>> kennedy: that was the minneapolis city council, that was the most aggressive stance we've seen iny, in the country, rather, right up there with seattle. my thought would be to pick a side. either defund the defund the police and find new ways of combating domestic violence, mental illness, 911 calls, and various other issues that arise in a major city like minneapolis, or reform the police department you've got. this is the message i would give to seattle and portland, as well. learn how to work with your police department. learn how to work with them. learn how to reform the department together. sit down and talk to police officers. for the city council members, i think one of the best things you can do to really understand is go on a ride along with your police department and see the interactions that they have. start from there instead of just making them the enemy. what's going to happen and a lot of the cities, you're going to have more police with no reform. he will have cut off your nose to spite your face, and nothing is going to smell good. >> harris: you know, juan, what

todd: minneapolis leaders under pressure to end of violence in the city, now the same politicians trying to abolish the police department want to know where the officers are. >> coronavirus takes center stage on the campaign trail, donald trump's vaccine promise has joe biden gets the green light for national mask mandate. >> "fox and friends first" continues right now. you are watching "fox and friends first" on thursday morning. >> thank you for joining us, let's begin with this, overnight officials warn of catastrophic flooding on the way as sally ghosts more rain over eastern alabama and western georgia. todd: pensacola was hit hard by the deadly storm. >> good morning. we are at this marina in the downtown area. this boat took a bad chunk from the storm and as you can see it is not like it is, the boardwalk, this right here is not clearly supposed to be there. we will swing around this way so we can look at something here. this is a sunken boat in the middle of the marina, underwater, you can hear what seems to be bilge pumps pumping water out. it is a complete mess but some boats a

members of the democrat-run minneapolis city council, you remember them, well, now they're complainingpikes in their city. this is the very same city council, radical lefties all, who voted three months ago to dismantle their police department. and they cut a million dollars from their budget. three council members complained to the city's police chief tuesday, saying officers weren't doing anything to prevent robberies, end quote. are not enforcing crime, end quote. anded asked how they could get a spike in carjackings under control. the minneapolis police department has lost at least 65 officers since june. they expect to lose another 35 by the end of the year. let's see, they defund the police, they insult the police, they will not support the police, and they're wondering why their crime is rising in minneapolis. amazing. joining us now is jim hanson, former u.s. army special forces, president of the security studies group, a national security and foreign policy think tank. his new book is "the myth of white fragility." jim, great to have you here. we recommend the book to our audi

thank you so much. >> thank you. >>> andrea jenkins is minneapolis city counsel vice president. uick break, when we come back we got more of minneapolis and by the way, minnesota senator amy klobuchar and ill momar and current senat bernie sander wills join me. we have that and more coming up when we continue live from minneapolis. p when we continue live from minneapolis. i'm a performer. -always have been. -and always will be. never letting anything get in my way. not the doubts, distractions, or voice in my head. and certainly not arthritis. new voltaren provides powerful arthritis pain relief to help me keep moving. and it can help you too. feel the joy of movement with voltaren. feel the joy you're having one more bite! no! one more bite! ♪ kraft. for the win win. they're going to be paying for this for a long time. they will, but with accident forgiveness allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident, even if it's your fault. cut! sonny. was that good? line! the desert never lies. isn't that what i said? no you were talking about allstate and insurance. i just

it's not just minneapolis city council members noticing the impact of defending the police.talked to one resident who defended her dad's condo building from looters and arsonists that were involved in these riots months ago. she said that since then she has called 911 multiple times but no one has answered, so now she's thinking about moving her father out of the city because she doesn't think it's safe. this is an issue that is definitely on the minds of swing state voters. we talked to several who say it's on the ballot in november but they haven't made up their mind yet. >> we are going to allow protesting to go on with no effort to stop the criminal acts. i can't support that. that's why trump is picking up steam right now, because of that effort to prolong. i will vote for every liberal judge. >> i think joe biden is a great guy, but i don't see him -- that he wanted to stop the violence. you've got to really vote for the candidate you have the same principles with. i truly believe in the police department. >> they are unsure at this point if they will be able to rebuil

they pledged to defund the police, now some minneapolis city council members may be regretting it.police department may regret this makeover to their patrol cars. the reason they removed the thin blue line. todd: welcome back. a vanity fair and new york times magazine contributor writer slamming supreme court nominee amy coney barrett for having a big family. the writer tweeting, i guess one of the things i don't understand about amy coney barrett is how a potential supreme court justice can also be a loving present mom to seven kids. is this like the kardashians stuffing nannies in the closet and pretending they've drawn their own baths for their kids. fox news contributor brett houme says comments like this would never be made about a lib trail supreme court justice -- liberal supreme court justice. >> she's seems almost to be saying a woman's place is in the home, a notion that for generation or more that's been anan theananthema for feminists. can you imagine such a person writing such a thing about a female democratic nominee -- nominated potential supreme court justice? i can

>> the minneapolis city council.illion from the police budget and wonders why crime is on the rise. >> bret: did you see that principal earlier? it's powerful to listen to that on the ground. >> no, look, i think marc is right. he chose that loser before i could get to it. >> bret: all right. harold, winner and loser. >> winner is first sergeant thomas payne. the bravery and honor that he showed on the ground is something that every politician should learn from. he was given the medal of honor from the president. the loser is attorney general barr who needs another history lesson. >> bret: susan, winner and loser. >> my winner is big 10 college football that reversioned the decision to postpone any season until 2021. now they're going to start looks like as soon as october 23. i think the coronavirus science is evolving and they feel there's a way that they can return to the game safely. it's good for the colleges and the fans and most of all, good for the players. my loser is nancy pelosi. she immediately rejected a

have stuck taxpayers with the bill for private security, but for everyone else in minneapolis wondering why did the cityhat do you think happened to minneapolis? any ideas? >> shocking, tucker, that this could happen. defund the police empowers criminals. i don't know what is worst, that they thought of the idea to defund the police or that they are surprised by the results. i can't keep up.pe this happening in blue states withs blue governors and blue cities with blue mayors and blue d.a.s, many of whom by the way have had their campaigns funded by george soros and other left-wing activists that just want to watch america burn, they are getting what they paid for. it is so laughable that they are shocked with this result and it's so sad that these are real people being affected by this. >> tucker: you're absolutely right. he did pay for a lot of this and he's definitely getting return for his money and he does. but i wonder all the kind of normal sweet people in minneapolis, a lot of whom are liberal, theyal didn't notice until memorial day weekend that their police department was systemically racist t

wondering why did the city go to, what do you think happened in minneapolisany ideas? >> shocking that this could have been. defunding powers criminals. i can't give up. this happening in blue states with blue governors and blue cities with blue mayors and blue das, many of whom by the way have had their campaigns funded by george soros, under their left-wing activist that just wants to make america burn, they are getting what they pay for, it is so laughable that they are shocked at this result and it's so sad that these people are being affected by this. >> tucker: if you are absolutely right, he did pay for a lot of this and he's deftly getting a return on his money, he usually does. but i wonder if all that kind of normal, sweet people in minneapolis, a lot of whom are liberal, they didn't notice until memorial day weekend that their police department was systemically racist. this all seemed to kind of come out of nowhere. how did that happen exactly? and is it going yet, have they been awakened to reality yet? >> i think we have good signs that people ar

before an organized uprising, the black visions collective received a $25,000 grant from the city of minneapolis irony of course is obvious and in what introspective, tragic. they gave money, taxpayers gave money to organizations to help destroy the city. the minneapolis city government effectively defunded and in fact they haven't renounced blm or antifa either or both of which are radical violent scripts. in minneapolis, freedom fund was directed by kemal harris and joe biden staffers endorsed it too. they redirected donations to the black visions collective. the point is not just that democrats want to condemn the people behind these riots, the point is they want these riots to happen and they are paying for these riots. how much of the spent trying to rebuild our cities? none so far. that tells you everything. other clinton is already telling joe biden, don't concede it no matter what. many democrats both agree with that and they are predicting the military may get involved in november. what's happening in the weeks following?ct we will tell you after the and on election day? break. ♪ (calm

it's interesting, i watched the minneapolis city council vote to defund their police and they want to have a study to find out why their crime has gone up. we have a plan to rebuild this economy. 10 million new jobs we'll create. we'll end the dependency on china. the number of bills that pass the senate but will not come to floor, they will not help us in the dependency on china. we had to go it alone with our own task force. we'll come out with a report in a week. we'll bring more manufacturing jobs by doing that. we have a plan to rebuild our bridges, roads, airports, making sure internet is throughout this country. we can do all of this and guarantee that veterans have the ability to have a job as well. but what are they doing on the floor? i leave you with this one question since you always ask me. name me one thing that the democrat majority, one problem they have solved? i see no results. but i see a commitment to america on the other side that could help rebuild, restore and renew this nation. take care. >> president trump has a news conference scheduled today at 6:00 p.m. eas

ends monday. ♪ ♪ lou: well, some of the radical dems running the city council in min minneapolis, they allegiance to dismantle the police department, that defund the police is starting to catch up with them. nine of the city's thirteen council members supported that pledge back in june. council member andrew johnson was one of them. he told "the new york times" that he meant the words in spirit, not the letter. look at andrew, rethinking his life. and council member philippe cunningham said the language in the pledge was up for interpretation, it was nuanced, it was somewhat ambiguous to him, it turns out, as he eats his words. cunningham, by the way -- there is philippe -- one of three minneapolis council members who hired taxpayer-funded private security details at the cost of $4500 a day. hey, philippe, pretty cool, huh? and city council president lisa bender added she believed the pledge created confusion in the community. she looks like she'd be worried about confusion in the community. wow. bender told cnn back in june that the fear of not having the police to call upon comes fro

brian: minneapolis city council members demanding answers as crime spikes across the city with shootingsching a five year high after pledging to quote dismantle the beliefs a couple months ago the city council is sounding the alarm and blaming the police. >> the crime is actually spreading out. >> what people want to know is mpd's response. >> asking where are the police? that is the only public safety option they have for the moment. >> we have officers on the street telling people that they're not enforcing crime, what do we do? >> i know it's not only the police department but that is who people are looking to right now. brian: joining us now with reaction to the least surprising in the country g.o.p. candidate lacy lee johnson, is he running for the city held by congresswoman ilhan omar who has called on to dismantle the police. lacy, we have a rise in assaults, robberies, homicides as well as property crimes and arson. is that what happens when you tell the police they are the problem and you cut their numbers. >> that's exactly what happens, brian. the hypocrisy and failure that we

the minneapolis city council is speaking out against the recent rise in crime. not the same city council, is it, that wanted to dismantle its own city police department? hmm. should the city council reverse course? >> where are the police? about is the only public safety option they have for the moment. they are saying they are nowhere to be seen. ♪ ♪ oh, oh, oh, ozempic®! ♪ (announcer) once-weekly ozempic® is helping many people with type 2 diabetes like emily lower their blood sugar. a majority of adults who took ozempic® reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. here's your a1c. oh! my a1c is under 7! (announcer) and you may lose weight. adults who took ozempic® lost on average up to 12 pounds. i lost almost 12 pounds! oh! (announcer) for those also with known heart disease, ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as heart attack, stroke, or death. it lowers the risk. oh! and i only have to take it once a week. oh! ♪ oh, oh, oh, ozempic®! ♪ (announcer) ozempic® is not for people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. do not share n

trust in our department and our city is deeply eroded and this is not helping. >> laura: i was in minneapolis earlier this summer. it's a -- it's become a complete and utter dangerous joke. why are these people surprised? why do they still keep getting re-elected? >> it's unbelievable. from what i understand, the same city manager that went to national television and asked if she was worried that she would have the call cops because of crime. she said she would have to check our privilege. the privilege is back in now and she realizes when somebody is committing a crime, it's a badk thing for city businesses are fleeing minneapolis, fleeing california, businesses are fleeing oregon. this will continue. you'll see people who earn people that have the capacity to get out will leave badly governed areas.. bad governance has consequences this will happen across the country and it's fun and games until everybody that pays the taxes takes off. >> laura: if joe biden is president, there's no escaping. there will be national mandates. no escaping. you won't escape to states. it's all going to be one

>> a miss to the minneapolis city council. you can't make this up. floyd died at the hands of minneapolis police, the city council voted to disband the police. this week they had a hearing on police reform, and instead of reporting how happily things have under thed the out, they started complaining about the rise in assaults, arson, robbery, murders. and they're saying, the council members are saying they're getting calls from their constituents, where are the police? more people have been killed in the first nine months of this year than all of last year. this goes under the category of be careful what you can wish for. paul: dan. >> a miss to the king of misses, new york city mayor bill de blasio. the city is a mess, and the mayor said he will furlough himself for a week in october along with about 500 members of his staff, saving the city a million dollars, just a little bit short of the $9 billion deficit. some of us wish the mayor would furlough himself until the end of his term, 15 months from now. paul: all right. thanks to my panel and thank

also the minneapolis star tribune reports that the city council is pressing the police chief for a planime in their wards. officers are not enforcing the law and bloodshed will continue unless more police are hired. this is the same minneapolis city council that two months ago led an effort to dismantle the police department. authorities in virginia are hunt for a gunman who shot a police car 3 times and the officer was unhurt. the president said a new healthcare promise was coming soon. at the town hall the president said it's ready. kevin reports on the long away the healthcare policy and if it will be rolled out before election. >> he said it before in march. >> within two weeks. a full and complete healthcare plan. >> and august. >> we will introduce a healthcare plan require to the end of the month. >> president trump promised to unveil a new healthcare plan and did last night on abc. >> we will do a healthcare plan and protect people with preexisting conditions. >> if it's ready it's news to top healthcare officials in the administration. many said today in testimony they were una

something similar in minneapolis where they defunded the police, city council said we don't want the police to be out there, crime shot up and now the minneapolis city council is wondering where are the cops, why aren't they showing up, this happens when you defund the police, you castigate them, vilify them and something goes wrong, you pick up the phone and call the cops. they are not around as much as they used to be. shannon: i want to talk about a piece in the new york post, new york times, talking about how some protesters there are some divisions in these groups about their tactics, moving into places like white residential neighborhoods, tactic by dividing supporters, some worry the confrontational approach will antagonize people who would be otherwise receptive to the message or playing to conservative critic of the protests which have been largely nonviolent nationally. for a lot of people when they see the video of people eating at restaurants being confronted on the streets, now they are going to neighborhoods and shining lights into people's homes, changing and keeping t

you find something similar in minneapolis where they defunded the police the city council sai we don'tthe police to be out there and as visible and present as they were. crime shot up another minneapolis city council is wondering where are the cops, why aren't they showing up. this is what happens when you defund the police, you castigat them, you vilify them. with any luck they are there, but they are not around as much as they used to be. >> i want to talk about a piece in the new york post, new york times, they are talking about how some protesters out there there are some divisions within some of these groups about thei tactics and what they're doing and moving into places like white residential neighborhoods. they safe the tactics are dividing supporters with some worried that the confrontation approach will antagonize people who would be otherwise receptiv to the message, or play to conservative which had been largely nonviolent nationally. i think for a lot of people whe they see this video of people eating at restaurants and being confronted on the streets, or now that they're

creating meaningful reform. >> martha: jack brewer, what do you think as you look at the city that you love it minneapolis and the fact that people are terrified in those communities of bullets coming through their windows and potentially hitting them even in their homes? >> so sad. this city is not normally like this. this is minneapolis, a place where it's minnesota nice come everyone loves each other. i agree with richard, i don't agree with a lot of things that he says but i think you have to look back at where the problem started and you have to hold some people accountable. why are we not holding them accountable? if this had been republicans doing this, everyone would be up in arms but no, it's democratic leadership starting from over 17 years, when that man kneeled on george floyd's neck, he had so many violations behind him, any of us would've been fired from our jobs but the democratic leadership, the attorney general's office, even senator amy klobuchar, all of them overlooked all of these discrepancies through the police department where they were mistreated people of color. let's start lookin

minneapolis city council members want to redo defunding the police because they are seeing problems with they are concerned about the crime in their city and that's where much of the unrest started right after the death of george floyd in that city may 25th. if they are taking another look at defunding, maybe that needs to be part of the conversations on both sides of the political aisle. melissa, quick thoughts? >> melissa: i think during the democratic national convention, democrats and joe biden tried to be like we don't know about this violence going on in the cities and ignoring it. now the new strategy was to lay it at president trump's feet. when you look at the statistics you highlighted off the top that 53% more people have been killed in these major cities this summer versus last summer, how is it donald trump's fault that people are being killed? it can't be. that's what i think the focus is about. the idea that these are democratic run cities. this is what it looks like. that's where you get it from. >> harris: yes. moving on. if t may not be on tonight's debate agenda but co

. >> a miss to the minneapolis city council. you can't make this up.of minneapolis police the city council voted to disband the police. this week they had a hearing on police reform and it's been complaining about the rise in assaults, arson robbery and murder and theyde are saying, te councilmembers are saying they are getting calls from their constituents. wheree of the police? more people being killed in the first nine months of this year than all of last year. paul this goes under the category of be careful what you wish for. paul: dan. >> new york city mayor bill de blasio, the city is a mess and the mayor said he will furlough himself for a week and that's along with five members of the staff saving his city a million dollars just a little bit short of the 9 billion-dollar deficit that some of us wish the mayor would furlough himself until the end of his -- paul: that's it. i am paul gigot and i hope to see you all here next week. lou: good evening everybody. president trump today with a full-throated defense of american history, american heritag

members of the democrat run minneapolis city council, you remember them, now they are complaining about this is the very same city council, radical leftists who voted three months ago to dismantle their police department. they cut a million dollars from their budget. three councilmembers complained to the city's police chief tuesday saying officers weren't doing anything to prevent robberies end quote, are not enforcing crime end quote and asked how they could get a spike in carjackings under control. the minneapolis police department has lost at least 65 officers since jim. they expect to lose another 35 by the end of the year. let's see, they defund the police, they insult the police, they will not support the police and they are wondering why their crime is rising in minneapolis. amazing. up next another one of adam shutts's so-called whistleblowers. he's got another liar. they are always the same. whistleblowers and liars in shutts land. news editor-in-chief john solomon with data much more. he is with us after these quick messages. please stay with ♪ ♪ [ engines revving ] ♪ ♪ it's

reading today about the minneapolis police department or the city council in minneapolis talking about literally like eliminating the police and rebuilding something in its place, which was unimaginable that the major city would be talking about that. does that kind of thing give you a sense of possibility of what might? >> absolutely. i woke up and i saw the article the first thing a bit when it opened my eyes this morning. all i.t. think of myself is what a time to be alive. the fact that the minneapolis city council is not only considering redistributing funds so that we don't address needs that communities have with police for not equipped to address those needs, is incredible and it's a conversation that organizes and advocates have been pushing to the better part of 20 years. i can tell you what a a time te alive. i can also say i keep saying things like, you know, the school district in minneapolis saying that their ending their contract with police. what that means for a decade at having police in schools and how to say when not going to do that is very, very powerful. similarl

society operates from and you can grow something new and i read today about the minneapolis police department or the city council in minneapolis talking about literally eliminating [inaudible] and building something in its place which was unimaginable that a major city would be talking about that. does that kind of thing give you a sense of possibility of what might come? >> absolutely. i woke up and saw that article in the first thing i read when i open my eyes this morning and all i keep saying to myself is what a time to be alive in the fact that the minneapolis city council is not only considering redistributing funds so that we don't address the needs that communities have with police who aren't equipped to address those needs and it's incredible and the conversation that organizers and advocates have been pushing for the better part of 20 years so i can tell you what a time to be alive and i can also say i keep seeing things like the school district in minneapolis and they are ending their contracts with police and what that means for a decade of having police and schools and say now they will not

could spark further unrest. >> i got to tell you let's talk about defunding, let's talk about minneapolis city council. they are calling for a strategy to reduce violence and yet they want to defund and dismantle, hypocrites, just that simple. by and large especially communities of color they want the police. who is talking to the people who live in the communities? that is why these outsiders come into the cities, make and realistic demands, talk about seattle, this love zone or zone of lawlessness, this experiment that was an abject failure, two murders and one sexual assault and then the police officers are forced to do what, retreat. we don't retreat in detroit. it didn't work out so well. is that really what we want? what we need to start looking at, we support free-speech, we support denouncing police officers engaged in violence but let's talk about the criminals. we want to talk about peaceful protesters, what about the ones throwing projectiles and using lasers against our officers. shannon: those are two different groups of folks. as you talked about before no one wants the backups r

. >> jesse: big surprise, minneapolis city council members are shocked that crime is rising after theythe police. emily? >> emily: i'll start with seattle. pundits said would be chilling for the feds to prosecute local officials because it would be based on that think didn't like the decisions that they made. there's nothing further from that truth. dereliction of duty or failure of duty is not a preference dispute. the major sent out the tweet and saying this is chilling, this is an abuse of power by the trump administration and his using the a.g., the attorney general, as his lap dog. she said but it's not about me. the story is not about me. it's about the president, the a.g. as a seattle resident, i want to say it's not about them either, sister. it's about us. the residents. we're the ones that in addition to paying taxes and paying her salary, we're the ones that surrender safety and security and in a lot of senses livelihoods and our law enforcement for them to make their point. so for me, i'm always about this. as an attorney, be careful not to overcharge. i know that the doj i

onefe minneapolis city council member saying a recent meeting, "residents are asking where are the policenes you defunded? calls from cops as the city suffers from rising crime, shocker, as if that wasn't predictable. here with reaction to all of this, fox news contributor, formeron republican congressman now reformed, filled it on the show, i don't watch the show, otherwise i'm not off, trey gowdy, good to see you. when you look at the rhetoric of joe, please become the enemy, and we are going to redirect funds, and kamala saying applauding 150 million caught in the l.a.p.d., now assassinating -- attempting to assassinate police officers,sa thousands injured, 45 cups dead this year on the job, do you believe that rhetoric has an impact? >> of course it does. the media wants us to believe that only republican rhetoric -- that's the only thing that can incite violence. sean, we've had 10,000 arrests this year connected with the rioters, $2 billion innd propery damage, mobs chanting "we hope you die" to two police officers almost executed in the line of work while you have other folks block

so we have been talking to a lot of citizens of can ocean of course but also another of the cities minneapolis and other cities you're from chicago which has its own set of problems and protests also like last night or protests against systemic racism and so on where do you think i mean you're 19 years old and there might be people saying like what does a 19 year old know but let's push this aside and just where do you think is does america stand where what has to happen in this country here between the races between ethnicities between people to make things better or is there no chance to make things better i do want to believe that there's a chance to make things better but i think the way that we can make things better is if we unite not against each other but together so that means that we need to come together and what we've seen today here it was not there was no violence involved it was just you know exchanging words and i actually got a few opportunities to talk to trump supporters who are open minded and you know just exchange opinions and i think that's a good start to not be hating

. >>> do you remember the minneapolis city council, they moved to defund the police? . they're now alarmed by the crime surge in their city, and they're asking the police chief what he's going to do about it. the nerve. it's coming up. >>> joe bind's handlers let him take a few questions wednesday, and here's how that went. roll tape. >> i'd be happy to take some questions now if that's okayment of i mean, my list here. stuart: looking at a list. does he have the questions ahead of time on husband little list? the first debate is less than two weeks away. there ain't no list of questions for that. we'll be back. ♪ ♪ hi, this is margaret your dell technologies advisor there's an art to listening. it's the ability to hear more than what's being said. to understand the meaning in every pause. and to be able to offer the answers that make someone feel truly heard. i understand, let's get started. that's what you get when you talk to a dell technologies advisor. ♪ if i could, baby i'd ♪ how can i, when you won't take it from me ♪ ♪ you can go your own way ♪ ♪ go your own wa

. >> dana: minneapolis city council reportedly is backtracking on a promise to dismantle the police departmente the mpd with a new community support and outreach system after the death of george floyd but earlier this month the members raised alarm about the uptick in crimes like carjackings and shootings, are you surprised by this backtrack? >> not at all, if you take police out of the community we are going to have law and disorder and the reform the police movement, it is found out that the police have been doing things differently for years with mental health outreach, and we need to fund those initiatives in law enforcement, work with community partners to do it but we don't need to be defunding in the police in an extremely challenging time to try to keep our community safe. >> dana: i can only imagine the type of support you've called upon now is a former chief, that's a big job and i know you're working hard to do that and call on members of the community like myself to help out. try to keep the communications going, thank you for your time and expertise and all you're doing. they do s

the fact that minneapolis city council is not only considering redistribute in funds so that we don'tress needs that communities have with police who aren't equipped to address those needs is incredible. it is a conversation that organizers and advocates have been pushing for the better part of 20 years. so i can tell you, what a time to be live. i can also say, i keep seeing things at the school district in minneapolis saying they are ending their contracts with police and what that means for a decade of having police in schools announcing were not going to do that they're moving some of the same proposals. so we should remember that when we see things like this, it is the result of organizing. it is the result of the pressure on people to have the political will and courage to examine new ways of operating and that is fundamentally what movements can accomplish. and you know, we should not expect that every movement has a strategy on a blueprint that they hand to you and you can plug into. so much of what movements do is respond to changing conditions. takes the pulse of what commun

but you have places like minneapolis city council now openly regretting the decision to push for thatt as they are seeing crime on the rise. if you think this is a -- do you think this is a big issue in your party about wanting to declare where joe biden is in where progressives are on this issue? >> i think it's very clear for those of us that are on the front lines. we are getting haircuts not in just police departments but in fire departments as we put our firefighters on the line, our health care workers who are defending a solid saving lives in covid-19. we have a president who has not stepped up to help local governments and state governments. joe biden is not in favor of defunding the police. i'm not in favor of defunding the police. i am in favor of refunding communities that have been overlooked by this president -- >> bret: the city council did. >> we have had a cut across all of our departments, including the police department, but that is something that's a result because this president has not stood up. i think here in ohio the mayor of toledo who put it best, the only pe

brian: back in june minneapolis city council members pledged to defund their police department. movement seems to be sloozing steam the "new york times" reporting quote some council members would like a do-over. some activists said the pledge was to be working literally. a commitment to working toward complete police abolition. elected officials said there was widespread disagreement about its meaning. he is running for ilhan omar's seat. reached out to her she did not respond. we got a statement from another opponent michael moore said in part it was never reasonable, appropriate to think the city would remove effective live defund the place language was merely rhetoric. lacy, you are not surprised we are here right now with homicides up 87%. >> i'm not surprised at all, brian. the hypocrisy and failure of leadership of our city council is just astounding. and, according to a recent update from the minneapolis police chief, we have seen a drastic rise in crime as we have seen a reduction in the number of policemen. and you can imagine no one here should want to take on the risk

let's take you live now to out is there is john henry and he is at a polling station in the city of minneapolis and 1st of all john why are trump a both in minnesota. well that's right i'm out in front of the hennepin county government center where a number of things go on here at the moment there is a bride and groom have just gotten married here taking pictures behind us but what really was significant that happened here today in terms of the election was that voting began minnesotans were among 4 states that could do early voting and move those polls have closed and you're right minnesota is normally a state of the candidates pay a lot of attention to it votes reliably democratic hasn't voted for a republican for president since richard nixon in 1072 when ronald reagan swept 49 of 50 states in 1980 the one lone holdout was minnesota which voted for minnesota native walter mondale but trump gave them a scare 4 years ago he lost this state by just 1.5 percentage points and he did it largely in 2 areas in the suburbs and in the iron range in the northern mining part of this state and that's whe

david: as i mentioned, this charge, where are the police, that came from the minneapolis city councilthrough a very similar process then what's happening in seattle is also happening in portland to certain instead in new york city as well, when they do so much to discredit, defund and disrespect the police and then the police quit if they can or go on retirement if it's possible that even if it is not possible, they are getting out and then ask where the police are, that's insanity or stupidity or combination of the two. >> is a combination of the two, i can confirm it's a combination of the two, we've been having these problems for a while, the most part when you dial 911 there only going to respond to priority one calls meaning emergencies that are happening at the moment that you're making the call we have had a significant past years of break-ins and property crimes and when people call 911 they generally don't get a response for hours if they get one at al. david: we have to jump but i gotta ask about businesses, how many have moved out and you know of any business in the past si

jamar nelson, anti-violence activist here in minneapolis, who has been critical of the city council's push to dismantle the minneapolis police department saying it's contributed to an uptick in violence he said president trump missed out on a golden opportunity when he refused to condemn white supremacy unequivocally. he said it was a gut punch to him. minneapolis is a city still reeling from the death of george flo floyd, tributes around the violence and destruction, protests afterwards are still apparent they wanted to hear more from the president. >> shaq brewster live in minneapolis. thanks the president won michigan by fewer than 30 votes so how michigan reacts matters to both candidates in a big way. both of the people you talked to went for president trump in 2016 where are they now >> reporter: shep, i first met both of these voters last november katie morris, mom of two, told me she regretted voting for donald trump but wasn't sure she could vote for a democrat, thought the party had gotten too far left now she is all in on joe biden she said at last night's debate he was try

their police department such as mayor wheeler in portland, mayor de blasio in new york and the minneapolis city council? >> well, respectfully i think that's a legal question i'd want to defer to the attorney general and department of justice. >> chair recognizes the gentleman from california. >> i want to thank our witnesses today, director wray, director miller for being here today. i want to thank all the good folks that work under you in your agencies for keeping us in this country safe and keeping our families safe as well. and i thank you mr. chairman, thompson for holding this most important hearing. and your focus today is an essential topic of this homeland security which is keeping nis country secure. one of the purposes of this committee is to assess international as well as the domestic threats to the military. one of those threats right now, biggest one i hear about much in my district is election security but not only are foreign actors threatening to interfere in our election, but there's a lot of concern in my district about transition power. a lot of my constituents are concern

let's talk about minneapolis, the city council.hey are calling for a strategy to reduce violence, but yet they want to defund and dismantle. hypocrites. it's just that simple. you know, by and large, especially communities of color, they want the police. who is talking to the people living in the communities? that's why these outsiders come into the cities, make these unrealistic demands -- let's talk about seattle. this zone of lawlessness -- this experiment. it was an abject failure. at two and one sexual assault. it then the police officers are forced to do what? retreat. we don't retreat in detroit. it didn't work out so well. is that really what we want? what we need to start looking at -- look, we support free speech, we support denouncing police officers that are engaged in violence, but let's talk about the criminals. you want to talk about peaceful protesters, what about the ones that are throwing projectiles and using lasers against our officers? >> shannon: asked officers. yet, there are two different groups of folks. as

stuart: looks like some city council members in minneapolis might be regretting their calls to defundin, tell us what is happening. lauren: be careful what you wish for, i guess. some members of that city council that backed the city's pledge to defund the police, this is three months ago in the wake of the george floyd killing they're now backtracking. one said the words were in spirit not letter. that according to "the new york times." you know, quiet retreat underlines how difficult radical change, structural change really is when it meets a, the legislative process, but also the issue, public opinion. defunding the police has become a thorn in the side of joe biden. it has bolstered the law and order message of president trump. if you look at the numbers, in june, the city council voted to defund the minneapolis city police. it is now september. in that three month span there have been 2221 instances of violent crime, up more than 80% from the same three months in 2019, stuart. stuart: good lord. those numbers tell the story, do they not? lauren, thank you very much indeed. market