(laughs) i tease about how i now learned that schools like milton acamy and harvard the graduates don't die, they just turn into milton. but it was... i had some great teachers who paid attention to me, translated for me and help med crack the code and i learned i could compete. i also learned how, you know, the sense in both... was that each world, both the milton academy world and my world back home on the south side of chicago, each one seemed to require the rejection of the other as the price of admission and how that was a false choice. that i had to figure ou wa i was and be that all the time and then you could be any place. >> rose: and then harvard. >> yeah. >> rose: and then law school. >> with some time in sudan, yes. >> rose: tell me about that. why did you want to go to africa? >> well, i had a... i wasn't quite sure what i wanted to do when i graduated college, which is not unusual. i won a fellowship, sothing called a microrockefeller fellowship which was set up by the son michael, governor rockefeller's son, who had been lost in new guinea and the one requirement is you s