. >> well you know milton freeman used to say in wartime you have to give up some of your freedom, but we have been at this for a long time. i mean 9/11 that was 14 years ago. if we have to go another decade at fighting terror does that mean another decade without some of our rights? >> david, i think you hit the nail on the head. we are at war. whether the president realizes it or not, so i'm for this for all the reasons that steve pointed out. >> steve, how long does this go on? again, when we go on another decade in this war against terror does that mean another decade of slow erosion of our freedoms? >> david, this is not an erosion of freedom. what the nsa is doing is not eavesdropping. they're doing data mining to see if the pattern is there. this is something wrong is happening. only and then when they see such a pattern, they have to go through various procedures warrants and the like before they can take further steps. in terms of defending ourselves, government does have the basic fundamental task of defending us. defending the realm. this is a good tool to do it. >> i think