let's say case charged, go down and the prison commitments per conviction, actually begin to today mininitial and the crime served per conviction goes down. so, while crime is going up, imeld respect the system to respond to that by arresting more people, and giving them longer sentences, the opposite is happening, the system is caving. it's collapsing. it can't handle the sudden and massive increase in crime. the poor. >> i want to focus in on this question of norms and culture of violence, that you mention. where does this come from? >> well it's very important because, we don't want to be understood as making a biological argument or again net particular argument, no one believes that. i don't believe that. so what then accounts for some groups, engaging in more crime than others? well, if it isn't a again net particular explanation, there must be some other and that's where values and norms, what we call culture enters n. so culture can be viewed as the values after distinctive group, and some would add the behaviors of this group. i wouldinclude over a firly long period of time. when a g