luhansk has worsened and both sides are being blamed for violations of the peace plan, known as the minskgreement. also, talk of a warmer relationship between moscow and washington since donald trump became president has led to worries in ukraine that its interests are being sidelined. my my guest is ivanna klympush—tsintsadze, ukraine's vice prime ministerfor klympush—tsintsadze, ukraine's vice prime minister for european integration. is her country now out in the cold internationally? ivanna klympush—tsintsadze, welcome to hardtalk thank you for having me here. donald trump said vladimir putin, i would actually get along with him, i think we would have a good relationship. he is election is bad news for the ukraine, isn't it? in the inauguration of the new american president we have only had supportive information and supportive information and supportive messages from the us administration. we have had a very clear signalfrom president administration. we have had a very clear signal from president trump himself during his recent meeting with the president of ukraine when he confirmed t

both sides have violated the minsk agreement.ton and moscow. that has left ukraine feeling like it has been sidelined. my feeling like it has been sidelined. my guest is the vice prime minister for european integration. is her country out in the cold internationally? vice prime minster ivanna klympush—tsintsadze, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having me here. donald trump has said of vladimir putin that they would probably get along and have a good relationship. his election is probably bad news to ukraine, isn't it? since his inauguration, we have only had supportive messages from the us administration and we have had very clear signals from donald trump himself during his recent meeting with the president of ukraine, petro poroshenko, when he confirmed the willingness to continue sanctions with regard to russian aggression against ukraine, to support further ukrainian reforms, and to make sure that america is staying engaged in trying to sort out the conflict that we are finding ourselves as a victim of. so nothing but word

both sides have been accused of violating the minsk agreement. and talk of a warmer relationship between moscow and washington says. trump became president has led to worries in ukraine that its interests are being sidelined. my guest is ivanna klympush—tsintsadze, ukraine's buys prominence of the european integration. is her country now out in the cold? vice premier stirk ivanna klympush—tsintsadze, welcome to hardtalk thank you for having me here. donald trump has said of vladimir putin that they would probably get along. he said -- isa would probably get along. he said -- is a election is properly bad news to ukraine. since his election, we have only had supportive messages from the us administration and we have had a very clear signal from donald trump himself during his recent meeting with the president of ukraine, petro poroshenko, when he confirmed the willingness to continue sanctions with regard to russian aggression against the ukraine and to support further ukrainian reforms, and to make sure that america is staying engaged in trying t

all parties are interested in the fact that all the parties to the minsk agreements implemented. all the all that is written down in the agreements and. our western pardons feel that on the understanding that. and this broke currently not sort of moving forward as quickly as we want to well on the outcomes of that meanings mr putin and mr trump other friends partners so what you know i have already. so you how these how these talks went and what atmosphere they took place had they agreed about next meeting. that. is you know we didn't talk about grants and. we're discussing the issues that are actually on the agenda and i have told you what we have discussed today and i can see are definitely that both for presidents have been. very driven by the national interests of their country and of the international community is of course and this is something that is going to be told to you to tomorrow. so the twenty is more about the economy so maybe there will be another but you need to discuss economic issues at this meeting but what mr trump and mr putin was of. exclusively political

most interesting thing is that this model will see a declaration isn't all that different from the minsk agreement which both sides in the current conflict are supposed to be adhering to both call for self-determination both call for recognition of multiple indigenous languages both call for total cessation of violence and both call for a return to civil government so the problem with the minsk accords as this declaration really reveals isn't that they're on reasonable or unworkable it's that the main priority to them the kiev regime is so on reasonable ok and so frankly look at. moscow's reaction the kremlin's reaction was very tepid they said this is a personal personal initiative. they know they're not standing by and what's going on not on a limb off call but that you will ganske you know all the other center of. resistance to they also said we were warned about it we have not been you know that well i think that the statement from mr zahar janica was emotional and i understand where it comes from you know the problem is that the following ukraine was used. by a group of people who d

in the minsk agreement now speaking about ukraine secretary of state tellers and the flu to keep from hamburg for a three hour a visit which included a meeting with the president meeting with his critics and news conference so it was a very very tight schedule especially. as far as the meeting with the president is concerned which only lasted one hour should be read anything into these designed the fact that he was meeting both with brush and i am his critics could that be a sort of signal. washington maybe of trying to sound ticky if given of course all be and to russia rhetoric routine but until russian rhetoric was also given some air there. i mean again there's the question of stabilizing ukraine is a question of providing a long term framework for the viability of ukraine for western ukraine for eastern ukraine and creating opportunities economic opportunities social opportunities there's growth as those are. the the country is going to be unstable and so you're going to do need to think of this prototype framework and of course you're going for thinking about a visitor for a day

over the past year or so where we're absolutely i mean that's important it's important to revive the minsk process and to stabilize eastern ukraine that the fighting is increasing because well. there are these issues and it's really important. there is this high level discussion i completely agree with you on the two you're absolutely right about now for a number of years to be hurried speculations about the so-called grand bargain that the russia would yield to the united states and syria while the united states would make concessions on the ukraine but it looks now that the opposite may be on the way that the united states may accept the russian plan in syria while russia is already encouraging more active american involvement in ukraine what do you think about that do you think that could work it's not clear whether those negotiations are going we're really right at the beginning of this exercise and the last months of seeing an intensification of fighting in ukraine rather than. pacification serwer the problem ought to be done better and i think you know when you think about the situat

i was in minsk at the time the trumpet who we were talking at the g. twenty. we had votes there on human rights democracy electoral expansions and the integrity of national governments like you cry the russian federation voted against the western world on almost every vote against human rights against minority rights against voting rights and against territorial integrity that's what the russian federation is about is how they voted in minutes they're not good guys they're not going to work with us in cyber security they don't need to work on cyber security you get too popular to run against putin you get killed or you get arrested and disqualified they don't have elections and they stole ours. that that assembly that you attended in in minsk you said the real russia was exposed there as opposed to the think russia that sells for. that's exactly right larry the real russia is repressive and wants to have total state control and doesn't think about people's individual rights right to assemble right to participate this is not democracy and there is no democracy

donald trump has to show he can be hard on upholding the minsk agreement and confront president putin certainly on the actions we have seen in crimea. vonnie: i want to bring in henry meyer in moscow, how much will putin be able to get out of donald trump when it comes to a strategy in syria or the potential for sanctions to be diminished? henry: i think that russians have been encouraged by the comments made by rex tillerson on his way to germany in which he said the u.s. was looking to work with russia in syria, in terms of the no-fly zones and patrol of the cease-fire. on the other hand, they are realistic in moscow and they understand how much pressure donald trump is under, so their expectations are modest i would say. warsaw,ven yesterday in henry, trump criticized russia's destabilizing behavior in the called to an end to the support of hostile regimes in syria and iran. how did that go down in moscow? henry: i think the russians understand the reason why donald trump says those things, at least that is their understanding, that he is trying to defend against the mystic critics

third topic i hope is ukraine, where there is a minsk process if russia would follow it, we could sort that out. >> even if president trump leads with the russian hacking or russian meddling, hasn't vladimir putin already gotten what he wanted. yesterday when president trump was asked directly about the meddling he left the door open and said it could be russia and others. that falls right into the same narrative that we heard president putin say when he spoke to our own megyn kelly. if the goal was to create chaos, the president undermining our own intelligence agencies, hasn't putin already won before the meeting even started? >> i think he's won the first round is a good way to look at it. but again, what does putin want in the 12-rnd fight? by the end of this thg, what he wants is those sanctio lifted. a huge mistake on the part of president trump would be to give an inch on sanctions. i hope he does not do that. that's the leverage that we will continue to hold on russia because those sanctions are truly biting. as ali points out correctly, russia is say big gas station, the econo

likely to see further downpours over kiev and minsk. particularly wet over germany. millimetres in places. some flash floods. some showers drifting down over the balkans. for italy, we've been hearing about how dry it has been over places like rome, some showers showing up but another largely dry day. to the west of that, strong winds over the south of france fanning wildfires. also for corsica and sardinia. the winds will ease over the next few days. staying dry. heavy downpours tending to ease for the likes of berlin and warsaw. back home, wednesday looks like a soggy affair. heavy rain drifting eastwards. strong and gusty winds, brightening up from the west later in the day. what do the prospects look like further ahead? find out in half an hour. hello, i'm karin giannone, this is outside source. donald trump has attacked his own attorney general, calling him weak, as rumours swirl that he may fire him soon. but i am disappointed in the attorney general. you should not have recused himself. almost immediately after he took office. two rival libyan leaders agree to

last three years and in the two plus years since the agreement was reached in minsk in favor of twenty fifteen to try to settle this. you haven't really seen. an effort on the part of moscow and the separatist forces into the control. to end the fighting. you talk about moscow and the separatist foresees but what if the international community is three years since mh seventeen was shot down. wasn't bad enough to galvanize the international community to do more. well i i think the shoot down the tragic shoot down of mh seventeen did galvanise international community. in that it was after that event that you saw the first really hard hitting sanctions both from the european union the united states. and those sanctions continue to this day on. unfortunately they haven't yet delivered a change in the policy approach in the kremlin. although perhaps they have. saved ukraine from. even greater pressure from the russians. so what can be done to change flatmate pizza in animal skins resolve because clay is you just say the sanctions on having the desired effect. well i think they're a couple t

this is a problem and when we're speaking about this to create an issue we still stick an minute in minsk agreement and this is a big mistake in my view now the events in ukraine created. a seemingly permanent tax on both russian and european industries and by that i mean both sanctions and can't counter sanctions i heard you say dad they're unlikely to survive beyond the summer of two thousand and seventeen but here we are they have just been extended how long do you thing they will stay in place. you know i said this several times that i believe that like in upcoming months sanctions will be it will be lifted no this will not happen and i really believe that. it will not happen in. fact i cannot say i gotta say the. i think that a boy had a vicious circle and was not able to get out of it we still know baltic states poland we already lost russian market this is a problem for us and i believe that this is not a problem for usha mr tom let me ask you a difficult question that i mentioned before the. police from the most this perspective part of the reason ukraine is not hurrying to fulfil

on the minsk agreement with security because the security situation has deteriorated. z. both in terms of the line of contacts and they don't territories. naturally for mr love rose visit has allowed us to. talk about bilateral relations. we all the number one invest in foreign investor in russia. and also spoken of humanitarian cultural and social issues. for french and civil for us in civil society working together in the framework of the train and on dialogue. we are working together to put together. an attractive framework for all use. we have had a frank and detail dialogue today. as we already had in moscow. to develop the rich relations between our countries to develop our relations for the benefit of peace in europe and the world thank you for your attention. mr foreign minister ladies and gentleman first and foremost i'm grateful. for being invited here to paris. in the run up to the g twenty summit. as it was today's talks. continues the talks which took place on the twentieth of june in moscow on those talks took place in the follow up all the meeting in the pa

on that plane in danger because of fuel shortage and they had to land in minsk belorussia and then of course came igor dunn's reaction which was also. quite condemning of the fact that romania tried to sabotage a meeting between two switch egypt partners which of course moscow and just the now have been for quite some time. now just imagine call in if the sanctioned list of russia was to be followed through and not allow anyone on that list to fly over the russian air space that one of the biggest countries as far as land mass that would be some serious fuel spending for those entities so quite a surprising turn of events here yeah a lot of ill tempered diplomacy doing the rounds this friday miguel thanks very much for that thanks so much. a lot of developments going on in the past few hours and you know going to have the latest on that for you in the next thirty five minutes or so this is also international. for many particularly his critics a trumpet ministration is nothing less than chaos on steroids for some who know the president this is merely business as usual for him is this a

minsk record specked in order and the guy you picked to do that or a conservative court broker he was actually the best suited nato now. it's really hard to figure out what. what trump has in mind but i think that kay bailey hutchinson could be a lot worse i mean she's been under fire from the tea party for not getting conservative enough so i think she's going to do what she's told the question is whether the trump will see ukraine and other problems that have really risen with respect to nato in a new light and if he does should follow instructions on like vicky haley at the u.n. who doesn't seem to be having any instruction here he does seem to be going a little bit rogue i think from the administration's stance on a lot of things it's almost as if she is you know almost like acting as as secretary of state where it's conflicting with what rex tillerson is trying to do but but getting back to hutchison here like you said she has a history of being pretty conservative maybe not as extreme as what the tea party might want to she she has a history of being quite hawkish specifically a

there was an opportunity to bring him to the city of minsk. he had an opportunity to dine with the duke of gloucester, the brother of king george the third. the king of england at the time. at that time out come of the duke was complaining about these upstarts in america. they were rising up against the authority of british rule. they believed they could have independence and self-rule. while they were being mocked, lafayette's interest was the. this was piqued. he said his heart was enlisted. old, he began to understand the founding of this country or the beginning of the revolution, of what was happening here. he was solicited by silas deane, a representative of the continental congress. dean was sent to france to find military officers. our forces had few military officers at the time. ,t 19 with no war experience lafayette was offered a commission. in early 1777, james level of massachusetts met with lafayette. but he refused to give him the commission at that time. saying americans were tired of frenchmen coming in seeking glory in americ

in particular, they would have said let's implement this minsk two agreement, the ceasefire, peace agreementing trump to help russia get what it wants in ukraine. but, how it is spun in washington could be very different, surely? we had donald trump in that speech in poland, saying look, there's a community of responsible nations, join us? yes, but he is saying it in terms of location, a symbolic speech which was written by one of steve bannon‘s people. it's about western civilisation saying, you know, on the western side of the line now, thatis the western side of the line now, that is where the line goes. what is implied effectively in that speech is that anything east of the line is not part of the west. this is something that putin would have hugely welcomed, saying we do not have any claim on poland, or on the former soviet bloc, that ukraine is a separate issue. trump, very interestingly, did not use words like russia is an invasion of ukraine, the annexation of crimea, they said that russia should stop destabilising ukraine. hang on, they annexed crimea and started a war in ukraine. t

but taking it seriously and carrying out the minsk accords, at that point we can start talking about diplomatic relations and avoiding these tit for tat approaches. >> the chairman of your committee, john mccain is starting treatment today for this brain cancer. i know we all want to wish him well as he continues to fight this. >> certainly, yes, senator mccain is one of the great american heroes and he is left and will continue to leave an indelible mark on the senate. i encourage senator mccain to come back so we request do the health care bill together. senator mccain is unique, one of a kind, he represents one of the greatest senators whoever served on that committee. >>> nothing to see here, president trump on defense after a tumultuous week at the white house. charlie dent joins me next, right here on "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. why give it an interior where even the dash is cut and sewn by hand? it's simple: you can build a car. or you can build a cadillac. how to win at business. step one. point decisively with your glasses. abracadabra! the stage is yours. step two.

>> we continue to push the minsk agreement. we continue to -- we just renewed sanctions last week on russia's role in crimea, we are not lifting those, we're going to continue to stay strong on that so at the security council that's what i'm pushing, that's what i'm doing. >> and you would agree that we shouldn't offer any sanction relief before russia would finally live up to its obligation in minsk? there are other things they have done that have impacted our economy greatly. one of them is happening now ,ith the fort of los angeles the last victim of this global, cyber attack. we do not know exact way where that is, so i find it hard to believe and i would like to get clarification from you on your statement when you said, question mr. boyle's that you did not want china or russia to dictate how we approach these attacks. where you'ret trying to get at that, but i am isn'toncerned that there a conversation about russia's influence in our election, their influence in the european election, most recently germany's election. ho

we had our annual meeting of the osce parliamentary assembly in minsk. and our delegation was very much actively engaged in this issue of trafficking. the u.s. leadership on this globally has been a huge difference. it was the leadership of the united states congress and the united states government that has raised this issue to the international community, making it clear we will not tolerate trafficking in persons. and that we will take all necessary steps to end this tragedy. it distorts labor markets. it destroys people. erodes community and undermines stability and rule of law and is fueled by corruption, greed, and violence. we will continue in our trafficking in persons report to me is the gold standard for what is used to have all countries do better. i mentioned previously when foreign guests come into my office, whether they're heads of state or foreign ministers, i have the trafficking in persons report in my office and will review that country's need for additional progress in order to deal with this. so it was with great anticipation that we

we're not releasing -- we're not relieving you of any sanctions until, number one, you comply with the minsk agreement and ukraine and agree not to do this again. the president continues to attack the media and our intelligence community because he wants to diminish the impact, if anything untoward is found with this investigation of saying, you can't believe our intelligence community or the media, therefore it didn't exist. that, i think, is what he's trying to do. >> secretary cohen, a pleasure. come back any time. >> thanks. >> thank you. >>> coming up next, president trump's motorcade left the g20 summit moments ago while thousands of protesters have been out and about on the streets of hamburg, germany. we will take you back there live. s nationally recognized for her compassion and care. he spent decades fighting to give families a second chance. but to help others, they first had to protect themselves. i have afib. even for a nurse, it's complicated... and it puts me at higher risk of stroke. that would be devastating. i had to learn all i could to help protect myself. once i got the

there was something called the minsk accords on the table.ou could have an internationally negotiated mandates toith u.n. secure that. ukraine becomes a nonaligned country. it becomes part of the eu, i mean, a bridge between east and west. more than 10,000 people in ukraine have died. there needs to be a long-term way to resolve the crisis. it also is history. nato expansion. nato is a military alliance designed to counter the soviet union when the soviet union into, promises were made by george h.w. bush that nato would willxpand one inch you stop those promises were broken as the u.s. expanded. nato has become as a full paradox. -- fateful paradox. you cannot ignore nato expansion when you look at ukraine, but the key thing for the sake of millions of people, lives, the possibility of a democratic ukraine. the sanctions regime -- the vote in the senate was also about iranian sanctions. you have a reformist election in iran and they're going to clamp to undermine an iranian nuclear joe, which is the template for what should be done with nort

but also to show firmness on other things, like the minske agreement which russia continues to not abide course bolstering up assad and perpetuating the civil war in a syria. this is an opportunity for him to do, if he really wants to make america great again, this is a chance to do it in front of vladimir putin and say, look, we know what you're up to and we're not going to let you get away with it. >> we do feel strongly our reporting is accurate. there is no inclination to do this, but your hope is obviously that he would mention russian meddling. >> he has some days to go. and staff help prepare him. i hope that's the focus that they're putting on it. >> look, rebecca, obviously huge focus there at the g20. that is going to take a lot of attention. back home you have the senate trying to thread the needle on health care reform. is this going to give them a little bit of breathing room? we know there is some math in the works even as folks are on recess. >> right. well, usually the white house would be guiding a process like this with a major piece of legislation that is crucial to th

they haven't improved on their behavior regarding the minsk agreement vis-a-vis the ukraine, seib hacking is still an issue. the fact he said that, i think he believes that. >> hagar chemali, always good to see you. >> likewise. >>> up next, moments from now, general kelly, jon kelly sworn in as the new chief of staff of the white house. is he ready to answer the call to bring order to chaos? >> you need to take that call? okay. fine. >> it might be the president. so i do want to miss the call. (bell rings) with my moderate to severe crohn's disease,... ...i kept looking for ways to manage my symptoms. i thought i was doing okay... then it hit me... ...managing was all i was doing. when i told my doctor,... ...i learned humira is for people who still have symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease... ...even after trying other medications. in clinical studies,... the majority of people on humira... saw significant symptom relief... ...and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability... ...to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and ca

. >> as we go through and the admin minsk it -- amendments get put in, they still go back to the houseere are major differences between house republicans and senate republicans on issues like justaid, like taxes, not the medical device tax, tax on anathema toviduals, conservatives that wealthy people are paying more to support the health care system as it is. those are issues that will come back up. julia: all of the lines from john mccain, we are not the president's subordinates to we are his equals. there is pushed back there. with ron johnson being given a firm talking to buy mitch mcconnell, whether for the optics and voters back home, there were people under a great deal of pressure here. >> definitely a whip process. here is what was going on from senator mccain. number one, he was directing that a president trump to be sure. that andso directing mitch mcconnell, basically saying this process has been done in secret outside regular been, and the way it has run is against what the senate should stand for. whether this will be seen as washington as usual, i'm a big believer that a

there complying with commitments on the minsk cease-fire agreement. they have support for the assad regime. north korea is a grave national security threat, and the community grapples with the idea there are no quick options. there have been sanctions against north korea and threatening the rules-based order in the asia-pacific region by economic and portion of the vulnerable neighbors and undermining the freedom of navigation. iran continues development of ballistic missiles as well as other destabilizing measures. while we continue to make standing military progress against isis, they have get to articulate a broad government strategy the issue that gave rise to isis. , the committee looks forward to hearing from you for these issues. the vice chairman is given a number of responsibilities, -- the joint requirements. by making the vice chair the vice principal, i join requirements. given acquisition programs to necessary, i look forward to the effectiveness of the new authorities and whether you believe the changes are warranted. the vice chairman i

is not going to be business as usual with russia as long as they violate the agreement they made in minsk which is regarding ukraine. >> i just want to point out that the hope within a matter of days we have legislation with regards to russia that include nato's light commitment to unify on the misinformation attacks that russia has been instilling in europe and their use of the internet so we are trying to give you additional tools working with our nato partners to share information and best practices against the aggression of russia. >> and i think congress is doing the right thing to put those sanctions in place. i know there are disagreements on some of the language and everyone is working to make sure that it doesn't have unintended consequences. i think it's very important and it's also an initiative that was made in the may 25 meeting of the heads of state of nato, that they would need more of a focus on this hybrid warfare, the use of russian cyber warfare to interfere with several democracies within our alliance and that is the focus of nato and i think your bill and the inclusio