at that point milton freedman was my focus. i thought what is he doing, what's going on and i was following all these connections. as you know, something happen in 2010 after the midterms here. a radicalized republican party one majorities in both houses of the legislature. all these things i was reading and this is a man who wrote very abstractly but i was trying to understand these and suddenly it became real concrete and really frightening because i was seeing these ideas play out in what i'm sure you all remember and have responded to over the past few years. what i was seeing as it comes from buchanan's thoughts. he always argued it was a mistake to focus on the question of who rules. the real question was the rule and if you didn't like what was going on in the government, in a society, which none of his libertarian and right wing alter free markets didn't like, his focus was you had to look at the role and change the role and breakup collective power, the kind of power you would see labor unions and civil right unions, e

. >> you quote milton freedman in your book, one of the great mistakes is to judge government policies and programs by their intentions rather than the results. >> that's such a good quote. that's exactly how every program should be judged. look at the war on poverty. it hasn't reduce poverty. if we were losing a real war, we would change our tactics. not only did we go with the same tactics that had failed but we put more money into them. this is not a good plan. we have a president who is willing to change that. if we can get some momentum or some energy going i think we can solve a lot of these problems and make a lot of improvements but boy we sure need the senate to get on board. >> what would have been your first action is labor secretary. >> number one i wanted to implement policies that would help create jobs in the inner-city. adding the policies that have been implement it over the past eight years have actually hurt job growth in the inner-city. i want to see those entry-level jobs back in the city. i want to see people get prepared for the jobs that exist so we would have a