an interesting phrase used by one of your colleagues, bishop makarios of minya diocese, he said "we canourselves to be living through a wave of persecution." is this an era of outright, sustained persecution, in your view? i think we've lived a history of persecution throughout our presence in egypt. and it's intensified at various times. in our contemporary history, ever since the presence of the president, the former president, sadat, when islamists were given a slightly greater rein, and so they started to divide up the community in that way, christians became more visible and a bigger target for them. it is a fault line, isn't it? i'm looking at the analysis of experts in islamism in egypt, like naji sharab. he says the intent, here, is to make a separation between muslims and christians, and to start a outright religious conflict in egypt. that is what the so—called islamic state is about. can they succeed ? i don't think so. they — they haven't so far. so whether it was after the bombing in cairo, or these bombings, egypt is very different to the rest of the middle east. there — t