back with me to talk about this, mimi and barbara. i'm trying to get my head around how giuliani and his legal team are crafting or have crafted a defense to something that has not been disclosed and is not out there yet. >> yeah, it's really bizarre. i think that tells you it's really more of a propaganda piece, a pr piece than a legal piece. you can't really reach legal conclusions until you know what the facts are. what robert mueller is doing is collecting the facts. that's what you do when you gather the facts and look at the arguments and then decide whether some law has been broken. without seeing what those facts are it's really impossible. i imagine giuliani and crew can look at what's publicly been reported and try to craft legal arguments around that, but until you know all the facts it's really impossible to respond to it. that's why i think this document is really nonsense and more of a public relations vehicle than any sort of document. >> mimi, as we were talking about in the last block, giuliani is reported not new to

anyway, mimi, let me start with you. define obstruction of justice and is it something that has to be done in secret for it to be a crime? >> sure, chuck. i want to answer the second part first. it does not have to be done in secret. the definition of obstruction of justice, there are different prongs of it, depending on whether you're trying to interfere with witnesses or tamper with evidence. it's basically trying to impede an investigation corruptly, with corrupt intent, which simply could mean you're trying to stop an investigation because you don't like that that investigation is zeroing in on you or your close friends, so it can't be -- it has to be for a bad purpose and those would be bad purposes. and that's why this tweet right now looks so incriminating because what's happening -- >> you believe it's very incriminating? you have said you thought this was obstruction in plain sight? >> i would say it's a good piece of evidence of obstruction in plain sight. and here's why the plain sight part doesn't matter. tak

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m mimi, let me go first to you and tom winter about the importance of this investigation, mimi, the legal significance of it. >> this is a straightforward case that the southern district of new york brings all the time. that's an important point to make. i'm sure there will be some cries from maybe trump on twitter and others that, you know, this is part of some grand witch hunt, and it's not. this is a very classic and strong insider trading case that frankly, once they had this evidence, there's no way they could ignore it. this was a person who had a fiduciary duty to this company, he was on the board, he owned shares, and he used material, nonpublic information to tip off his son and likely, it looks like, others. those are the sort of takeaway, strong points, just from looking at the indictment. >> and tom winter, in looking at the charging documents, what do we know, including the fact that they do seem to have cellphone information that some of these calls took place from the white house, from the south lawn of the white house during the congressional picnic? >> reporter: that's ri

mimi is still with us.don't know if paul manafort is going to take the witness stand in his own defense. although, it is hard to imagine a real defense in this case that doesn't include paul manafort. so what do you think at this stage the jury is seeing in the rick gates testimony? >> well, they're seeing kind of an unattractive character on the one hand, lawrence, an admitted criminal. a guy that got up there and talked about a crime spree that he and paul manafort were involved in by his story. but also admitted, as you said, to all these other crimes, some of this the prosecution said they didn't even know about until mr. gates brought it to his attention as part of his plea agreement where they say you need to confess all your bad acts because it will come out at trial anyway. she thought the jury's body language, they were leaning back in their seats after having been leaning forward as if to express skepticism about gates. that doesn't mean they won't eventually believe what he's saying. i thought he

mimi rocca, so the prosecution had to do two things today, right?y had to use rick gates as their star witness and show -- he's the guy telling them -- connecting all the dots. they also had to hope his credibility withstood cross examination. how has the prosecution done with their goal of keeping rick gates a valuable witness? >> i think they've done as well as the prosecution can do under these circumstances. whenever you have a cooperating witness who has committed crimes himself, admittedly lied to the government and who is there because he's a criminal who participated in crimes with the defendant, it's going to be bumpy. during cross examination many times i literally wanted to crawl under the table until it was over. you're just kind of holding your breath and hoping that you get through it with some bumps and bruises but no major crashes. it looks like so far that's what's happening. what you don't want on cross examination is for something to come out that you didn't know about. i have seen that happen. i have experienced that. so far it h

it is in fact -- >> that's why we have mimi rocca. >> it's generally not done. but he added a political twist here. because he said it's not appropriate for a prosecutor to malign someone who is not before them. this is an effort tonight anti-comey. to not shoot your mouth off and be political but to play this spriktly by the book. that's what the prosecutors were doing there, they were being restrained. >> the president has tweeted. "just landed in virginia. big crowd." you're seeing him walking down now. shelley moore capito. look forward to seeing the big crowd. and hashtag maga. it's going to be an epic night from the president we think. >> absolutely. there's no reason to believe if won't be based on how he's handled rallies in the past and especially considering everything everyone's talking about including on fox news which has a track record of not even address some of these types of -- >> i think they couldn't have avoided this -- like today fox couldn't do one of their oh, look, there is something else, there's a shiny metal object of medium being deni

for more on these ndas, i am joined by legal analyst mimi rocah. and jason johnson politics he had -- editor for the route. anything that governs who is allowed. >> we are talking about the government putting an nda in place with government employees and that is what is so controversial and why sarah sanders claims that every administration has done this can't be right. this isn't really trump a party to that he is ndas, this is the white house. the government. whenever you have government action trying to limit the >> thanks to both of you. for more on these ndas, i am joined by legal analyst mimi rocah. and jason johnson politics he had -- editor for the route. anything that governs who is allowed. >> we are talking about the government putting an nda in place with government employees and that is what is so controversial and why sarah sanders claims that every administration has done this can't be right. this isn't really trump a party to that he is ndas, this is the white house. the government. whenever you have government action trying to limi

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mimi, let's talk about that a little bit. the september 1st dead lune is made up. but if you just dropped in from space and listening to rudy giuliani talk, he says they've built-up an entire counter argument to the investigation. i can't imagine or i guess they'd know more about it than we around this table would. but they can't know much more about it. >> the idea they've already laid out their defense to charges, if you will, that don't already exist is prepostterous. mueller's report is going to be based on evidence and fact. even if it's not going to be in a court, which we don't know that it is, he is going to base it on arguments that can be proven in court. giuliani is countering with made up things. and i think some of the reporting is that his counter report is going to talk about, you know, this evil prosecution team. so that's how a former u.s. attorney is going to counter mueller's importance. he's going to smear the career prosecutors who have been working on this. it's degraceful. >> it's kind of interesting, we do forget that rudy giuliani is a form

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mimi rocah is back with us. former assistant attorney in new york. now at the pace university school of law. bob, i would like to begin with you. you spoke with mayor rudy giuliani earlier today, what is his state of mind and what did he infer of the state of play? >> he's watching the clock, brian, he knows a week ago he and jay sekulow sent a letter to mueller and refusing an interview by the president that had anything to do with questions of obstruction of justice, they're waiting for mueller to respond. they're trying to see if mueller is going to issue a subpoena for the president and preparing for that scenario writing a rebuttal now so it is ready so they can issue immediately to start a court fight and fight at the district court level and ultimately at the supreme court level. >> counselor, where is this leverage coming from that rudy giuliani appears to be when they say things like we'll come down on you like a ton of bricks. where are they getting that? >> he has no leverage and hearing rudy giuliani talk about that to mueller, he reminds

mimi, first to you.ld prosecutors be interested in the president's admitting that he punished a witness in his investigation, the russia investigation, because of the russia investigation? >> absolutely, katy. and there's a couple of points to make here. first of all, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, can be based on retaliation. it's explicit in the statute. i don't want to get too far into the weeds, but i just think it's important for people to know that given the language that trump used when he admitted why he was revoking the security clearance and why he's threatening to revoke it as to other people who have been and could potentially be witnesses. he's talking about it in very retaliatory terms. and so while we traditionally think of witness tampering as someone threatening or trying to stop someone from speaking, that can be done through retaliation, and the statute talks about it. we also should remember that it isn't just about the fbi investigation. as you said in the setup here to t

mimi rocka is back with us. >> bob, i would like to begin with you, you spoke with mayor rudy giuliani earlier today, what is his state of mind and what did he infer of the state of play? >> he's watching the clock, brian, he knows a week ago he and jay sekulow sent a letter to mueller and refusing an interview by the president that had anything to do with questions of obstruction of justice, they're waiting for mueller to respond. they're trying to see if mueller is going to issue a subpoena for the president and preparing for that scenario writing a rebuttal >> bob, i would like to begin with you, you spoke with mayor rudy giuliani earlier today, what is his state of mind and what did he infer of the state of play? >> he's watching the clock, brian, he knows a week ago he and jay sekulow sent a letter to mueller and refusing an interview by the president that had anything to do with questions of obstruction of justice, they're waiting for mueller to respond. they're trying to see if mueller is going to issue a subpoena for the president and preparing for that scenario writing a rebut

be in an interview with the special counsel, which is why his lawyers are so protective of him. >> mimi, what is a perjury trap? >> this is not a perjury trap. a perjury trap is if a prosecutor subpoenas someone to the grand jury to ask questions that they don't need to ask, something extraneous to the facts of the investigation just to get them to lie. that is clearly not what's going on here. mueller has 100 valid reasons to want to talk to trump. what we have here is a perjury risk. it's a great risk. that's because trump isn't capable of telling the truth, and particularly when he knows he is in trouble if he does. so if itt's not a perjury trap, which is a technical term. >> this audio leaked of devin nunes, it's not surprising he is carrying water for the president, but it is surprising he would say on the record out loud, out loud to a number of donors, that it ultimately doesn't matter what mueller comes out with, that sessions won't unrecrews ause and it's j. it's just up to us to protect the president. that's saying if robert mueller comes back and says we found conspiracy, we

. >> and we're joined now by phone by mimi rocca. she's a former federal prosecutor who worked in the southern district of new york, the office that is prosecuting michael cohen. and mimi, as to smoking guns, in the testimony in court today there came a point as is a standard point in these proceedings where the judge wanted to know from the prosecutor if the prosecutor really does have enough evidence to convict michael cohen on all of these counts. and so on the campaign violation counts in which the prosecutor also said these crimes were committed at the direction of the candidate, the prosecutor actually told the judge that this is the evidence that they have. records obtained from an april 9th, 2018 series of search warrants on mr. cohen's premises including hard copy documents, seized electronic devices, and then here is maybe the smoking gun. she said, "and audio recordings made by mr. cohen." so mimi, there the federal prosecutors today in court telling the judge that there are audio recordings made by mr. cohen that prove mr

as mimi correctly points out, the government appears to have a very strong case.will be pressure on collins to plead. and the interesting question that's on the table is what can he offer up to the government? could he, for instance, have interesting information about the president of the united states or was he really just a coffee boy? >> that's a tantalizing thing, and mimi, we don't want to get too far out ahead of it because we don't have reporting that suggests that, but we do know that this office where you worked, this is not your typical office. this is the center of wall street, the center of a lot of terror and national security cases, and the political cases that have come out of this office have been hard charging. former sdny lawyer preet bharara was charging people in the state legislature, we've seen federal cases. is it possible that if we learn anything, how does it work? how do they share that? >> you mean in terms of cooperating him? >> yeah, if he ponies up something they didn't know he knew. >> it's all within the same office. right now the s

mimi? changing of it, but we are bringing them into our party and we are changing the results. when you look at the constituents of my district, they see what congress is doing and the fact they feel we are better off and america is moving in the right direction. your have in the program opponent as well, katie porter, and she is emphasizing her support for senator sanders' me dicare for all program. how is she regarded in your district? it seems like the republicans are targeting, saying she is too liberal. mimi: she is a student of elizabeth warren and very far to the left. she wants government run health care, which will cost us $32 trillion. i do not know how she thinks we are going to pay for it, because that will be on the backs of the hard-working men and women. she is out of step with the constituents in the 40th district. >> one of the things -- 45th district. >> we hear that health care will be a locked issue in this election. is that true in your district? are people can earn abo

so, mimi, i have a couple questions for you. the first is when you see mueller at least ostensibly agreeing to limit the scope of the questions or do some written and not all of them in the room, what does that tell you about? is he operating from a position of strength or a position of weakness, number one? and number two -- you can answer both of these in a row. number two, how good a case can mueller build without an interview if he doesn't get one at all? >> i think that -- first of all, i think we have to take with a grain of salt the reports of what mueller is willing or not willing to do. we are hearing this all -- this is not the mueller team leaking it. this is through trump's team. and they have self-interest here. and, you know, they want the pressure to be on mueller to limit the questions. so i'm not sure i completely buy that, first of all. but if it is true, i think mueller at this point doesn't need trump to come in for an interview in the sense that it sounds like -- this is where i think the tweets are coming f

and nbc legal analyst mimi ro h rocah, former assistant district attorney in the southern district of and global affairs analyst john mclaughlin. john, let me go to you first because you have lived this life. you come from the agency. you know what it means. and you know why former cia directors have security clearances. it's really to help their successors do their jobs. >> it's to help successors do their jobs, and we periodically get called in for advice, not just by the president or the white house, but by people at other levels on specific issues where we have expertise. that's the reason why people keep these clearances. and they are not revoked at whim. there is a process as to when they are to be revoked. there are 13 reasons why you can revoke a clearance and the president has cited none of them in his action on john brennan. >> is one of them erratic behavior or political criticism? >> no. >> and so this becomes what seems like a preemptory decision. he has the legal right, he has the authority. but he is bypassing the due process that is done by the agency, in this case the

mimi roca is back with us, former assistant civil attorney for the southern district of new york. lisa larabek, national politics reporter for the associated press. michael crowley returns as well, national security editor and senior foreign affairs correspondent for politico. lisa, i don't want to put you in a bad spot, because you don't do commentary, you do straight on news. but is there any reason to believe this is anything but political side showing? we emphasize to our audience, we're hearing 50% of the argument on a sit-down with mueller. mueller's side doesn't talk and mueller's side doesn't leak. >> right. lawyers are generally not out debate their client's legal strategy in public which leads one to believe this is not so much a legal strategy as a pr strategy. our reporting has told us that the president's lawyers are not eager for him to testify. but there's also concern from some in the white house that if he appears unwilling to speak to mueller, that could look like he has something to hide. that might not -- that could be politically lethal, in a way. so part of t

mimi is correct, this is a definitely worst situation than just i did crimes with him. because it's i did crimes with him and against him. i think the jury will get over that and will see based on the documents, based on the e-mails, and based on the facts that the person who benefited was not the witness. the person who benefited was paul manafort. so he's the only one who had anything to gain from this. and there's enough evidence of his being very hands on that it will go. the one thing that does concern me is the judge has been more than strict. he's been i think unfair in what he's kept out. you can argue that he's trying to prevent reversible error. but really i think he's hurting the prosecution case because they're not being able to put in all the evidence that would be relevant to the juror's decision in this case. >> evidence like what? >> for example, he's not allowing all the evidence of what paul manafort spent his money on. and where he got the money from. and how he was directly involved. so i think there have been some things and also the judge has been

. >> all right, i want to bring in msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, mimi rocah, and former deputy assistant attorney general, eliot williams, who was in the quote/unquote justice department. here's my first question. when carol says he consulted his attorneys, she does not mean don mcgahn, the white house counsel, the counsel to the president in his official capacity, she means his personal criminal attorneys, rudy giuliani and jay sekulow. that's a little odd, isn't it? >> that's a good point. this is about white house business -- >> affairs of state. >> right. he should be talking about to the white house counsel about it. what's interesting is this is so circular, i think. because the reason that trump now says is that he needs to fire sessions and that some of the republicans who previously would have opposed that are now crumbling is because their relationship is so bad. but why is it so bad? it's so bad because trump has made it bad. the question is, does he want to fire sessions because he wants a new attorney general to come in who then won't be recused, who

welcome by me candelas take the news from behind lead start with good news palestinian protest i head to mimi was finally released after eight months. she was locked up at the age of sixteen for the crime of having a viral video basically she slapped an israeli soldier after the i.d.f. had shot her fifteen year old cousin in the head nearly killing him and apparently the israeli military were jealous of how many hearted logies her video was getting so they arrested her and her mother always good to throw the mother in you know just just in case so i'm pretty sure the israeli military were sitting there at their laptops lug. i don't get it says she didn't even have that many followers i spend all day on the twitter and the book face and i'm interacting and. i do a mix of politics with poppy dog videos to. the algorithm know i am good guy i'm good guys all so soon she is beating the rock star. i don't know why that accent ended up being my grandfather. to go to prison and here's some more hopeful news a massive nationwide prison strike is set to start aug twenty first the prisoners will be dema

mimi, i think this is the first round. it is going to be a ten or 15 round fight.ess it ends with donald trump. how important is this first round. >> in large part because it is the first round. it lays the groundwork for something that you know, i think could bleed into that namely manafort's susceptibility to russia and pressure when he was running the campaign. and also, i think that rightly or wrongly, trump has made, this well wrongly, trump has made this about the prosecution. put the prosecution on trial with the public. so rightly or wrongly, this is going to be viewed as a thumbs up or thumbs down on mueller's investigation. even if it is not about the russian conspiracy. how is he doing. and if a jury, which is a semiofficial basically body gives a thumbs up in a conviction, i think that will at least quiet a little bit of the criticism. and you can be sure if some reason there is an acquittal or hung jury, it will send the witch hunt people into a frenzy. >> if you want to call it a witch hunt, you have to make sure there aren't real convictions. with re

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attorney of the southern district of new york who said the following tonight, mimi rocah. >> rudy giuliani has violated the rules of a professional conduct as a lawyer. >> meanwhile the special counsel appears to be dialing up the pressure on other witnesses in the investigation specifically anyone one tied to roger stone, anyone in his orbit. mueller has a number of stones passed to associates now firmly on his radar tonight. one of them is andrew miller is being held in contempt for refusing to testify before a grand jury hearing evidence into the russia investigation. another roger stone's associate kristen davis did testify today. this was after she voluntarily spoke to investigators last week. randy who has been reported to be the back channel between stone and wikileaks have been subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury on september 7th, randy credico. this investigation will not be over. sam nunberg has already testified and he was on this network today and offered this prediction. >> ultimately mueller wants to indict -- >> let's bring in our lead off panels on a friday night. ou

for more on these ndas, i am joined by legal analyst mimi rocah. and jason johnson politics he had -- editor for the route. anything that governs who is allowed. >> we are talking about the government putting an nda in place with government employees and that is what is so controversial and why sarah sanders claims that every administration has done this can't be right. this isn't really trump a party to that he is ndas, this is the white house. the government. whenever you have government action trying to limit the speech of public employees and even private employees, there is a first amendment analysis here. and a lot of people are saying these are likely unenforceable. the move to sue, to enforce this nda, i can't believe they are going to be able to win that claim. so must be some other reason to file this. >> get inside omarosa's head, she has been dripping little bits of evidence out there. successfully now, three times in a row said something in her book that has been countered out there and then has recordings. she knows the trump campaign

look, whether a president can be indicted as mimi said is untested.ecause you have these allies, these dead-earnnders ine congress who will defend him because of the cost. is that because they're bad people? we can have that discussion later. but if it's you don't defend president trump, your career is over. see mark sanford. >> congressman, jim hines, democrat of new jersey. thank you. glenn kirschner, thank you as well. >>> he was elected twice, it seems tim pawlenty no longer has a place in president trump's republican party. keep it on "morning joe." they're handing us more than mail they're handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you ♪ jimmy's gotten used to his whole yup, he's gone noseblind. odors. he thinks it smells fine, but his mom smells this... luckily for all your hard-to-wash fabrics... ...there's febreze fabric refresher. febreze doesn't just mask, it eliminates odors

and mimi rocca, an msnbc contributor. jill, i want to go on this issue with the white house counsel. we're seeing that the president is getting rid of his white house counsel at a time when the white house counsel's office is already dramatically understaffed, especially when you consider they are now consciously wrapping up for an impeachment battle. how does this compare to the way president nixon was represented both in the white house counsel's office at the time of your investigation and with private attorneys? >> he had very good private attorneys, and he had a full staff in the white house counsel's office. he fired john dean after the investigation was well under way in the house. but before the watergate prosecutor was appointed. so he got fired in april, john dean. and then cox was appointed in may. but he replaced the person, and there was a full staff. and so there was no problem with that. but his timing here seems to be something that mcgahn maybe is thinking was a setup that some of his enemies, his mcgahn'

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mimi is back with us. welcome to both of you.he mean when he said the president has constitutional defenses against the mueller investigation but not against the southern district of new york? >> well, i think you have put me in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with allen on something. so i think the point he was trying to make is that the president could order rod rosenstein essentially to fire rob mueller at any point. of course rosenstein could refuse to do that and there are certain -- there are, you know, limits to -- there are issues relates to the president's executive authority that that could hinder the mueller investigation in a way that the southern district of new york may not be affected by. for example, if bob mueller was fired, his work would potentially continue, but you can't really end the investigations that are being carried out by prosecutors in the southern district of new york by firing one person. i mean, this is something that's out of the president's control, really. and i think that's why he's so

listen to what mimi rocah said. "i suppose it could attract some attention, american bar association type stuff." does the base need that much bolstering that these guys have to dog and pony it across xm radio? >> brian, it's very much a part of the pr strategy that the president himself has led and set the tone for, and it just shows frankly how far rudy giuliani has come from when he first started on the legal team and famously was sort of chastised by donald trump for not having his facts straight on the stormy daniels payment, the $130,000 hush payment to stormy daniels. now you see him very much channeling the president, talking about a witch hunt, suggesting that there needs to be an investigation of mueller's team, and we do see that strategy having some effect. if you look at the polls. it's not just the base, it is numbers rising of folks who are skeptical of robert mueller and therefore might be less inclined to accept the results of his investigation. that i think rather -- although it may be partly what

but one of our on air experts attorney mimi rocah, former federal prosecutor, former assist isn't u.srk, saw more than just a request to bring in a birthday cake. as she told john heilemann on the air here this week, a cake request is good for the government. >> it's a good sign for the prosecution. if i were a prosecutor in that case, i would be happy that they asked for a birthday cake for one of the jurors. >> you think they're going to share some of the cake? >> yeah ask, like birthday cake. a happy jury is a good jury for the government. here's why. you need to acquit and 12 jurors have to agree on acquittal. to convict you need 12 jurors tore agree toe convict. on this case, unlikely you get 12 to acquit. it's a strong case. you worry about one or two lone wolf jurors who doesn't want to go along with the program and you get a hung jury. if you have a jury celebrating each other's birthdays, talking about personal stuff, they're bonding, that's a good thing going into deliberations when that time comes. >> former federal prosecutor mimi rocah who says a happy jury, a cake fed ju

and with me here at the table mimi rocca, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. and flugdrank figliuzzi, former assistant director for counter intelligence. frank, i want to start with you and i want to get a scene center. the president is pushing out don mcgahn who just sat for 30 hours of testimony with robert mueller. don mcgahn, who was in the room or at least aware of all of these things regarding the firing of james comey, of mike flynn, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. don mcgahn, who was with him since june 2015, and the president says, no, i'm not worried. >> yeah, sounds good except it can't be true. you don't spend 30 hours being interviewed by the special counsel's office to simply shoot the breeze. this was the inside guy. this was the guy that tried to talk the president out of doing really stupid, possibly illegal things. what this provides to mueller is intention, intent to obstruct, why was it that he wanted the a.g. to recuse himself from the investigation? what was he thinking when he fired jim co

assist enattorney for the southern district of new york, mimi rocca. julia, first to you.now the judge has been talking to the court and he mentioned something about receiving threats. a u.s. marshal is taking him to and from the courthouse? >> that's right. we are waiting for a verdict. we did just get a little insight into the stakes for everyone involved in this trial. we saw a u.s. marshal with his jacket on go into the courtroom today. wasn't sure why he was there. we got some clarity on that where the judge said he is not going to unseal the names of these jurors because he, himself, has had security threats. that's why he has that u.s. marshal there for his own security. he said he was surprised by the public response to this. he didn't have any idea just how big this case would become. and so he wants to be able to protect the jurors by not unsealing their names. a coalition of media organizations had pressed for their names. he has decided not to unseal that. he also isn't going to unseal conversations he's had at the bench with the parties in which they have talk

. >> that last bit was too much for mimi rocha, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york who said the following tonight on this network. >> i think giuliani has been skirting the line and you know in my opinion has now gone over the line of violating the rules of professional conduct as layer. >> meanwhile, the special counsel appears to be dialing up the pressure on other witnesses in this investigation, specifically anyone tied to roger stone, anyone in his orbit. mueller has a number of stones past associates now firmly on his radar tonight. tonight one of them andrew miller is being held in content for refusing to testify before a grand jury hearing evidence into the russia investigation. another roger stone associate kristin davis, did testify in front of the grand jury just today after she voluntarily spoke to investigators is last week. and randy creditdy cowho has been reported to be the back channel between stone and wikileaks founder julian assange has been subpoenaed to praesh before the grand jirl september 7th. t

mimi, why don't you come up. then we'll take one more question after mimi because we have some closing business. >> i just have to say apropos of what don just said, that's true, historically, on who did the main organizing but it was really the yippies who spoke to so many of us who were kind of more countercultural and trying new things and so on. the national mobilization i would not take away from its importance but it didn't have the heart and the soul of what was happening with all of us who were young. at that time. >> thank you. anyone else? so, what we're going to do, we're going to stay. i want you to make sure the panelists who have books will be available for signing. bethany will have her cds. we'll probably have other stuff. we want to -- we have some closing business. again, our next panel that don will be at and others will be at is august 8th. please come. bethany, can we get you back, wherever you are? and patrick. >> thanks. >> all right, thank you. [ applause ] >>> these programs are from our

going to candela take the news from behind lead start with good news palestinian protest i head to mimi was finally released after eight months. she was locked up at the age of sixteen for the crime of having a viral video basically she slapped an israeli soldier after the i.d.f. had shot her fifteen year old cousin in the head nearly killing him and apparently the israeli military were jealous of how many heart of logies her video was getting so they arrested her and her mother always good to throw the mother in you know just just in case so i'm pretty sure the israeli military were sitting there at their laptop slug i don't get it sushi didn't even have that many followers i spend all day on the twitter and the book face and i'm interacting and i'm like. i do a mix of politics with poppy dog videos to tell.