because miosha is preferred over osha in michigan by far in terms of that. but that was not good enough. that there was too much of a culture even out of lansing. most employers don't want to have someone show up and say, i'm from washington, i'm from lansing and i'm here to help. as a prakt couple, what we're trying to do now is create an environment where the goal of our people is to perform their fiduciary duty and to do that responsibly. not to punish them but to have them succeed. it's a training we're doing with our miosha and state employees, to empower them more. they feel they're a value added contributor and partnership with their employers and helping average businesses to succeed. the average person is an honest person. there are some bad people out there and we should really go after them. instead of trying to create barriers let's help them solve their problem. one program people might want to look at is something we did in michigan in the agriculture section. it's calmed maep, michigan agriculture environmental insurance program. it's to help

in recent days we've been hearing an uptick specifically coming from osha encouraging miosha to be more involved with citing and fining. if that's been noticed by you how are you continuing to focus the real partnership that a state regulator can be in helping employers and employees in making sure that while we have a safe workplace we have a workplace to come back to the second day. >> excellent question. what i would say is this is something that i found even at the state government, because miosha is preferred over osha in michigan by far in terms of that. but that was not good enough. there was too much of a culture, even out of lansing. most employers don't want someone to say i'm from washington or i'm here from lancing and i'm here to happen. what we're trying to do now is create an environment where the goal of our people is to perform their fiduciary duty and do that responsibly but not to punish people, it's to have people succeed. so the philosophy that we're doing training with all our work force people, all the miosha and all state employees is to empower them more, where