of what that would look like. -- get into the minutia of what that would look like. >> i agree. member melara: it would provide that task force with additional time in order to possibly have some decision making or some power over the hiring of the consultant or develop the work plan with a consultant. >> excellent. any others on the process? member melara: no. that would be the big piece. if we agree with having something with the consultants and how they're going to do their work, we definitely need to suggest a charter revision of some kind. >> the second paragraph speaks to something different. member melara: the one increasing the city department? that is different. that has to do with, i believe mr. pilpel wanted the task force to consider outreach to the city department to tell us, to give us information. some of the questions i had was that all of the departments to not have the information that we would use anywhere. what we need is a city departments that have been for mitch -- information about neighborhoods, and data, and the task at hand. not all departments have an

if you have never been to a delegate assembly, he cannot quite appreciate the noem -- level of minutia. anybody who wants to know the ins and aleouts can ask the president. >> all other reports, the events? commissioners. >> thank you. i would like to mention that on saturday, may 19 i attended the superintendent gascÓn pre-k-12 perfect attendance celebration in the boardroom. they had 70 awardees. it was a very nice family affair. we also had lunch for the families. thank you to the foundation for helping to organize that. i attended the graduation of trainings held by parents of our public school system. all chinese speakers. it was a five day series of training. every saturday for five weeks. they are now empowered it to be active participants in education. thank you. >> thank you. i wanted to acknowledge the 2011, 2012 teacher of the month award winners. we had 10 winners. i also wanted to thank the teachers' union for their support. all of the work they did to help support us. debra from the alternative school, mrs. rogers, jason thomas,laura from spring valley, marisa martinas, a

if you have never been to a delegate assembly, he cannot quite appreciate the noem -- level of minutia. anybody who wants to know the ins and alex

. >> i think he meant on the big point, not on the minutia, would you agree with that? >> i'll accept that. >> paragraph 12 of your witness statement, your second statement. you gave us a little thumb nail sketch of what it is, what the values are, bodies and altitude. you say it's a particular social class, etc. and then you say it's sometimes fair that the relationship between "the sun" and its readers reflects the national conversation, if you wanted to know what the nation was talking about, you would look at "the sun." we have a bit of a contrast here. some would say if you want to know what mr. murdoch is thinking, then you're saying you want to know what the nation is talking about. which is correct? >> the one in my witness statement. >> why do you say that? >> because i wrote it and i believe it. >> what do you mean by the nation here? >> well, i think if you accept that "the sun" for many, many years has been the biggest selling newspaper in the country and the saturday "sun" overtook "news of the world" i think about five years ago and maybe longer, actually,

whole thing was chaos-- but gradually and as if by magic the lovely ship, with all its exquisite minutiame into being and by lunchtime the drawing was taken down in triumph." (narrator) with europe at peace, turner was free to travel abroad-- sketching what he saw in notebooks and taking them back to london to use as a basis for his paintings. in 1819 he finally reached italy, the goal of artists throughout europe eager to learn from its history and beauty. it was turner's long held dream to visit the country he knew from claude's paintings. he depicted an idealized italian landscape and called it childe harold's pilgrimage, after lord byron's poem. in an attempt to lift the painting to the intellectual stature enjoyed by the romantic poets, turner included a fragment of byron's verse in the exhibition catalogue. (reader) "...and now, fair italy! thou art the garden of the world. even in thy desert what is like to thee? thy very weeds are beautiful, thy waste more rich than other climes' fertility: thy wreck a glory, and thy ruin graced with an immaculate charm which cannot be defaced."

and getting your mind around all this nuances and minutia, is as difficult as getting your arms around a giant sequoia. because california is leading the nation with this law, these rules could affect the lives of every one of us for decesoad come. and millions and billions of dollars are at stake. from the quiet forest in the high sierrsierra, to the smokes, around the bay. the tension of caring for the environment and providing for our economy, has come to a head. with some environmentalists crying foul. >> i think it's a tremendous missed opportunity. >> reporter: brian serves as the director for center for biological diversity. >> the program has loopholes and accommodations in it. >> reporter: companies that pollute will be able to mitigate up to 8% of what they put into the air by purchasing what's called carbon offset credits. >> it's a tough road to hoe. you get a ton of offset credit. >> reporter: stanley young served as communication director for the agency that will oversee this cap and trade law. >> we want to make sure every ton we get from an offset is as rigorous, strict

the minutia that occupied his attention boggles the mind. we know he saw these items because he has endorsements on documents. what kinds of documents? whether to send two pieces of artillery to the navy or defenses to charleston. whether a captain wanted to transfer to the mississippi valley should be given to him. he looked at these kinds of things. davis quite simply was his own secretary of war. he did have men, all but one quite able, in that position. he did not create errs of responsibility for them, nor did he delegate authority to them. he wished for their advice. he liked to atalk to them, and they recount lengthy conversations with him about military matters, but he made the decisions. although directives left, richmond sent them to secretary of war all the decisions were made by jefferson davis. running the war office or the high command, jefferson davis was definitely a micromanager. yet, yet he did not deal with his generals in the field in the same manner at all. yes, he aafforded the general officers that commanded his army,

it's one hundred forty percent but then they get into the minutiae of debating well what is tier one capital i mean a we have it here in a segregated account which we've just shown that we can rip up at any time so it's not really segregated accounts you can really call that tier one capital maybe a steer to capital or to your three capital maybe to t. era that jamie words to bed every night while he's licking you know the the entrails of his tape or in providing legal matter we don't know the exact details but what i can tell you is that the last time in history we've had such nonsense when you've got three or four cardinals sitting around discussing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin you talk about these bankers discussing what the rule collateral value parts are one capital is just your lawbreaking how about that go to jail. guys or try to go oh well privately you mentioned fraud and i really have mine here m.f. global implosion congressman grimm sends a message so this is from janet to have a calling in january will began work on a crisis plan called stress an aureole

whole thing was chaos-- but gradually and as if by magic the lovely ship, with all its exquisite minutiame into being and by lunchtime the drawing was taken down in triumph." (narrator) with europe at peace, turner was free to travel abroad-- sketching what he saw in notebooks and taking them back to london to use as a basis for his paintings. in 1819 he finally reached italy, the goal of artists throughout europe eager to learn from its history and beauty. it was turner's long held dream to visit the country he knew from claude's paintings. he depicted an idealized italian landscape and called it childe harold's pilgrimage, after lord byron's poem. in an attempt to lift the painting to the intellectual stature enjoyed by the romantic poets, turner included a fragment of byron's verse in the exhibition catalogue. (reader) "...and now, fair italy! thou art the garden of the world. even in thy desert what is like to thee? thy very weeds are beautiful, thy waste more rich than other climes' fertility: thy wreck a glory, and thy ruin graced with an immaculate charm which cannot be defaced."

we are going to convict a politician for things that they did in their personal lives based on the minutia of the laws the courts are going to be clogged up. well worth a discussion about the campaign finance. you heard jonathan serrie say we couldn't get answers from our own administration on it. >> kimberly: we have interesting news here, that is why you don't want to move. john edwards, getting information from the bureau he might be coming out soon, shortly to give a speech. comments about this pretty stunning verdict, in fact. in terms of the not guilty. eric? >> eric: a couple of thoughts. count three he was found not guilty on, receiving contributions from rachel bunny melon, but on count five, receiving contributions from rachel bunny melon. hung on that one. whacky jury. no consistency. on may 14, this guy edwards' former sec chairman says he testified that he believed that the money, contribution, payments were actually gifts. i mean does anyone go up to a politician and say here is a boatload of money, not that it has anything to do with your campaign or willingness or wantingne

>> well, i think, leslie has a good point, it is not about the minutiae of the numbers, it will be more organic, how we feel about the economy in general, the first tuesday in november and along those lines it will be mitt romney's jobs and every republican's job to have a strategy if the job numbers are actually, heaven forbid looking better and the way to approach that is to say we have enormous, crazy spending and obamacare, a dragon that must be slain and assaults on your liberties coming from this president, economically and socially, and, i want the job numbers to get better but i want governor mitt romney and, have the message they can use to win, nonetheless. >> in a move to win over female voters, the white house unveiled the julia campaign, show casing the fictional julia and how the president's policies helped women from the moment they are born, and call that for a moment, she's at three years old, for example, and, it says, because of the steps president obama has taken to improve programs like this, she joined thousands of students, across the country who will start kinder

voter will be very familiar with a lot of minutiae of massachusetts government. >> it is interesting, for example, in massachusetts funding for higher education fell $145 million. tanch student fees rose 63% during romney's time in office. that's according to the "boston globe" as well. tuition rosa's well and we heard the government say that the education system in this country is third world. many would downer, if you keep cutting out and adding to defense and wars, that people don't want to see fought in this country for a litany of reasons. how do you get out of that third world status if that is even a true statement? >> governor romney is not the first republican, for that matter, democrat to talk out of both sides of his mouth. to the point that you cannot have it both ways. at the end of the day what we know is that class sizes in the commonwealth of massachusetts have not shrunk. teachers' pay has not increased with inflation. and the cost of going to school in the commonwealth of massachusetts is higher. now is that the same for pretty much every other single state? yes, it

>> minutia is going to take care of it. [laughter] >> i think we have adapted a lot and you are right, i presume you are talking about the campaign for the post and pg bg framework, right? i think recalling what happened last time, it was a multiyear process and there were many voices and many forums in which this consensus was forced and i expect it's going to be the same this time. i think certainly from where the imf sits, we have come so far in terms of our views on transparency and consultation. i can still remember when i was a graduate student trying to get data from the imf in every document was sacred and not all up on the web. all of our consultations on the web. i think we have come quite a long way in terms of having the tools to absorb this. i think what will be different is there will be a lot more players. i think the last time the world did this 15 years ago or so, in the in the end actually you could get most of the players into this room and going forward what -- given what has happened with technology and

." >> i showed the minutia, like what happens when you have to pee and you're 7 1/2 months pregnant.? no. >> reporter: it's the real-life moments that make it popular and what sells. it's about success that is inspiring the next crop. snooki says she wants to launch a diaper line. nothing says responsible parents more than an episode of "jersey shore." diapers alone are a $75 million a year business. and these celebrities are diapering all the way to the bank. bethenny frankel is among "forbes" top-working moms. actress and ceo. that's mommywood. >> all right, juju. thank you very much. george? >> thank you, lara. >>> counting down to mother's day. just over a week. here with tory johnson for today's secret "deals and steals." and the great thing about this, tory, is everything we're going to show today, if you order today, it's going to get there for mother's day. >> you got it. first up, we have these really great canvases from red envelope. one for you, one for robin. what i love about these is they're high-quality. they're on a wood frame. and you can customize them. different gr

do they look like they're still engaged in this or are they caught up in all the minutia when you talk about some of the financial aspects of this trial? >> reporter: i think that they are engaged today, suzanne, for the simple reason that there's been five witnesses. so they've come and gone fairly quickly. after forger was a woman named aileen laws, who is bunny mellon's secretary. she often wrote out some of these checks, kept her daily correspondence and whatnot. then there was the testimony of the librarian. then we had bunny mellon's grandson take the stand, and he, too, talked about how excited his mother was to know john edwards and even after the race for president was over, she was excited that he might be the attorney general. now, i'll tell you, the librarian testimony was very important and countered the testimony from forger in this way. he said, i talked with bunny mellon almost every single day. she wanted to help the senator. she wanted to make him be the president. so, you know, it all sort of comes down to what was this money for? was it because she was a good old ga

we lawyers engage in high amounts minutia and thinking and strategizing. minute, did he try to hide this and cover it up? the answer is basically yes from everything i described earlier. did he do it just because of his wife or doing it in connection with the campaign? they keep things simple. that's why i think they have improved their case. jon: chip, jennifer palmieri, the former speechwriter was apparently in tears on the witness stand yesterday recounting a conversation she had with the late ex-wife, elizabeth edwards. that, that can't be good for his case, just all of the sympathy directed towards elizabeth? >> well, in front of jury obviously the sympathy part will not be in favor of john edwards. paying a mistress to keep quiet, everybody knows that is bad. prosecution has to prove that the john edwards violated the letter of the law. the letter of the law is very technical election standards and laws that very questionable they have been broken. does this qualify under the law, giving of quote, money to a mistress to keep her quiet as a campaign d

jon: i know it's tough wading through all the minutiae of that health care law, but this $2,000 fine employee if you don't have health insurance, what's to prevent congress from raising that and making it $10,000? >> well, they could. in fact, one of the bigger worries is if you put people on the exchanges, then what happens to the exchanges when the financing of the health care law starts to go the other way, starts to get much, much bigger than people thought? one of the worries is that you could have a reduction in benefits, that it would turn out to be something like medicaid where people have a hard time getting a doctor or finding people to treat them. jon? jon: good luck finding that doctor. >> reporter: yeah. jon: jim angle, thank you. >> reporter: you bet. jamie: right now, today, may day. occupy activists are gathering for rallies and demonstrations from coast to coast. those protests are aimed mainly at disrupting financial sectors, and already we are getting word of arrests. laura ingle live in manhattan's bryant park. how many people showing up there, laura? >> reporter:

. >> i think he meant on the big points, not the minutiae. >> okay, i'll accept that. >> paragraph 12 of your second statement. i'm always, now, on your second statement. you give us a little thumbnail sketch of what "the sun" is, what it represents, what its culture values are. embodied an attitude. then you say sometimes said that the relationship between "the sun" and its readers reflects the national conversation. if you wanted to know what the nation was talking about, you would look at "the sun." we have a bit of a contrast here. some would say if you want to know what mr. murdoch is thinking, look at "the sun," and you're saying if you want to know what the nation's thinking about, look at "the sun." which is correct? >> the one in my witness statement. >> why do you say that? >> because i believe it. >> what do you mean by "the nation" here? >> well, i think if you accept that "the sun" for many, many years has been the biggest-selling newspaper in the country and that, you know, the saturday sun overtook the "news of the world" i think, about five years ago and maybe longer,

they kept popping up and just very unique as we've been following the minutia of these day-to-day deliberations the public ever find out what was going on in those closed sessions? >> i think we will know because those question and answer periods were transcribed by court reporters because if there's a conviction in this case, that will be part of the appeal, whether the judge handled these questions regarding juror conduct properly. so that would be a matter of public record. i think we're going to get to see everything that went on. now, in terms of what went on in the jury room itself, well, that's really up to the jurors. they can consent to be interviewed by the press and they can reveal everything or they can maintain their privacy and refuse to answer questions. in my experience in high-profile cases in the past, most jurors certainly do agree to talk to the press, and eventually the truth comes out about what went on during jury deliberations. >> as we await this verdict, one thing that you hear corruption trial, it sounds kind of straightforward, but when you're dealing with campaign f

people are smart enough to ignore the minutia of politics for a longtime.ough the summer, go on vacations and ignore the politicians. on labor day if americans say i am not satisfied with the way things are going and the other guy seems plausible they will do it, they will toss out an incumbent president. if obama is down, if he has the right track number down in the 30s doesn't matter what people say now he's not going to be able to get the job done in the fall. megyn: th- that's interesting. as love as we like to talk about polls, you have to wait and see which ones matter. you like a little sneak peak no matter how inaccurate it turns out to be. thank you both. i don't know, what else do we have but the daily polls to tell us how the american people feel. they'll find some measure . turning now to the housing market where there has been some movement. mortgage rates just dropped to new record lows. can they go even lower? they are down to 3.75%. despite the drop home sales remain well below healthy levels, partly because many people don't have th the big

>> i would like six hours of minutia in all the businesses, particularly the ones that are driving thewithin the noninsurance side of berkshire, particularly burlington. it has been significant in changing the path of revenue growth and particularly the underlying profitability of the noninsurance subsidiaries. so anything and everything with burlington. and also there's an extra railroad kicker within marmin and lubrisol. >> the portfolio has changed drastically. for the better or the worse? in your opinion in. >> if you go back to the better profit and, pretext margins right around 8%, 8.5%. we think they may come in around 12% this year and that is the significance driver of that is certainly burlington. so it's changed meaningfully for the better. >> and in terms of just the announcement with prostate cancer, how do you think he'll handle that? >> i think we've heard quite a bit already. thank goodness it's just sustainistage one. and i imagine he may have a couple opening comments and then we move on. >> david, we want to thank you very much for your time. wael see y we'll see you