this is a testimony to see how many and people are involved. all want to encourage you to find a young person, pat them on the back, thank them for their support and tell them to take this energy back home and fight the battle back home. [inaudible] >> thank you. we have had a great start to the morning. if you are just joining us, you can see this street life that the town hall.com. our next speaker is the dynamic dick armey. he served in

he wrote that that bubble was caused by the monetary authorities and of course, milton and freedman andanna schwartz wrote their book in 1963 on the monetary issue in the united states that discuss this exact thing that why we are in the situation we are, why do we get business cycles? we don't get business cycles because all of a sudden all of the businessmen have decided or businesswomen, keeping in line with the politically correct. they make all of the wrong decisions at all the same time, right? you can see that certain individual businesses may make wrong decisions but why should it be that every now and then, all of a sudden, we produce tomorrow automobiles or houses or too many of such things. why do business cycles go up and down? it can't be that the market is doing this. it must be the government central planner that is doing this. so why housing? housing came about because the government decided that you guys weren't buying enough housing. and we want you to all own your own home. and i was on the plane i was with a guy that was very articulate guy, 28 years old, he is a vic

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host: new jersey, milton, a democrat collar. caller: i want to make three points related to jobs and overseas contracts to build things over there. they call them trade agreements. there was a caller with the gentleman said with all of the trade agreements and companies going overseas to build stuff much cheaper, how in the world can we compete against that? i don't think we can compete against that. we've got a lot of jingles and this country. the new hot word now is dithers, the new hot word was democrat party, a democrat senator, as if we start saying republic senators, republican senators to care more about the republic. we are so connected to jingles and cute little sayings and all the time the country is going to and handbasket. we were paying companies and giving them tax breaks to take jobs overseas and now we wonder why we don't have any jobs. actually doing what we say and say we do, which i think is nearly impossible at this point because the country is so built up on so that the allies. two wars -- another two unfund

some, like milton friedman, have suggested that we could replace federal reserve with a computer thatreserve policy can be subject to certain criticism. i do not hoknow how we would do this. there is disagreement on the way they have handled the recession, and that is fair. host: another tweet -- guest: $3 trillion of the deficit? over the next 10 years, if we expended all the tax cuts, for everyone, that would be about $3 trillion. the deficit is much bigger than that. the base line is $11 trillion. if you got rid of all the tax cuts, we would still have and $8 trillion deficit over the next 10 years. president obama is not talking about doing that. only for those making more than $250,000 a year. that is only 1/5 of the tax cuts. if you want to get rid of "tax cuts for the rich" it is over $16 billion from a deficit of $11 trillion. for those who believe that is good policy, that is a fair argument, but you are not going to balance the budget by raising taxes by $600 billion in order to close and $11 trillion deficit. host: la plata, maryland. caller: it seems this young man that i

written very well about that bubble way cass -- was caused by the monetary authorities and of course miltonn and anna schwartz wrote their famous book 20 years after the great depression or actually longer than that, 1963, on the monetary institute of the united states and they discussed this exact thing. that why we are in the situation we are, why do we get business cycles? we don't get business cycles because all of a sudden all the businessmen have decided -- or business women -- keeping awrong with the politically correct, all the business men and business women make all the wrong decisions at all the same time. right? i mean, you can see that certain individual businesses might make wrong decisions but why should it be that every now and then all of a sudden we produce too many automobiles or we produce too many houses or we produce too many of such things? why do business cycles come up and down? it can't be that the market is doing this, it must look to government, central planner that's doing this. so why housing? housing came about because the government decided that you guys were

milton friedman, a great team of conservative economists at the university of chicago -- the great deanhe university of chicago, wrote an editorial in the 1980's it saying that the deficits were good because it kept liberals from doing their liberal things, forced them into a state of crisis. that is why deficits have a weird of the war -- a weird allure for the right. it is counterintuitive. every time they get in, they run these huge deficits. it makes it impossible for government to do things like have a proper health care program. the disaster, of course, is when you have an economic crisis and the government asked to start spending money -- has to start spending money, but you see what i am getting at. great book, by the way.w3 çi]host: let us take another cl from -- let us take a call from woodbridge. i cannot believe it, it is another george. caller: this is wayne, not george. and i'm a first-time caller. so many times i hear people talk about the state of our situation here. the other caller said we are not dummies. i am watching c-span so i understand what is going on. the sol

some have suggested such as milton friedman once, that we could replace the federal reserve with a computers by a basic formula. perhaps that would be better than the usual way we have done in the past. i think the federal reserve policy, you know, can be subject to certain criticism. i'm not sure how it would work to eliminate the federal reserve, but i think there is legitimate disagreement on the way that they've had with the recession. and i think that disagreement is there. las. . 650 employees at the spa at the cost of $100,000 for three days for each employee. was a cost comparison done to justify such a cost? how was that chosen at the venue? what happened there? >> in that particular case there was a cost comparison and there were quotes from several vendors. one the challenges is finding a venue for that many people. it is the high cost. it is the annual training conference for that group of individuals. but since that conference, we have looked at not only the actual cost but the appearance of cost in making sure that dhs isn't representing itself in a way that we're having event

facilities in the commonwealth of pennsylvania and actually in the entire country, the penn state milton hershey medical center and after meeting with the leaders at the penn state facilities and saw the quality of care that they provide, i said, there's one thing that we're missing. we're missing a cancer research and treatment stoo institute. people -- treatment institute. people that we serve all too often have to go to philadelphia or pittsburgh or baltimore for care. we need to have a facility for literally millions of central pennsylvaniaans and we, penn state, are willing to put up more than our fair share or the majority of the cost but we are about $35 million short of getting there. i went to see jack, i brought him to hershey, he looked around at the quality of care that's provided, made an agreement and said it won't happen in one year or two years but it will happen. we, the federal government, will be a partner and the people of central pennsylvania no longer will have to travel to philadelphia or pitburg or baltimore. and i'm proud to say today that as a result of jack's e

there's a great deal of scholarship in the area fit respect to milton friedman the recent tiberi tax cuts like the ones we observed last year don't have a really big effect is the people know they are going to have to pay with heave become future higher taxes and so they're skeptical about the fact to take a dollar from them this year and give it next year that you're making them better off and indeed like a deck of the are not skeptical and think they are better off they will regret it next year when they get the tax so it's not clear that this is a plan that argues for the policy even if you disagree with it. the fact is though if you look at the numbers of the future taxes associated with things like the stimulus they are mind boggling so for example the stimulus last year up along small taxpayers, the 110 million or so, the cost of just the stimulus, we are not talking the but the deficit, it's about $8,000 a taxpayer, will get less. but remember about half the taxpayers don't pay taxes so that means if you are someone who pays taxes and actually had a positive number on the tax

milton friedman, a great team of conservative economists at the university of chicago -- the great deanists at the university of chicago, wrote an editorial in the 1980's it saying that the deficits were good because it kept liberals from doing their liberal things, forced them into a state of crisis. that is why deficits have a weird of the war -- a weird allure for the right. it is counterintuitive. every time they get in, they run these huge deficits. it makes it impossible for government to do things like have a proper health care program. the disaster, of course, is when you have an economic crisis and the government asked to start spending money -- has to start spending money, but you see what i am getting at. great book, by the way.w3 çi]host: let us take another cl from -- let us take a call from woodbridge. i cannot believe it, it is another george. caller: this is wayne, not george. and i'm a first-time caller. so many times i hear people talk about the state of our situation here. the other caller said we are not dummies. i am watching c-span so i understand what is going on

government gives you get big enough offer you will buy a car this summer where the then next, but milton friedman, often you were moving around purchases he planned to make any way and you also by the way, sometimes don't purchase of all because you think we'll mac that that looks big overtime in the government will have so much debt in my lifetime, maybe i will be a lot more cautious than i might it then five years ago so all of these are factors. us the good evening to you also. as the mentioned at the top this is a call-in program and we want to hear from our viewers. (202)737-0001. here in the mountain and pacific times sounds 202-73-7002. you can also ascendancy tweet at twitter.com/booktv or an e-mail at booktv at c-span.org. let me tell you a little bit more about our guests before we get to your calls. for speier going to start with dean baker, the co-director of the center for economic policy research. he is the author of numerous books including "plunder and blunder" and his most recent is "false profits" recovering from the bubble economy. publications including "the atlantic

you remember milton friedman, the dean at the university of chicago wrote an editorial, back in the '80s, when he said he didn't like the spending that got us into the the deficit. the deficit kept liberal from doing all of their liberal things. it forced them into the state of crisis. that's why deficits hold this weird allure for the right. you think of them as people that are against. every time they get in, they run up the monster deficits. because it defunds government. it makes it impossible for government to have proper health care program, now the disaster, of course, is when you have an economic crisis and the government has to start spending money. guess what you've done. you've already thrown it deep into deficit. you see what we're getting at. >> our producer helped politics. >> guest: yeah, great book. >> host: another caller. another george. this is our george morning. you're on. >> caller: this is wayne, not george. >> host: how about that? >> caller: and i'm a first-time caller. listen, i just want to just some solutions. so many times i hear people talking about the s

>> there is a great deal of scholarship that goes back to milton friedman's basic observation about temporary know that there will have to pay for them in the future with higher taxes. so they're sort of skeptical about that. if you take a dollar from them next year and you give it to them this year, they do not feel better off. if they think they're better off, they will regret it next year when they get the tax. if you look at the numbers of future taxes associated with things like the stimulus, they are really mind-boggling. if we divide the stimulus among all taxpayers, then the cost of the stimulus last year is about $8,000 per taxpayer. but about half the taxpayers do not pay taxes. but if you are someone who does pay taxes, if you have a positive number on your tax return when you mail it to the irs, your number is about to be double that. if we raise the money for the stimulus, aboard -- according to the distribution of the income tax that we now observe, for people within, of two hundred thousand dollars or $500,000 range where small businesses that have more money, their bill for th