but ever since milton burl decided to put a model in front of a refrigerator and created modern television, it takes the advertiser and the platform to figure out how to use whatever platform you're using. 900 million people, you got a fish there. you just have to figure out how to fish there best. >> daina, i get what you're saying. and have i often questioned the model itself there is a lot of faith that goes on with companies advertising, getting a direct return on its money. but you have to admit, the revenue that existed for television, cable, facebook, isn't a traditional advertising model effective for that reason? >> i think the model is shifting. it's not about region frequency anymore. it's about how do you participate with these new constituents. and really, the onus is on us to make the experience really about a relationship. and it's not that it doesn't work, it's that it's very fundamentally changing from the way it used to be. >> so what is it going to look like in five years? what is the more effective model? >> the more effective model is that we are engaging in relationsh