amy: minna epps, if you could respond?>> in termsf not having enough time, of course, time was not on our side but i think a lot of -- i think the president handled it quite well. she was very conscious of being inclusive to various parts, and i believe some of these issues that were brought up by the russian delegation or introduced new proposals, the president did remind that a lot of this text -- it essentially stayed the same in the last unds of negotiations. it was not new text per se, it was a very late hour to introduce new proposals -- which a few countries didather toward the end. these specific countries that have been quite quiet in previous rounds and as we were getting closer to al a deal, if you like basically spoke up more vocally and tried to introduce new language, which was basically too late in the day. there was some time staing activities or basically taking the floor and the president really wanted to move this forward. but i think everybody worked on the same premises in terms of having to review the

minna epps, the head of the oceans team at the international union for conservation of nature, joined discuss the significance of the treaty. i think a historic milestone for ocean protection the safety of the countries of the world came together and found common ground and agreed on a text for a treaty for high seas to protect them in terms of conservation and sustainable use on marine biological diversity. how do you get 193 states to find common ground? that is a challenging process. as you know this has taken a very, very long time. there have been five rounds of negotiations so this was actually the resumed fifth session because... because of the pandemic, it was pushed. it is really a challenge in terms of how to get countries to agree of course you to be flexible in their need to be compromises and concessions are made by all parties. it has remained a challenge because each country delegates with a group and in this case really need to strike a balance between protecting national interests but also looking at the commonalities and to focus on our, and objective which is to pro

joined now by the head of the oceans team at the international union for conservation of nature, minna eppsachieved a? today. unfortunately we cannot hear you, i'm not sure if you are muted but i wonder if you can have a peek again. hello? can you hear me? i wonder if you could just say hello back. no. 0k. unfortunately we seem to have lost our columns there. we will go back to that when we can. it is a great story. now prince harry. prince harry has described writing his book �*spare' as an act of service — and says he hopes that sharing details of his life will help others. here's our royal correspondent daniela relph. for an hour and a half, they talked. it had the feel of a therapy session. prince harry on grief, family and trauma. i certainly don't see myself as a victim. i'm really grateful to be able to share my story. i do not and i have never looked for sympathy in this. you had to buy a ticket to watch the online conversation. each one came with a copy of spare. harry described writing his book as an act of service and spoke of feeling trapped within the royal family. i always fel

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